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10/24/2007 03:39:54 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
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Message edited by author 2007-10-24 15:40:03. |
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10/24/2007 03:44:13 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by Gordon:
At our cheapo state school, we could only afford the cheap stuff. So the heroin dealers only bothered to hang around the expensive schools where the rich kids wanted to take stupid risks and we got the lower grade drug dealers. |
Clearly an argument for a taxpayer funded program to redistribute the higher quality heroin to the lower economic class. *he says half joking, but wouldn't be surprised to see it become reality* |
Mostly the poorer kids beat up the richer kids and stole their drugs, then sold them back to other richer kids. Not really the invisible hand in action, more the visible hand I suppose.
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10/24/2007 04:34:16 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by Gordon:
At our cheapo state school, we could only afford the cheap stuff. So the heroin dealers only bothered to hang around the expensive schools where the rich kids wanted to take stupid risks and we got the lower grade drug dealers. |
Clearly an argument for a taxpayer funded program to redistribute the higher quality heroin to the lower economic class. *he says half joking, but wouldn't be surprised to see it become reality*
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2 words: Methadone Clinic |
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10/24/2007 05:18:50 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by Gordon:
At our cheapo state school, we could only afford the cheap stuff. So the heroin dealers only bothered to hang around the expensive schools where the rich kids wanted to take stupid risks and we got the lower grade drug dealers. |
Clearly an argument for a taxpayer funded program to redistribute the higher quality heroin to the lower economic class. *he says half joking, but wouldn't be surprised to see it become reality* |
Got 'em. |
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10/24/2007 05:40:53 PM · #55 |
Alfredo, thank you for the heads up.
I did not say YOU were stupid, I said YOU were obviously talented. I believe depicting a child shooting up in the middle of a classroom, as a concept for a pencil challenge, to be stupid. As harsh as that may sound, it is honestly what *I* think and I'll not make apology for it.
There's no context for me to be able to view this as anything other than drug use by an extremely under aged child. The image has me believing that in your society, young children are shooting up in the classroom, and NOT that this is role play as you have now explained. Either way, unnecessary and over the top for a pencil challenge, in *my* opinion.
You should also know your audience by now. My 8 year old son enjoys voting on the fun challenges. A lot of members have signed their children up here as well. While I have no-one to blame but myself for not scanning through all the entries first, in my defence I never would have expected to see such a serious issue brought up in a pencil challenge.
Please don't tell me how to be a parent. I've been doing it for 18 years. Don't come into my home unexpected and force (or "encourage") me to discuss drug use with my son at an inappropriate time in his life. When or IF I need to address the issue with my son, a DPC pencil challenge is the last place I would think to go to for supporting material.
Don't tell me I'm "ignoring" the issue, or "burying my head in the sand", or living in "candyland", just because I don't believe the entry was suitable for a pencil challenge. How some folk came to that conclusion, is astounding.
I'd like to ask you some things Alfredo: Do you feel better now that you've rubbed my nose in my own comment, along with anyone else who dared tell you exactly how they felt? Do you feel vindicated now that you've dragged us all out to be whipped in the center of town? |
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10/24/2007 05:46:43 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by rinac:
Don't come into my home unexpected and force (or "encourage") me to discuss drug use with my son at an inappropriate time in his life. |
Who did this? If you suggest he did it with his picture, because of assumptions you made regarding what this challenge should have been about, I suppose you've learned a lesson.
Originally posted by rinac:
I'd like to ask you some things Alfredo: Do you feel better now that you've rubbed my nose in my own comment, along with anyone else who dared tell you exactly how they felt? Do you feel vindicated now that you've dragged us all out to be whipped in the center of town? |
I suppose, like our photographs, we expose our comments to the community at large, for scrutiny, analysis, comment, and more. |
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10/24/2007 07:40:50 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by rinac:
There's no context for me to be able to view this as anything other than drug use by an extremely under aged child. The image has me believing that in your society, young children are shooting up in the classroom, and NOT that this is role play as you have now explained. Either way, unnecessary and over the top for a pencil challenge, in *my* opinion. |
That's right, it's your opinion, you're entitled to it. I certainly don't question it, what I do question is directing your ire at someone who obviously doesn't take such a narrow view.
Originally posted by rinac:
You should also know your audience by now. My 8 year old son enjoys voting on the fun challenges. A lot of members have signed their children up here as well. While I have no-one to blame but myself for not scanning through all the entries first, in my defence I never would have expected to see such a serious issue brought up in a pencil challenge. |
You said it. The fact that you failed to filter the content appearing on your computer is no else's fault but yours. There's no call for directing your disappointment in yourself at someone else.
Originally posted by rinac:
Please don't tell me how to be a parent. I've been doing it for 18 years. Don't come into my home unexpected and force (or "encourage") me to discuss drug use with my son at an inappropriate time in his life. When or IF I need to address the issue with my son, a DPC pencil challenge is the last place I would think to go to for supporting material. |
No one forced or even tried to force you to do anything. As you have already admitted, it was your own fault that an image you object to was displayed on your computer. Stop trying to blame others for it.
Originally posted by rinac:
Don't tell me I'm "ignoring" the issue, or "burying my head in the sand", or living in "candyland", just because I don't believe the entry was suitable for a pencil challenge. How some folk came to that conclusion, is astounding. |
Again, your opinion. Others differ, obviously, but neither is more "right" than the other.
Originally posted by rinac:
I'd like to ask you some things Alfredo: Do you feel better now that you've rubbed my nose in my own comment, along with anyone else who dared tell you exactly how they felt? Do you feel vindicated now that you've dragged us all out to be whipped in the center of town? |
If you don't want your opinion, as you expressed it, discussed on the site, perhaps it's just better that you keep them to yourself. |
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10/24/2007 07:43:20 PM · #58 |
| And people wonder why comments are hard to come by. |
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10/24/2007 08:04:28 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by L2:
And people wonder why comments are hard to come by. |
What do you mean? |
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10/24/2007 08:35:41 PM · #60 |
This is a strange thread. So the photo was pulled by the photographer? Why was it an issue that people were leaving their honest opinions on your photo? I thought you of all people would welcome freedom of expression much in the way you used it with your entry.
Frankly, I didn't find much to get upset about. Most seem to say it was disturbing but who cares? It's just how the photo makes them feel. I think I did see one that questioned your motives but I think that should have been cleared up by now with the inclusion of your photographer comments. At best what I found a little disturbing was those that mentioned how could you expose a child to such activity. As if putting blinders on helps teach kids to not do drugs. Regardless, it's just an opinion.
FWIW, I find nothing wrong with your entry. As spazmo said earlier, merely showing a subject doesn't suggest endorsement let alone promotion of said subject and the title doesn't suggest it either rather the opposite. The photo has the right to exist just as those who are disturbed by it (rightly or wrongly) have the right to express such.
Message edited by author 2007-10-24 20:37:03.
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10/24/2007 09:50:04 PM · #61 |
| When the pencil challenge first came up I thought "Doesn't seem very exciting." Boy, was I wrong! |
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10/24/2007 10:00:03 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by rox_rox:
When the pencil challenge first came up I thought "Doesn't seem very exciting." Boy, was I wrong! |
The last one was frankly worse...
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10/24/2007 10:31:24 PM · #63 |
One thing I don't understand, why did you have it removed because of the comments, but then reposted it with all the exact comments intact? It doesn't make sense.
Also, the comments didn't seem bad, I don't understand. They mention it is disturbing, but kids doing drugs is disturbing, that's why those posters are made. Without the shock effect, it's just not the same.
I guess I am just confused by this whole thread. |
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10/24/2007 11:09:53 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by rinac:
Alfredo, thank you for the heads up.
I did not say YOU were stupid, I said YOU were obviously talented. I believe depicting a child shooting up in the middle of a classroom, as a concept for a pencil challenge, to be stupid. As harsh as that may sound, it is honestly what *I* think and I'll not make apology for it.
There's no context for me to be able to view this as anything other than drug use by an extremely under aged child. The image has me believing that in your society, young children are shooting up in the classroom, and NOT that this is role play as you have now explained. Either way, unnecessary and over the top for a pencil challenge, in *my* opinion.
You should also know your audience by now. My 8 year old son enjoys voting on the fun challenges. A lot of members have signed their children up here as well. While I have no-one to blame but myself for not scanning through all the entries first, in my defence I never would have expected to see such a serious issue brought up in a pencil challenge.
Please don't tell me how to be a parent. I've been doing it for 18 years. Don't come into my home unexpected and force (or "encourage") me to discuss drug use with my son at an inappropriate time in his life. When or IF I need to address the issue with my son, a DPC pencil challenge is the last place I would think to go to for supporting material.
Don't tell me I'm "ignoring" the issue, or "burying my head in the sand", or living in "candyland", just because I don't believe the entry was suitable for a pencil challenge. How some folk came to that conclusion, is astounding.
I'd like to ask you some things Alfredo: Do you feel better now that you've rubbed my nose in my own comment, along with anyone else who dared tell you exactly how they felt? Do you feel vindicated now that you've dragged us all out to be whipped in the center of town? |
its not just a "pencil challenge" its a challenge to use a pencil as a substitute for another object creativly. I guess you can say to make a pencil not a pencil.
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10/24/2007 11:17:14 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by L2:
And people wonder why comments are hard to come by. |
No kidding! :/ |
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10/24/2007 11:27:50 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by yanko:
This is a strange thread. So the photo was pulled by the photographer? Why was it an issue that people were leaving their honest opinions on your photo? I thought you of all people would welcome freedom of expression much in the way you used it with your entry.
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if someone remembers, i always say that people say that they want honest opinion, but all they want is praise and praise and more of it. Anybody expressing opinion against is the one who just did not get it, or just too rude.
Its all part of our DPC life.
I shall shut my mouth now. Enough of honest opinion. |
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10/24/2007 11:47:19 PM · #67 |
| Looks like it's a wakeup call for some people, kids on meth aren't a pretty sight, this image is pretty innocent compared. Thank you for doing more than just taking a picture Alfredo. |
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10/25/2007 12:08:28 AM · #68 |
Originally posted by yanko:
This is a strange thread. So the photo was pulled by the photographer? Why was it an issue that people were leaving their honest opinions on your photo? I thought you of all people would welcome freedom of expression much in the way you used it with your entry.
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This is quite possibly the best post I've seen in this thread. |
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10/25/2007 12:11:23 AM · #69 |
Originally posted by L2:
Originally posted by yanko:
This is a strange thread. So the photo was pulled by the photographer? Why was it an issue that people were leaving their honest opinions on your photo? I thought you of all people would welcome freedom of expression much in the way you used it with your entry.
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This is quite possibly the best post I've seen in this thread. |
qft
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10/25/2007 12:13:38 AM · #70 |
Since the comments that were cut and pasted from Alfredo's entry have received quite a bit of attention here, and this change will probably get some attention, I thought it would be appropriate to post this here. I've emailed Alfredo directly as well.
Normally, when users make comments, they retain ownership of those comments, and have the ability to use the "edit post" button to edit or even delete those comments if they so choose.
By reposting the comments from the self-DQ'd image himself, the authors have effectively lost the ability to edit or delete their own comments. Especially in light of the attention those comments have received as a result of this discussion thread, we feel that this is is problematic, and therefore must remove those comments.
~Terry
On behalf of Site Council
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10/25/2007 12:24:05 AM · #71 |
Let me make this a little easier, using my own (admittedly horrid image):
Consider these two imaginary comments:
"What kind of dumbass would post this stuff? Don't you know that you're just encouraging people to commit adultery, and this trash is the cause of societies downfalls? Disgusting!"
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"Without the title, this image doesn't convey the subject of the challenge. Flat lighting, poor contrast, and an unattractive crop don't help. Consider reading & practicing basic photography skills - your shots will quickly improve!"
BOTH of these are blunt and informative, but only one is constructive. Neither has a single thing to do with 'skittles & rainbows', but at least one CAN help someone's photographic skills.
Look, I had to get a thick skin to accept critiques on my (CRAP!) above; but there is no need for anyone to put up with PERSONAL attacks on the photographer (or the model, or the subject, etc.)
Thanks for readin my .02 dollars
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10/25/2007 12:27:34 AM · #72 |
Originally posted by rossbilly:
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there is no need for anyone to put up with PERSONAL attacks on the photographer (or the model, or the subject, etc.)
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While this is true, it is not applicable here. |
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10/25/2007 12:30:08 AM · #73 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Since the comments that were cut and pasted from Alfredo's entry have received quite a bit of attention here, and this change will probably get some attention, I thought it would be appropriate to post this here. I've emailed Alfredo directly as well.
Normally, when users make comments, they retain ownership of those comments, and have the ability to use the "edit post" button to edit or even delete those comments if they so choose.
By reposting the comments from the self-DQ'd image himself, the authors have effectively lost the ability to edit or delete their own comments. Especially in light of the attention those comments have received as a result of this discussion thread, we feel that this is is problematic, and therefore must remove those comments.
~Terry
On behalf of Site Council |
Why not leave the quotes in place (so that we can see WHAT the fuss is about), but remove the NAMES in that post? Kinda hard to for the man to defend his position if he can't present the evidence...
~Billy
On behalf of me, and NOT aimed @ anyone in particular ;)
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10/25/2007 12:33:27 AM · #74 |
Originally posted by L2:
Originally posted by rossbilly:
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there is no need for anyone to put up with PERSONAL attacks on the photographer (or the model, or the subject, etc.)
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While this is true, it is not applicable here. |
Calling someone's work "stupid" isn't personal???
(Laurie - please do not take my questions as hostile or impolite. I'm sincerely asking because Alfredo quite obviously felt offended, and others apparently felt his response was justified)
Respectfully...
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10/25/2007 12:36:41 AM · #75 |
| I only saw where someone called a concept stupid, not a person. :) In fact, the execution of said concept was praised. |
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