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11/10/2007 12:40:50 AM · #76 |
Personal opinion here: I'm against forcing anyone to do anything. We are supposed to be having fun here.
What would make it fun to vote? So far, I've seen: better entries, no e-mails regarding comments, and recognition for people who do spend time voting.
Any other ideas? |
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11/10/2007 12:44:28 AM · #77 |
| Most voters get DPC shirts and mugs for free... oh no, i forgot, there are NO shirts or mugs yet... daaaang. that would be cool though |
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11/10/2007 12:44:38 AM · #78 |
"Encouraging people to vote - ideas."
Tell them if they don't Giuliani could be the next president!
But seriously, you've got an interesting idea. |
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11/10/2007 01:21:40 AM · #79 |
| how about after every "x" number of comments made or vote cast or both the person making the comment or voting would have their best challenge shot displayed on the front page in a special corner until the next "x" vote/comment received, then that person's best shot takes the place of the previous one. |
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11/10/2007 01:23:45 AM · #80 |
Originally posted by briantammy:
how about after every "x" number of comments made or vote cast or both the person making the comment or voting would have their best challenge shot displayed on the front page in a special corner until the next "x" vote/comment received, then that person's best shot takes the place of the previous one. |
This is a really good OOB idea! |
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11/10/2007 02:39:05 AM · #81 |
Originally posted by briantammy:
how about after every "x" number of comments made or vote cast or both the person making the comment or voting would have their best challenge shot displayed on the front page in a special corner until the next "x" vote/comment received, then that person's best shot takes the place of the previous one. |
So that X would be a site benchmark right? For example, say the next 100th person to leave a vote or a comment in a challenge is awarded? I like your idea. Just don't show the counter otherwise people will just start doing what they did with the comments a while back when that was used to get entrance into a challenge.
Message edited by author 2007-11-10 02:39:36.
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11/10/2007 02:57:49 AM · #82 |
I don’t know if this has been suggested before so here goes.
How about introducing a “Profile Browse” feature under My Home. It would work like the “Browse Photos” feature under the Photo menu.
It would list up to 500 profiles per page (max. 1000) and you could browse by
1. Most Votes Cast
2. Most Comments given
3. Most Challenges voted
It would show the users profile picture and below, the username.
Then below that it would (based on which browse function the viewer chooses) show 1, 2, or 3 from above.
If users love to see their photos make it to the top of the page, they should want to see their profile make it to the top of the page. With thousands of users on the site this would be a great way to get seen. Others will click your profile and want to see your work or review your comments.
What do you think about this idea?
Message edited by author 2007-11-10 03:00:44. |
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11/10/2007 02:59:17 AM · #83 |
Originally posted by swhiddon:
What do you think about this idea? |
Good idea :-)
R.
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11/10/2007 04:51:03 AM · #84 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
My concern is that if people aren't voting, it's because they're not seeing voting as a fun, rewarding, or worthwhile use of their time. Perhaps the question that needs to be asked, is what can we do to make the voting process more fun, more rewarding, more worthwhile, or just plain easier? |
The obvious answer is also no doubt the hardest. Improve the overall quality of the images on display. |
How would you suggest that we go about that?
~Terry
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11/10/2007 08:30:46 AM · #85 |
Reminder on Forum Rule 13: "Assume good faith. When replying to a post, your reply must assume that the original poster's message was intended to be constructive and follow the rules. It's difficult to convey facial expressions or tone of voice over the forums, so a post that appears offensive may be well intentioned. If you cannot assume the original poster acted in good faith, report the post in question, and do not reply at all."
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11/10/2007 08:31:06 AM · #86 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Plus, there are folks who have a policy of not voting in challenges in which they have an entry. Free Studies have a lot of entries, so perhaps, more refrain from voting in those. |
I don't get that.
I vote EVERY challenge I enter, and probably overcompensate for my feelings of objectivity, but I like to see what I'm up against, and if one that I voted on beats me, and scored lower than what I voted it, I feel that I held up my end.
I just don't see any conflict as I couldn't be happier for someone to beat me because of my vote.
It's just the way I am......I should probably put that in the "Something Odd" thread! LOL!!!
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11/10/2007 08:45:18 AM · #87 |
NikonJeb, please check your PM in about 5 minutes, OK?
Back on topic, does anyone have additional ideas on how to encourage voting?
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11/10/2007 08:48:31 AM · #88 |
I had some other ideas, like I had during last two years... but then I remembered... I don't vote anymore :P
I only enter, so I wish you all good luck to find solution for this problem :)
FP |
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11/10/2007 08:50:30 AM · #89 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
How's about if you seriously look at, consider, comment and vote on lots of images, you get to become a better photographer with more insight in to what works for you and doesn't work for you.
Naw, that'd be a silly reward. Never mind me. |
I have found that by voting, I discover so much about what I like and don't like, and possibly how to arrive at that goal.
Would it be a good idea to have/start/resurrect a thread, and keep it bumped on voting suggestions, and have it inclusive of comment suggestions?
I'd certainly follow such a thread(s).
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11/10/2007 09:01:57 AM · #90 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
I suppose some sort of qualification might work. Or a lottery. |
The downside of that as someone who perpetually gets the bay leaf in the spaghetti sauce and the bone in the chicken corn soup is that I, or someone like me, would get really disgruntled after three challenges in a row that we liked and wanted to enter, we couldn't.
You'd lose people that way.
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11/10/2007 10:00:14 AM · #91 |
Hmmmmmm...why aren't more people voting?
I can only tell you why I have been slowly falling off the voting wagon, which is sad really because I too think voting is one of there very most important things a member could contribute to the site.
I have become bored with what I'm looking at. I sometimes find myself saying, "didn't I just see this?" I'm not talking about subject matter, I'm talking about the way it is being presented.
My main reason for voting is to find those far too few truly creative, interesting gems...images that move me....images that dazzle me. Apparently I am not easily dazzled. I am not talking about the "wow" factor...I am not the average general viewing public. I cannot live on eye candy alone.
Rewarding people for voting seems a bad idea, not everything needs to be a competition. Requiring votes I think would be disastrous as would be any other sort of "qualifier". I do have opinions on those who constantly use every other area of DPC, particularly entering challenges and forum activity yet never seem to get around to voting all that often, but shall keep said opinions to myself.
I really think Yanko and Routerguy666 kinda hit on something...the challenges themselves are not really all that inspiring, too "stock". I am not turned off by the amount of entries to vote on, it's the challenges themselves...too repetitive...too boring. I am tired of seeing the same images over and over again.
Oh, and give us more time to vote on the Free Studies.
Now that being said, I'm gonna go search for some of those gems now. |
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11/10/2007 10:18:21 AM · #92 |
Originally posted by RKT:
Hmmmmmm...why aren't more people voting? |
Just put my 2 cents in this... 1-too many entries 2-quility of the entries
that's all, and now we go back to our regular broadcast. |
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11/10/2007 10:38:36 AM · #93 |
I think it would help if there were a lot less threads started about how poorly people vote, especially threads started by people who rarely vote. I do not always agree with the voting but it is what it is and if there are people out there that can do a better job voting then they should vote, I think people get tired of voting and hearing how poorly they did the voting!
Thanks to all those who take the time to vote we have a great place to have some friendly competition and try to improve. |
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11/10/2007 10:47:46 AM · #94 |
It's not the number of entries, it's the quality. I'd gladly look at 500+ images that made me think or otherwise engaged me. Too many entries are just....well....bad. Sure they meet the challenge, but in a completely trite way, they don't go further to engage and challenge the viewer.
I have two suggestions:
1. Run it like a juried show. Anyone can submit, but a jury filters out the boring, bad and awful. Voters then vote on the rest. Assign a predetermined number of entries that will be voted on. Display both the number that will be voted on along with the number of entries. people wanting to enter will be forced to decide if they think their entry has a chance. Let the jury see the entries as they come in so they can sort the wheat from the chaff as the entries come in.
2. Have rankings, something that combines past scores, votes cast and maybe comments too. Have different challenges for different ranks. Let votes and comments on the lower ranks count more than votes and comments on the higher ranks. |
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11/10/2007 10:58:07 AM · #95 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
It's not the number of entries, it's the quality. I'd gladly look at 500+ images that made me think or otherwise engaged me. Too many entries are just....well....bad. Sure they meet the challenge, but in a completely trite way, they don't go further to engage and challenge the viewer.
I have two suggestions:
1. Run it like a juried show. Anyone can submit, but a jury filters out the boring, bad and awful. Voters then vote on the rest. Assign a predetermined number of entries that will be voted on. Display both the number that will be voted on along with the number of entries. people wanting to enter will be forced to decide if they think their entry has a chance. Let the jury see the entries as they come in so they can sort the wheat from the chaff as the entries come in.
2. Have rankings, something that combines past scores, votes cast and maybe comments too. Have different challenges for different ranks. Let votes and comments on the lower ranks count more than votes and comments on the higher ranks. |
Rankings to me would make it so people only look and vote for the higher ranking images which may be great for the better photogs but what about the rest of the participants? Without the voting and comments for people that are new and trying to learn you would be unintentionally hurting people who may be future stars to th esite, IMHO. |
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11/10/2007 10:58:57 AM · #96 |
I agree with KaDi, I only started using Firefox because I found out how easy it was to vote with firefox.
Ease of voting is a major concern. The easier it is and the quicker you can do it are both factors.
I mentioned this idea in another thread, but I see that people do not want to be FORCED to vote,... but how about a VOTE for VOTING. I am no statistician, but in Natural Light Portrait out of 424 entries the average number of votes were 242. This means that half the people who entered didn't vote... or something like that. So, I say if you enter a challenge, and you then vote 100% on that challenge, your photo gets a 10 vote from the website. That could be the few tenths that bring you over the edge from a 6.9 to a 7.0. I think it would definitely give people reason to vote in the challenge they are entering.
I also think that registered members should be able to vote in member challenges. I think the concern with this before was that people would register just to vote on their friends images, but with the new Big Brother system in place that makes sure people are not Friend Voting, then that should not be a concern. |
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11/10/2007 11:04:56 AM · #97 |
Originally posted by aerogurl:
I am no statistician, but in Natural Light Portrait out of 424 entries the average number of votes were 242. This means that half the people who entered didn't vote... or something like that. |
It doesn't mean that. We are only required to vote on 20% of entries for our votes to count. If EVERY entrant voted on 50% of the entries, then the numbers would be the same (disregarding votes from non-entrants, of course, which you didn't factor in either).
R.
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11/10/2007 11:08:58 AM · #98 |
Cross-posted from the Free Study discussion thread, here's some good background for this discussion, which is, BTW, a very needed discussion, IMO.
Message edited by author 2007-11-10 11:15:44. |
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11/10/2007 11:11:53 AM · #99 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
It's not the number of entries, it's the quality. I'd gladly look at 500+ images that made me think or otherwise engaged me. Too many entries are just....well....bad. Sure they meet the challenge, but in a completely trite way, they don't go further to engage and challenge the viewer.
I have two suggestions:
1. Run it like a juried show. Anyone can submit, but a jury filters out the boring, bad and awful. Voters then vote on the rest. Assign a predetermined number of entries that will be voted on. Display both the number that will be voted on along with the number of entries. people wanting to enter will be forced to decide if they think their entry has a chance. Let the jury see the entries as they come in so they can sort the wheat from the chaff as the entries come in.
2. Have rankings, something that combines past scores, votes cast and maybe comments too. Have different challenges for different ranks. Let votes and comments on the lower ranks count more than votes and comments on the higher ranks. |
Originally posted by PapaBob:
Rankings to me would make it so people only look and vote for the higher ranking images which may be great for the better photogs but what about the rest of the participants? Without the voting and comments for people that are new and trying to learn you would be unintentionally hurting people who may be future stars to th esite, IMHO. |
On that basis, I'd have never gotten into any challenges at first, would certainly not have been onliged to keep submitting stuff only to hear, "Nope, sorry, not good enough."......and I would pay money for that privilege why?
I have improved immensely since I signed on in August 2006, most of it since February 2007, which after six months or so of rejections, I doubt I would have still been interested in submitting.
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11/10/2007 11:16:55 AM · #100 |
Originally posted by PapaBob:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
It's not the number of entries, it's the quality. I'd gladly look at 500+ images that made me think or otherwise engaged me. Too many entries are just....well....bad. Sure they meet the challenge, but in a completely trite way, they don't go further to engage and challenge the viewer.
I have two suggestions:
1. Run it like a juried show. Anyone can submit, but a jury filters out the boring, bad and awful. Voters then vote on the rest. Assign a predetermined number of entries that will be voted on. Display both the number that will be voted on along with the number of entries. people wanting to enter will be forced to decide if they think their entry has a chance. Let the jury see the entries as they come in so they can sort the wheat from the chaff as the entries come in.
2. Have rankings, something that combines past scores, votes cast and maybe comments too. Have different challenges for different ranks. Let votes and comments on the lower ranks count more than votes and comments on the higher ranks. |
Rankings to me would make it so people only look and vote for the higher ranking images which may be great for the better photogs but what about the rest of the participants? Without the voting and comments for people that are new and trying to learn you would be unintentionally hurting people who may be future stars to th esite, IMHO. |
Not sure about tyhis one - I have wodered before whether it would be good to need to make the 'cut'.
I think for many beginners it would be an intitial challenge to try and get beyond the first cut - so it wouldn't simply be a negative thing, but on the other hand would people want to vote 1, 2, or even 3 times on the same picture ? I would suggest not.
If you had a first cut to half the numbers I suspect people would either vote on that first cut, or, the second - not both. So again you have issues with lack of voting.
Secondly it would still allow all sorts of pictures through and equally good ones would very often get lost. I find it fascinating seeing some of the pictures consigned to the lower and middle orders.
It would be good to find some sort of carrot though. I liked the idea of using ebay type coloured stars against a user to show their current (yearly) voting level, and having peoples stats and voting numbers searchable. Maybe you could have a challenge limited to those who have made more than 'x' comments in the last 6 months? At least there should be plenty of comments on those entries :- ) |
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