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09/07/2007 12:00:47 PM · #101 |
| Those considering to self DQ, don't do it yet. It's still too early in the game. With these kinds of challenges, wait another day at least. Give people time to bump up the scores. Of all my shots (2 or 3) that had a sub 5 score at some time in the voting phase, all ended up above 5.5 and even 6. |
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09/07/2007 12:28:11 PM · #102 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
Finally, I'm as baffled about the definition as anyone. Liberty, I saw the same Wikipedia article that talks about "open composition" and "changing light" and for the life of me, I have no clue what either one means. You quoted it, so can you explain it (he asked hopefully)? |
The Wikipedia article, of course, is referring to the school of PAINTING called "impressionism"; the quote, in context, comes from this sentence:
"Characteristics of Impressionist painting include visible brushstrokes, open composition, emphasis on light in its changing qualities (often accentuating the effects of the passage of time), ordinary subject matter, the inclusion of movement as a crucial element of human perception and experience, and unusual visual angles.
Notice that it refers to the "changing qualities" of light, not "changing light", two different things. But nevertheless....
"Open Composition" refers to a characteristic of impressionist painting that was directly opposed to traditional painting of the time; classic art always featured rigidly controlled compositions with the eye being drawn inward to a specific focal point, object, subject, whatever. Impressionists turned that on its ear, and opened their compositions up so they seemed more to be snatches of a larger composition, rather than complete in themselves. In most impressionist painting, there's a whole world outside the frame that is alluded to visually.
"Changing Qualities of light" again is a reaction to classic painterly habits of the time, where the light was always highly directional and used to model the subject/s as precisely as possible. In impressionism, they tended to focus more on relatively ethereal light, be it actual "fields of light" or the sense of darkness that emanates from Van Gogh's work. They rarely used light to model their subjects. They used a lot of backlighting and translucence.
But of course all this refers to a school of painting, and in photography we have "photo-impressionism, which is a completely different thing. And much harder to nail down, I might add :-)
R.
BTW, my entry started in the high 7's after the first night and has plummeted to the mid 5's...
Message edited by author 2007-09-07 12:29:06.
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09/07/2007 12:52:01 PM · #103 |
Originally posted by routerguy666:
Look at a good chunk of Van Gogh's work - it's about the lack of light, the darkness, the despair. It's not all pastel colors and soft light. |
Definitely.
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09/07/2007 03:32:52 PM · #104 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
The Wikipedia article ... |
Thanks so much, Bear! Learning about how impressionism contrasted with earlier painting schools helps a lot. Can you suggest any specific examples to illustrate the specific contrasts of fixed vs. changing light and open vs. closed composition?
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09/07/2007 04:47:08 PM · #105 |
Votes: 64
Views: 94
Avg Vote: 4.2188
Comments: 0
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
I do wish people would comment. I didn't think this would be to everyone's taste, but a comment or two would be nice - especially for low votes.
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09/07/2007 04:49:45 PM · #106 |
OPEN COMPOSITION: gives an impression of not finished, looks like it can be extended out of the edges of a painting.
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09/07/2007 05:13:50 PM · #107 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
The Wikipedia article ... |
Thanks so much, Bear! Learning about how impressionism contrasted with earlier painting schools helps a lot. Can you suggest any specific examples to illustrate the specific contrasts of fixed vs. changing light and open vs. closed composition? |
Open composition
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09/07/2007 05:27:20 PM · #108 |
Originally posted by raish:
Originally posted by levyj413:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
The Wikipedia article ... |
Thanks so much, Bear! Learning about how impressionism contrasted with earlier painting schools helps a lot. Can you suggest any specific examples to illustrate the specific contrasts of fixed vs. changing light and open vs. closed composition? |
Open composition |
C'est dommage - je ne parle pas bien francais. J'ai oublie la plupart de ce que j'ai appris pendant cinq ans au lycee.
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09/07/2007 06:23:42 PM · #109 |
| Vous avez lu l'article en Wikipedia, je n'ai mis le lien que pour montrer les images. :) |
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09/07/2007 09:48:06 PM · #110 |
well, I was feeling really discouraged about my Impressionism entry. It started out in the high sixes, and traveled down to the very low fives. Yet, I have studied Impressionism for a number of years and looked at many, many paintings. My entry is authentic.
Tonight I received my first comment. It was from a member whose work I really respect. It was a complimentary one and made things right again. |
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09/07/2007 10:01:20 PM · #111 |
| I decided not to vote for this challenge. I have voted for the rest of the challenges though :D |
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09/07/2007 10:43:00 PM · #112 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by routerguy666:
Look at a good chunk of Van Gogh's work - it's about the lack of light, the darkness, the despair. It's not all pastel colors and soft light. |
Definitely. |
Van Gogh is usually considered post-impressionist along with Gaugin, Toulouse-Lautrec, Seurat and a few others, rather different in many respects from Monet, Renoir, and other impressionists.
Message edited by author 2007-09-07 22:43:24.
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09/07/2007 11:30:22 PM · #113 |
Originally posted by briantammy:
Originally posted by briantammy:
this challenge is just WRONG. |
to clarify
I'm sorry, but to take precision instruments as these cameras are and use them to turn out pictures like these is horrifying. A blindfolded three-year old on a sugar high could do the same. Why don't we play a fine stradivarius by picking it with a broken rake and listen to it while eating corn-nuts and talking on the cell-phone. I just hope the rest of the photographic world doesn't see this.
Don't take me too serious.... :-) That just my impression... |
After coming back tonight and rereading what i wrote last night after having viewed the Impressionist entries, i feel i must apologize for the comment I made. I wrote what popped into my head without giving it much thought. I realize that i pretty much slammed everyone who worked hard to come up with an entry in a very difficult challenge. I tried myself to come up with one but couldn't. Although I don't like this type of art myself, I give credit to all those that gave this challenge a shot and truly respect anyone who can connect with Impressionist art.
again, i apologize.
brian
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09/07/2007 11:33:35 PM · #114 |
Originally posted by briantammy:
After coming back tonight and rereading what i wrote last night after having viewed the Impressionist entries, i feel i must apologize for the comment I made. I wrote what popped into my head without giving it much thought. I realize that i pretty much slammed everyone who worked hard to come up with an entry in a very difficult challenge. I tried myself to come up with one but couldn't. Although I don't like this type of art myself, I give credit to all those that gave this challenge a shot and truly respect anyone who can connect with Impressionist art.
again, i apologize.
brian |
No need to apologize Brian, were all just trying to learn here. Have to take all posts with a grain of salt, things can get misinterpreted. Appreciate you coming back and joining back in the conversation, if we all thought the same and agreed, this place would blow.
Message edited by author 2007-09-07 23:33:57. |
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09/07/2007 11:35:45 PM · #115 |
Originally posted by briantammy:
After coming back tonight and rereading what i wrote last night after having viewed the Impressionist entries, i feel i must apologize for the comment I made. |
Thanks, Brian. I have no problem with you not liking the images, but I appreciate your apologizing for implying that no one else should, either.
I found participating in the blur side challenge to be eye-opening, to say the least. I was amazed at the power of much of the images, and pleasantly surprised to find myself producing some stuff I really liked. :)
Message edited by author 2007-09-07 23:35:59.
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09/07/2007 11:38:34 PM · #116 |
Originally posted by LevT:
Van Gogh is usually considered post-impressionist along with Gaugin, Toulouse-Lautrec, Seurat and a few others, rather different in many respects from Monet, Renoir, and other impressionists. |
This is true, but so many people think he was an impressionist and so much of his work derives directly from impressionism, differing most obviously in how he handled the light, that's easier to go with the flow as far as this thread is concerned.
R.
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09/07/2007 11:39:01 PM · #117 |
Originally posted by LevT:
Van Gogh is usually considered post-impressionist along with Gaugin, Toulouse-Lautrec, Seurat and a few others, rather different in many respects from Monet, Renoir, and other impressionists. |
Don't look at me, I'm merely a spectator now and find this whole mess quite amusing :-D
And that is the post-impressionism Leroy. :-)
Message edited by author 2007-09-07 23:39:25.
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09/07/2007 11:48:11 PM · #118 |
Ditto what  JeffDay just said. : )
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09/13/2007 03:51:04 PM · #119 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by routerguy666:
Look at a good chunk of Van Gogh's work - it's about the lack of light, the darkness, the despair. It's not all pastel colors and soft light. |
Definitely. |
Though that to me is also 'about the light'
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