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09/07/2007 09:39:30 AM · #176 |
Originally posted by KarenNfld:
Notice in 2004 it said major but today it just says no new shapes (no mention of major.... |
The old Major Element rule did not pertain to filters. It was intended to keep people from cloning out significant parts of the original or copy/pasting objects within the photo. It's analogous to the current rule: "You may NOT... use ANY editing tool to move, remove or duplicate any element of your photograph that would change a typical viewer̢۪s description of the photograph (aside from color or crop), even if the tool is otherwise legal, and regardless of whether you intended the change when the photograph was taken."
The old filter rule: "At your discretion, you may apply filters to your photo, in whole or part. (Be aware that extensively altering the "look" of your photograph with an "effects" filter is often not well received by voters.)"
The new filter rule: "You may... apply filters, effects, dodge & burn, and other tools to all or part of your entry, but NO new shapes or features may be created in the process."
Shapes/features would be things like creating a starburst or floodwaters where none existed before. IMO, the only real change is that the warning about voters not liking heavily filtered images was removed. |
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09/07/2007 09:40:02 AM · #177 |
Everyones vote is falling a bit today, usually goes like that for me with every new challenge in voting. Im a bit stable but still heading down after reaching 6.78 this morning I am now down to a 6.41 still very good score and I am very happy
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09/07/2007 09:40:29 AM · #178 |
Originally posted by bassbone:
Don't worry folks! I haven't voted yet and I am feeling rather generous today...
I took a look at some thumbs and there are many that are solid... |
Ok...I'm counting on you to jack my score from a 5.6 to a 8.0! :P |
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09/07/2007 09:41:16 AM · #179 |
Originally posted by bassbone:
Don't worry folks! I haven't voted yet and I am feeling rather generous today...
I took a look at some thumbs and there are many that are solid... |
Please go give some nice votes, Peter :-) The voters so far this morning appear to be cranky. |
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09/07/2007 09:41:22 AM · #180 |
I'll do what I can - maybe I will have to pull out some ghost accounts for this one... oops! Did I say that in front of SC?
Originally posted by hipychik:
Originally posted by bassbone:
Don't worry folks! I haven't voted yet and I am feeling rather generous today...
I took a look at some thumbs and there are many that are solid... |
Ok...I'm counting on you to jack my score from a 5.6 to a 8.0! :P |
Message edited by author 2007-09-07 09:46:59. |
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09/07/2007 09:45:08 AM · #181 |
Originally posted by jasonlprice:
Votes: 51
Views: 108
Avg Vote: 7.2745
Comments: 6
Favorites: 1
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 09/07/07 09:13 am |
That's my teammate!! Great score Jason!!
So, any filters on an image scoring that high, Jason?
Edit: so I don't get in trouble for discussing a particular image during voting!
Message edited by author 2007-09-07 09:51:03. |
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09/07/2007 09:54:10 AM · #182 |
Votes: 47
Views: 74
Avg Vote: 3.7234
WOO HOO!!!
Not only a personal worst (I actually think the photo looks cool and best yet, with the filtering I need no model releases!)...
BUT ALSO!
Votes and Views are palindromes of each other!
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09/07/2007 09:59:05 AM · #183 |
Going up and down like a yoyo!
Votes: 46
Views: 77
Avg Vote: 6.2391
Comments: 0
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 09/07/07 09:57 am
started at 7's and 6.8's to about 30 votes, then sunk as far down as 6.0500, now coming back up. This is the wierdest challenge rollercoaster ever.
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09/07/2007 10:01:33 AM · #184 |
Dropping like a rock I be...I was 6.7+ and now I be 5.8+ with one comment...thanks for the comment Enzo!!
Originally posted by hotpasta:
Going up and down like a yoyo!
Votes: 46
Views: 77
Avg Vote: 6.2391
Comments: 0
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 09/07/07 09:57 am
started at 7's and 6.8's to about 30 votes, then sunk as far down as 6.0500, now coming back up. This is the wierdest challenge rollercoaster ever. |
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09/07/2007 10:04:39 AM · #185 |
Originally posted by imagesbytlp:
So...as I have read this entire thread, I can't help but wonder...should we be voting down images, not just in the this challenge but in all challenges, that use post production to give that image a certain "look". The Dragonizer look, the use of Lucisart, any use of Virtual Photographer, Susi Lawson's technique (sorry Susi to drag you into this ;).
Photographers have always used different techniques to acheive the look that want. Whether if it's in the dark room or on the computer...we are still the artist. We choose what technique to use and how to make it look. I can tell you there were several versions of my entry, before deciding which one was my final.
There were a lot of nay sayers that said "impressionism is not art" when it was first seen...I guess some things never change.
As always, art is subjective.
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Terri I agree wholeheartedly with your take and Thanks! I did use a filter. The whole shot was planned and executed with the composition, lighting, subject and yes filter in mind to depict my impression of impressionism. I'm glad the voters like it and agree.
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09/07/2007 10:10:42 AM · #186 |
moved up a tad....wonder why?
Votes: 44
Views: 63
Avg Vote: 5.0000
Comments: 0
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 09/07/07 10:09 am
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09/07/2007 10:12:59 AM · #187 |
perhaps people feel a little queasy aboout the painterly filters because they often look super cheesy. that's my honest feeling about it.
usually, they make a photograph look cheesy.
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when you take the time to compose a shot according to the principles of impressionism. . .whether or not you use a filter it will be rated higher in my book.
the issue is: can you separate, for just one challenge, your indignity about the overt use of paint effects from the experience of learning something new?
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09/07/2007 10:17:32 AM · #188 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Votes: 40
Views: 60
Avg Vote: 6.2250 (dropping like a rock the last 15 votes)
Comments: 2
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A tumbling we will go, a tumbling we will go...
Votes: 48
Views: 71
Avg Vote: 6.0000
Comments: 2
Need a bounce, quick! :)
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09/07/2007 10:18:27 AM · #189 |
| In my voting, if its obvious a heavy filter was used, the vote is a lot lower. If you were able to achieve the look of Impressionism without a filter, then I think you have met the challenge and am voting higher. I am not saying by any means that those using a filter is DNMC, I am just giving my take on the challenge. I think it is too easy to take a shot and just apply a filter. There are some great shots in here, mine however is apparently not one of them. I took my shot without a filter and thought it portrayed Impressionism very well, it portrays a painting but the 5.4 its sitting at says people think otherwise. But there is the beauty of the voters. I thought it was fun as hell trying something new, and really liked how my shot turned out. In my eyes looking at my work, and being satisfied with it, is a hell of a lot better than a ribbon. Just wish others felt the same about their work. If you submitted and liked your work, be happy with it. Don't be upset about the score. |
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09/07/2007 10:21:54 AM · #190 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Shapes/features would be things like creating a starburst or floodwaters where none existed before. IMO, the only real change is that the warning about voters not liking heavily filtered images was removed. |
Oh, ok, it's just that recently I have seen photos dq'ed for using a filter that added a texture over the entire image (please don't ask me to give examples, I can't remember what challenges they were in).
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09/07/2007 10:25:53 AM · #191 |
Originally posted by KarenNfld:
Happy!
Votes: 32
Views: 48
Avg Vote: 6.4063
Comments: 1 |
Dropping:
Votes: 46
Views: 66
Avg Vote: 6.1739
Comments: 1
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09/07/2007 10:28:53 AM · #192 |
Originally posted by KarenNfld:
Originally posted by KarenNfld:
Happy!
Votes: 32
Views: 48
Avg Vote: 6.4063
Comments: 1 |
Dropping:
Votes: 46
Views: 66
Avg Vote: 6.1739
Comments: 1 |
I am on my way back up...
Votes: 49
Views: 81
Avg Vote: 6.2449
Comments: 0
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 09/07/07 10:26 am
not one comment |
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09/07/2007 10:31:56 AM · #193 |
My point was, we are the artists...we do what best enhances our image. If a filter is what does that...I say why not. Not all techniques applied to an image work. This is why it's an artists job to edit...and that doesn't mean just adding...we need to know when to stop.
I don't think that this particular challenge should be about whether or not a filter was used. It should be about whether or not the effect used to achieve impressionism was applied well...whether its a long exposure with camera movement, a PS filter, a lens baby...whatever...is the final outcome pleasing? |
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09/07/2007 10:31:58 AM · #194 |
I did not use a filter at all...you can still see what the image looks like originally, only adjusted colors a little, and pushed a few levels in different areas..but I'm tanking bad!
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09/07/2007 10:37:33 AM · #195 |
Originally posted by imagesbytlp:
My point was, we are the artists...we do what best enhances our image. If a filter is what does that...I say why not. Not all techniques applied to an image work. This is why it's an artists job to edit...and that doesn't mean just adding...we need to know when to stop.
I don't think that this particular challenge should be about whether or not a filter was used. It should be about whether or not the effect used to achieve impressionism was applied well...whether its a long exposure with camera movement, a PS filter, a lens baby...whatever...is the final outcome pleasing? |
you said it. |
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09/07/2007 10:38:16 AM · #196 |
Originally posted by imagesbytlp:
My point was, we are the artists...we do what best enhances our image. If a filter is what does that...I say why not. Not all techniques applied to an image work. This is why it's an artists job to edit...and that doesn't mean just adding...we need to know when to stop.
I don't think that this particular challenge should be about whether or not a filter was used. It should be about whether or not the effect used to achieve impressionism was applied well...whether its a long exposure with camera movement, a PS filter, a lens baby...whatever...is the final outcome pleasing? |
I totally agree with you. |
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09/07/2007 10:40:12 AM · #197 |
Originally posted by BeckyT:
Originally posted by imagesbytlp:
My point was, we are the artists...we do what best enhances our image. If a filter is what does that...I say why not. Not all techniques applied to an image work. This is why it's an artists job to edit...and that doesn't mean just adding...we need to know when to stop.
I don't think that this particular challenge should be about whether or not a filter was used. It should be about whether or not the effect used to achieve impressionism was applied well...whether its a long exposure with camera movement, a PS filter, a lens baby...whatever...is the final outcome pleasing? |
I totally agree with you. |
I agree also, the assignment was to create something that looked like impressionist art, if filters help then use them. |
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09/07/2007 10:42:35 AM · #198 |
Originally posted by zxaar:
Originally posted by imagesbytlp:
My point was, we are the artists...we do what best enhances our image. If a filter is what does that...I say why not. Not all techniques applied to an image work. This is why it's an artists job to edit...and that doesn't mean just adding...we need to know when to stop.
I don't think that this particular challenge should be about whether or not a filter was used. It should be about whether or not the effect used to achieve impressionism was applied well...whether its a long exposure with camera movement, a PS filter, a lens baby...whatever...is the final outcome pleasing? |
you said it. |
would have to agree with you on that one, well said. |
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09/07/2007 10:42:44 AM · #199 |
Originally posted by PapaBob:
Originally posted by BeckyT:
Originally posted by imagesbytlp:
My point was, we are the artists...we do what best enhances our image. If a filter is what does that...I say why not. Not all techniques applied to an image work. This is why it's an artists job to edit...and that doesn't mean just adding...we need to know when to stop.
I don't think that this particular challenge should be about whether or not a filter was used. It should be about whether or not the effect used to achieve impressionism was applied well...whether its a long exposure with camera movement, a PS filter, a lens baby...whatever...is the final outcome pleasing? |
I totally agree with you. |
I agree also, the assignment was to create something that looked like impressionist art, if filters help then use them. |
That's right! Now everyone go change your votes on mine!!! :)
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09/07/2007 10:45:40 AM · #200 |
Originally posted by imagesbytlp:
My point was, we are the artists...we do what best enhances our image. If a filter is what does that...I say why not. Not all techniques applied to an image work. This is why it's an artists job to edit...and that doesn't mean just adding...we need to know when to stop.
I don't think that this particular challenge should be about whether or not a filter was used. It should be about whether or not the effect used to achieve impressionism was applied well...whether its a long exposure with camera movement, a PS filter, a lens baby...whatever...is the final outcome pleasing? |
Much more articulate than I would have been. Perfectly put! |
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