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09/08/2003 05:54:53 PM · #26 |
in·sect ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nskt)
n.
Any of numerous usually small arthropod animals of the class Insecta, having an adult stage characterized by three pairs of legs and a body segmented into head, thorax, and abdomen and usually having two pairs of wings. Insects include the flies, crickets, mosquitoes, beetles, butterflies, and bees.
Any of various similar arthropod animals, such as spiders, centipedes, or ticks. See Regional Note at lightning bug.
Dictionary.reference.com
This is from Virginia tech:
Virtual insects |
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09/08/2003 05:56:41 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by kostia:
I wasn't saying Merriam-Webster said anything different. I just think it's a better site than dictionary.com, overall.
Like I said in the first spiders v. insects post, Merriam-Webster is a descriptive dictionary, meaning it defines words the way the populace uses them, not the way they should be used. This sort of discussion demands a prescriptive dictionary, one aimed at teaching the populace how to use words correctly. That's the sort of dictionary American Heritage is.
"Insect" has a colloquial/popular meaning separate from its proper scientific meaning. Like I said, I'm voting on that meaning. I'm not voting things down because they're spiders. |
You assume this is a science quiz, rather than a photography challenge though. If the general population consider spiders to be generally insects, then it isn't exactly throwing the challenge out of the window, to consider the spiders are on topic.
But if you believe it is a science challenge rather than an interpretive, artistic challenge, then I can see why you would feel the need to vote down things that are not 100% literally correct. I guess that's where I differ in my view of what this is all about.
What I don't get is why you gave merriam webster as an example of what is better in general, then choose to completely ignore how it defines the word.
Message edited by author 2003-09-08 17:57:58. |
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09/08/2003 06:05:55 PM · #28 |
| Gordon, she said twice that she didn't vote spiders down. She was just making an observation about dictionary web sites and dictionaries in general. |
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09/08/2003 06:13:41 PM · #29 |
Not wanting to stir the pot! But I note that some pictures are pure interpretive with not a real insect arthropod or arachnid in sight - wonder what sort of votes they are getting?
If the invertabrate is non-aquatic and is generally called "bug" then surely for this photographers challenge anything insect like is legitimate.
Personally all I am eager to see is what, if any, votes I get and whether like some of my voting some members left constructive comments for me to learn from.
:~)
PS I saw a ref up the thread to "knowing" that they had low average score - how can you tell this about your own entry during the voting? |
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09/08/2003 06:23:04 PM · #30 |
I won't get into the discussion on this one, but I did want to respond to visitor to go to My Home -> Preferences and make sure the 'My Scores' checkbox is selected. After you have selected that, you should see a little box with the title of your submission, the number of votes, average score, and a hyperlinked number of comments in the top left corner of your home page. Hope that helps :)
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09/08/2003 06:26:21 PM · #31 |
I know I have a low average score because I know my current score and my average. and actually it's a bit above average because in the first few challenges I really screwed up my resizing, ect. I'm happy with my photo and really would like to have it judged in catagory. Btw there are some truely fantastic shots here. I didn't expect to enter at all since I have no macro. But, well, there he was I had to shoot.
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09/08/2003 06:27:04 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
...If the general population consider spiders to be generally insects, then ... |
it's a demonstration of the increasingly poor performance of students everywhere --- ideally, we want our children to be people who are able to make fine distinctions between the many small animals that live amongst us (or if not able, at least capable) --- more and more, they are people who just see a lot of little bugs, the concept of classifications foreign to them (or "beneath" them) --- hopefully they won't be the people who have the bugs living on their scalp
Message edited by author 2003-09-08 19:18:20.
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09/08/2003 06:28:59 PM · #33 |
Right spiderman. give our schools a one and my photgraph the score it deserves!
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09/08/2003 06:35:36 PM · #34 |
Hi Franziska
Thanks for the pointer. Found the top left hand corner of my profile.
What is odd though is that shows my voting average but says I have not entered a challenge and does not show any votes or comments about my entry. But it is there!
Why does it show like that? Does the challengs have to finish before you get to see what is going on. But surely not as you have commented that you can see your "scores".
Puzzled! |
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09/08/2003 06:37:07 PM · #35 |
Your profile only shows updates after challenges have ended, and after it is updated on Tuesdays. Go check your Homepage instead.
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09/08/2003 06:38:34 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by ScottK:
Gordon, she said twice that she didn't vote spiders down. She was just making an observation about dictionary web sites and dictionaries in general. |
/me goes off to learn how to read.
Sorry about that. I guess we are in violent agreement then!
Message edited by author 2003-09-08 18:41:02. |
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09/08/2003 06:54:24 PM · #37 |
Franziska
Thanks again > see PM
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09/08/2003 07:07:20 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
You assume this is a science quiz, rather than a photography challenge though. If the general population consider spiders to be generally insects, then it isn't exactly throwing the challenge out of the window, to consider the spiders are on topic.
But if you believe it is a science challenge rather than an interpretive, artistic challenge, then I can see why you would feel the need to vote down things that are not 100% literally correct. I guess that's where I differ in my view of what this is all about.
What I don't get is why you gave merriam webster as an example of what is better in general, then choose to completely ignore how it defines the word. |
Okay, let me clarify what I think, since your assumption of what I assume is mistaken. I dislike dictionary.com, and in my professional capacity as an editor, especially online, I try to steer people to m-w.com instead.
I'm not penalizing people for taking pictures of spiders. I never said I would vote spider pictures lower for not being insects. I said the exact opposite.
I'm not arguing the merits of the challenge or its entries. I'm only arguing the merits of dictionaries.
I saw a conversation that was about WORDS, my favorite thing in the world, and I jumped in. It was obviously still a conversation about pictures, and somehow I managed to offend. I'm better with words than pictures, Repetition notwithstanding.
I'm a copyeditor for money and a photographer for fun. I let the money talk instead of the fun. That's what comes from signing onto DPC from work instead of home.
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09/08/2003 07:48:24 PM · #39 |
| Part of the fun of DPChallenge is the challenge to research the challenge for the week and trying to out do everyone else. As a biologist, I have to stand in the sand, alone I guess, but so be it. When I teach my children about life, creatures, math, etc.. They will be taught the truth, we home school. My kids will know a spider from a daddy-longlegs (their not spiders either). By the way, my out of the box shot, an insect, is doing no good either. So, I keep learning. A ribbon someday, maybe? maybe not. But I'm having fun. Van |
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09/08/2003 08:20:11 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by vtruan:
Part of the fun of DPChallenge is the challenge to research the challenge for the week and trying to out do everyone else. |
right! for as much as people say on the boards here that they want to learn, a lot of them seem to have no interest in learning if it (1) inconveniences them or (2) affects their score adversely
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09/08/2003 11:44:40 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by vtruan:
Part of the fun of DPChallenge is the challenge to research the challenge for the week and trying to out do everyone else. As a biologist, I have to stand in the sand, alone I guess, but so be it.... |
Nicely said. I am a biologist too, and I can empathize completely. Scientific misnomers like this needs to be pointed out, or this inaccuracy just gets propagated to no end.
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09/09/2003 04:24:33 AM · #42 |
Except that we aren't restricted to using the scientific definition as far as I know and as many others have pointed out the dictionary allows spiders in the common usage of the term.
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09/09/2003 08:27:50 AM · #43 |
Originally posted by ttreit:
Except that we aren't restricted to using the scientific definition as far as I know |
true, but had the challenge been meant to be ambiguous, it might have said BUGS instead of INSECTS
Originally posted by ttreit:
as many others have pointed out the dictionary allows spiders in the common usage of the term. |
yeah, the dictionary people do that, don't they? as more stupid people use a word incorrectly, the dictionary adds "common usage" notations to keep up with them, essentially validating the incorrect usage - very sad
Message edited by author 2003-09-09 08:32:42.
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09/09/2003 09:30:11 AM · #44 |
| Who would argue with a "spiderman" about spiders! |
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09/09/2003 09:57:35 AM · #45 |
This is really a waste of time!
I joined this site in July and I can not believe the childish arguments that go on over the challenges! This is truly an embarrasement to DPChallenge.com.
Maybe it is time to look for a better photography site where actual learning and exchange of thoughts is going on? I can't believe I'am actually paying for this!
Does Drew have to post a legal description for every challenge to put and end to this crap?
Move on!
Just my $0.02 worth.
Calvus
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09/09/2003 10:21:41 AM · #46 |
no one is forcing anyone to read the forums, calvus :)
just a thought..
Originally posted by Calvus:
This is really a waste of time!
I joined this site in July and I can not believe the childish arguments that go on over the challenges! This is truly an embarrasement to DPChallenge.com.
Maybe it is time to look for a better photography site where actual learning and exchange of thoughts is going on? I can't believe I'am actually paying for this!
Does Drew have to post a legal description for every challenge to put and end to this crap?
Move on!
Just my $0.02 worth.
Calvus |
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09/09/2003 10:36:52 AM · #47 |
I understand that more than you think.
But the thread title does not always give it away.
It is just a simple fact that with all the challenges some members are wasting to much time with this type of thread. They should be starting or participating in more enjoyable threads or helping someone out maybe.
JMHO
Calvus
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09/09/2003 10:54:21 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by Calvus:
I understand that more than you think....
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With all due respect, then, stop being a thread nazi. What's not important to you, may not necessarily be trivial to some of us. My 2 pesos. Mike
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09/09/2003 11:07:54 AM · #49 |
| As my husband says, "if you don't like, don't look at it". |
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09/09/2003 11:31:35 AM · #50 |
| There's one person who can solve this: Little Miss Muffet. |
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