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 09/16/2007 10:58:42 PM · #51
When you can't get everyone to agree, there is obviously something wrong with the rule....or the interpreter.
 09/16/2007 10:59:10 PM · #52
Phew....at least you are just 'windy' and not 'stinky'!!!!!!

Oops..off track a bit...I will bow out now. Sorry folks!!

Message edited by author 2007-09-16 22:59:39.
 09/16/2007 10:59:12 PM · #53
feel a who?
 09/16/2007 11:02:34 PM · #54
Originally posted by ursula:
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by ursula:
First thing tomorrow I'm asking for a pay raise.


I say, we vote ourselves a 100% raise! Oh, wait...


And if we don't get it, I'll filibuster.


Ya really should be getting something especially with what this site pulls in each year. Do you at least get your membership fees waved?

Message edited by author 2007-09-16 23:02:49.
 09/16/2007 11:04:23 PM · #55
Originally posted by David Ey:
When you can't get everyone to agree, there is obviously something wrong with the rule....or the interpreter.


Tell that to the Supreme Court.
Really, David, how many times would you expect over a dozen people to all have exactly the same interpretations of the rules?
09/16/2007 11:04:56 PM · #56
Originally posted by yanko:
Do you at least get your membership fees waved?


yes, we do.
 09/16/2007 11:05:20 PM · #57
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by ursula:
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by ursula:
First thing tomorrow I'm asking for a pay raise.


I say, we vote ourselves a 100% raise! Oh, wait...


And if we don't get it, I'll filibuster.


Ya really should be getting something especially with what this site pulls in each year. Do you at least get your membership fees waved?


Yes, we do, for life I understand. For some of us that's less of a benefit than for Konador for example. It's a nice benefit :)
 09/16/2007 11:23:07 PM · #58

I've waded through this long thread as it went back and forth and I'm still waiting for the popcorn. We always get popcorn on a long thread like this. So who dropped the ball?

Mike

;)


09/16/2007 11:26:59 PM · #59
DQ'ed:


for an "invented" texture:
Originally posted by AlanFreed:
The original DQ'd shot had a white background; the texture was completely invented. That's why it was disqualified, and the other one was not. New features were added to the DQ'd shot.


Not DQ'ed:

But there was no texture in the walls in the original:


So the first was DQd for an invented texture, but the second one wasn't.

Please answer this very specific question.

Thanks!

Message edited by author 2007-09-16 23:53:35.
 09/17/2007 08:35:33 AM · #60
Bump.
 09/17/2007 09:24:36 AM · #61
I would like to know about that photo (and many others in the Imp. challenge) for the same reasons (as I commented above).

There were quite a few entries I feel should have placed higher due to the effort to 'recreate' the impressionism 'look' WITHOUT the help of filters or post processing as the second place shot did.

Message edited by author 2007-09-17 09:26:06.
 09/17/2007 10:07:07 AM · #62
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by David Ey:
When you can't get everyone to agree, there is obviously something wrong with the rule....or the interpreter.


Tell that to the Supreme Court.
Really, David, how many times would you expect over a dozen people to all have exactly the same interpretations of the rules?


Then how in hell do you expect hundreds of entrants to understand the rules. Looks like there is no way to resolve this problem with the rules the way they are. Every added rule does nothing but add to the problem.
 09/17/2007 10:16:35 AM · #63
Originally posted by nshapiro:
Originally posted by KarenNfld:
DQ'ed under the "no clip art allowed" rule:


Not DQ'ed although clip art was used:


SC, I know I brought this example up to you earlier and you gave an explanation of why it was allowed, but I don't agree with that explanation. I think if the rule says "no cip art allowed", then the rule should be either enforced or done away with. No clip art should mean no clip art, regardless of the size or where on the photo/border it is placed.


The DQ notices used are often boilerplate; they are used as a convenience to SC members. So "broader" conditions than a photo violates is often included. The mention of clipart is not the relevant part of the DQ. The DQ'd image was an ADVANCED challenge. Graphics/Artwork was added to this image and is a significant part. That breaks advanced editing rules (the text is ok due to special rules.)


Ahh..my sweet puppy Daisy...

I was sorry to get DQ-ed, but I did understand. However I do agree that clipart is clipart. no matter how much is used.
this btw, was just a brush setting in PS not real clipart. So if you're allowed in advanced to burn, dodge, add vignetting (maybe with a brush) etc. then this type of brush should've been allowed.

because it's just a brush shaped like a flower :)
 09/17/2007 10:38:39 AM · #64
Originally posted by David Ey:
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by David Ey:
When you can't get everyone to agree, there is obviously something wrong with the rule....or the interpreter.


Tell that to the Supreme Court.
Really, David, how many times would you expect over a dozen people to all have exactly the same interpretations of the rules?


Then how in hell do you expect hundreds of entrants to understand the rules. Looks like there is no way to resolve this problem with the rules the way they are. Every added rule does nothing but add to the problem.


The line between "DQ" and "no DQ" is quite fuzzy. Any entry that is anywhere close to that line, may or may not get DQ'ed depending on the outcome of a vote by the SC. The merits of the image aside, the outcome of that vote is a reflection of the subjective opinion of the SC members, and that, in turn, is subject to their whim, mood, digestive problems, the weather, political affiliation and any number of other seemingly random factors. Good luck.
 09/17/2007 10:40:13 AM · #65
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
The line between "DQ" and "no DQ" is quite fuzzy. Any entry that is anywhere close to that line, may or may not get DQ'ed depending on the outcome of a vote by the SC. The merits of the image aside, the outcome of that vote is a reflection of the subjective opinion of the SC members, and that, in turn, is subject to their whim, mood, digestive problems, the weather, political affiliation and any number of other seemingly random factors. Good luck.


We are all just lucky that bagels tend to help calm the digestive problems. That's why there are fewer DQs on challenges that end over the weekend. I checked. It's true.
 09/17/2007 10:40:38 AM · #66
Originally posted by David Ey:
When you can't get everyone to agree, there is obviously something wrong with the rule....or the interpreter.


I don't want to get to dramatic but if you were wrongly accused of a crime would you want to be pronounced guilty because 1 juror didn't agree with the others?
 09/17/2007 10:55:25 AM · #67
The next time Langdon puts out a call for SC volunteers it appears he will have a long line of potential candidates.

I mean what better way to make changes/improvements than to put yourself in there - right?
 09/17/2007 11:33:35 AM · #68
Originally posted by smardaz:
Originally posted by David Ey:
When you can't get everyone to agree, there is obviously something wrong with the rule....or the interpreter.


I don't want to get to dramatic but if you were wrongly accused of a crime would you want to be pronounced guilty because 1 juror didn't agree with the others?


I think this is getting dramatic. A DQ isn't a matter of life or death, where a guilty verdict in court CAN be, at least in some countries.
Personally, I'd rather see the possible odd "wrongful DQ" than a bunch of validated entries that 99.999% of the membership feels are invalid but that ONE person thought was okay. That's one reason for having a panel decision rather than one omnipotent judge.
 09/17/2007 11:38:12 AM · #69
If all it took was one vote to stop a DQ, then I could be easily paid off for reasonable sums of money. Fearing a DQ? Contact me and we can arrange something! (Paypal only, please.)

09/17/2007 11:41:33 AM · #70
I have a feeling that this thread might get really good.
 09/17/2007 11:48:36 AM · #71
Originally posted by David Ey:
When you can't get everyone to agree, there is obviously something wrong with the rule....or the interpreter.


We're not the borg. We're not sheep. We have opinions that can not POSSIBLY agree with everyone else's.
Gun laws. Abortion laws. Seatbelt laws. Assisted death laws. Gay marriage laws. Age of consent laws. Etc., etc., etc. ad nauseum.

Maybe everyone would be happier if DPC said, "screw rules, do whatever you want?"
 09/17/2007 12:15:33 PM · #72
Originally posted by BeeCee:

We're not the borg. We're not sheep.


So were the Borg not able to assimilate Sheep ?

or are sheep a type of rural Borg ? it would certainly explain why you see so many of them together - and they're rubbish at taking individual decisions . . they assimilate you into a collective unconsciousness . . .
 09/17/2007 12:26:24 PM · #73
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Originally posted by David Ey:
When you can't get everyone to agree, there is obviously something wrong with the rule....or the interpreter.


We're not the borg. We're not sheep. We have opinions that can not POSSIBLY agree with everyone else's.
Gun laws. Abortion laws. Seatbelt laws. Assisted death laws. Gay marriage laws. Age of consent laws. Etc., etc., etc. ad nauseum.

Maybe everyone would be happier if DPC said, "screw rules, do whatever you want?"


No, but I, and obviously many others, would appreciate some transparency behind the reasoning in applying those rules.

Regarding the laws you cite, while not everyone will agree on the law itself, the application and interpretation of those laws is quite transparent. It's possible to read arguments from both sides, the opinions of the judges and of course, the judgements. A very high level of detail is accessible to anyone interested.

Here on DPC, the only thing that's obvious is the decision. It's a very closed and inaccessible process for the site population.
 09/17/2007 12:36:25 PM · #74
There should only be one rule: "Be excellent to each other."
 09/17/2007 12:37:53 PM · #75
Originally posted by posthumous:
There should only be one rule: "Be excellent to each other."


Nice one Rufus!
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