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 08/16/2007 01:57:47 PM · #26
I'm in Minnesota so people would tell me they are perfect while excusing themselves to go throwup, so find another way to find out what happened. People want to do the right thing. They don't wake up and think about how to break promises. If they are happy, they want everyone else to be happy. The opposite also applies.
 08/16/2007 01:59:47 PM · #27
Originally posted by naldslc:


I'm thinking of just giving her the damn photos and being done with it; but my stubborn Scandinavian blood line tells me to stick to my guns and make her pay the minuscule amount that we originally agreed upon.


Judging by the posts in this thread, I'd venture a guess that there are more than a couple of us with Viking ancestry;)
 08/16/2007 02:17:31 PM · #28
Just remember the difference between inlaws and outlaws.

Outlaws are wanted.

;oP
 08/16/2007 02:21:09 PM · #29
Originally posted by naldslc:
What are everyone else's thoughts?


I would tell her to go to hell.
 08/16/2007 02:44:26 PM · #30
as a general rule "besides helping rake the family plot every now an then" or "paintin grannies garage", i generally take this stance on working for the family for money....NOT NO! BUT HELL NO! ,ofcourse we are all different...go Vikes!
 08/16/2007 03:10:16 PM · #31
This is why I proof the photos while onsite during the shoot. To make sure the customer is happy. Then I get them to sign a contract. Then I email the the info. And if they are family or friend I get it notorized! I would explain if they say they are happy with the photos and say they are happy with the results that nothing is free in this world.
 08/16/2007 03:15:07 PM · #32
Originally posted by routerguy666:
Originally posted by naldslc:
What are everyone else's thoughts?


I would tell her to go to hell.


Go directly to Hell, do not pass Go!, do not collect $200.
 08/16/2007 03:43:45 PM · #33
If you planned on making no profit & just having them cover the print costs then why do you care where they print them ?

If you do plan on making a profit then I can see why you might be concerned, in which case they should pay what they agreed with you up front.

08/16/2007 06:24:25 PM · #34
Originally posted by rox_rox:
Are they the "Pin up Theme" photos in your portfolio?

If so, I can see how they would love them. Very fun and well done.


Yep those be the ones.

Originally posted by Gordon:
If you planned on making no profit & just having them cover the print costs then why do you care where they print them ?

If you do plan on making a profit then I can see why you might be concerned, in which case they should pay what they agreed with you up front.


It's the principal not the money, SHE agreed to cover the costs of the shots she wanted prints of before we even did the shoot. SHE changed her mind after the fact, decided to insult me rather than discuss other options. I again try and put my best foot forward, blow off the insult and offered to make her a DVD for each girl at 5 bucks a pop. So we're right back to square one with her covering my costs to get her copies of shots / prints of her choosing and that's not good enough for her.

IF I were to make anything off of these it would be to the tune of a dollar per DVD, between her and the 6 other girls that were at the shoot I'd stand to make a whooping 7 bucks! Pretty good money for a weeks worth of post processing wouldn't you say?

Sorry if this reply came of a bit harsh, not my intention. Major headache setting in.....


08/16/2007 06:30:02 PM · #35
Someone mentioned earlier about giving them the unedited photos. You could go one step further and watermark them with 'Unedited, Copyright etc,etc'.

Let them get them printed!
 08/16/2007 06:31:54 PM · #36
Originally posted by kawesttex:
Someone mentioned earlier about giving them the unedited photos. You could go one step further and watermark them with 'Unedited, Copyright etc,etc'.

Let them get them printed!


That's really not a bad idea at all.....

At least I'd be done with it.


08/16/2007 06:57:01 PM · #37
Originally posted by naldslc:


It's the principal not the money


Sure, except I don't even see the principal that's the problem here. You agreed to give them the pictures at no profit, so why the headache about giving them at no profit ?

Give her one DVD and let her distribute them - you make as much money with less hassle.

People never value things they get for free, family or not.
 08/16/2007 07:26:45 PM · #38
Just email her a link to this thread.
 08/16/2007 07:50:12 PM · #39
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Just email her a link to this thread.


That's a great idea!
 08/16/2007 08:19:02 PM · #40
Originally posted by jhonan:
Post her the images as unedited RAW files backed up onto floppy disk.


Ha! :)
 08/16/2007 08:34:13 PM · #41
or, just have her call some other photographers for their prices.
 08/16/2007 09:52:17 PM · #42
Not really sure how I'd handle this, in-laws are difficult little sticky situations.

I'd have a mind to reiterate the original request, and up the ante to "and if you make any more demands of me, the cost increases by 50% each time you argue with me about it, because you're now eating into my time."

That, or offer her to pay you an hourly rate for the time you've put in thus far that is equivalent or superior to your regular work rate. Include benefits (i.e - health insurance) and equipment estimated costs, this is a freelance operation, after all.

Or just give her a single DVD and tell her never to call you again unless she's apologizing.

Message edited by author 2007-08-16 21:52:40.
 08/16/2007 09:58:30 PM · #43
Or give her a professional-looking CD of the images, and make a big production out of how this is as much as you're doing for them and that you've bent over backwards for them, and that's that.

And then watch them squirm when they come crawling back to you when they learn that they need a copyright release form...
 08/17/2007 02:07:35 AM · #44
If I were you, I would charge them the hourly fee for photographing them, then we would talk about how much they should pay for photos.
(if they were not paying for time I had input into it, they ain't getting any then).
 08/17/2007 07:27:51 AM · #45
Note: this got long and I ended up ranting along with you...

Sadly, I have this problem all the time too with my inlaws.

When we took a cruise to Alaska with them (which we got them as a thank you gift for my wife's college and our wedding) they had a camera, and we had a camera.

My father in law forgot his battery charger for the proprietary battery in his camera and his point and shoot wouldn't "zoom in to the bird a mile away".

I came prepared, toted my laptop, 5 GB of cards (and the battery charger) and took close to 2000 images. Now he wants me to burn them to a "CD and mail it to him".

The issue is that he always prints them on a crappy printer and sends them to all the relatives. So not only do I have to figure out how to cram multiple gigs of photos on a "CD", he's going to show everyone he knows my work which will look like junk due to his printer.

Been there, done that and won't do it again. I offered to make them prints which I would have printed, mounted / matted or whatever they wanted and I would give them to them at cost. Still haven't heard back. Whenever I e-mail them photos, I make sure to put a bit watermark over the faces. I may not be a pro, but I'd still have dreams of selling images one day. If they are copyrighted, they are mine and potential money sources. Don't give them up.

Bottom line: I take pride in my work. It may not be great, but it's mine. I don't want someone else processing my images and making me look bad. If I give out prints to anyone, they have to meet my quality standards for my work. Bad advertisement hurts more than good advertisement helps...
 08/17/2007 08:03:42 AM · #46
steve - do NOT give them anything! just seeing your story makes my blood boil!! (NOT for the money, but the sheer principle of the matter) You are absolutely right to stick to your original agreement, and kudos for having such a supportive wife too!

If they cannot understand that you spent a huge amount of time and money to reach this point, then just pass. Besides, if you give in now, they will ALWAYS want stuff for free!!!

Good luck...

Billy
 08/17/2007 08:22:36 AM · #47
from all the hostility in this thread I must be totally missing the point or something.

08/17/2007 08:25:39 AM · #48
so...do we get to see the photos?
 08/17/2007 09:26:24 AM · #49
Originally posted by Gordon:
from all the hostility in this thread I must be totally missing the point or something.


How would you feel if you gave someone your images on DVD -- processed and looking very good. In turn, they decided that they would print them on their non-photo printer with no concept of color profiles. But they are too large, so they shrink them down to 640 x 480 thinking that this will fix the problem. They print them in 8x10 and look like crap.

The next day, they take them to their friends and someone asks who took the picture. They respond with your name and you've successfully got a group of people laughing at your expense.

In my opinion, be proud of your work or do something different. Photography may be a hobby for many here -- it is for me. But if I spend lots of time out shooting in order to improve my skills, I don't want to short myself by displaying junk work. I'm all for posting shots that didn't work in an atmosphere such as this where people can offer honest critique. But I'm not going to hang them on my wall for others to see. Maybe I'm weird.
 08/17/2007 10:00:18 AM · #50
Originally posted by mjwood0:
Originally posted by Gordon:
from all the hostility in this thread I must be totally missing the point or something.


How would you feel if you gave someone your images on DVD -- processed and looking very good. In turn, they decided that they would print them on their non-photo printer with no concept of color profiles. But they are too large, so they shrink them down to 640 x 480 thinking that this will fix the problem. They print them in 8x10 and look like crap.


That's true but that doesn't seem to be part of the equation here. This just seems like someone being stubborn to cause themselves more problems. It's already been a year - burn a disk and move on, it'll take 5 minutes.

Message edited by author 2007-08-17 10:11:24.
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