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08/08/2007 12:42:03 AM · #1 |
Ok, I don't usually do this, but I finally had to say something. My recent image received a 4.96 and 13 votes were under a 4. How many comments did I receive? Only 3.
Now, I'm not begging for comments now or whining about a low score, but whatever happened to common courtesy? I had a slight glimmer of hope that voters might change their ways when the SC put up that notice urging people to comment for images that received scores under 4, but no...that's apparently too much to ask for.
Not only did I get a low score, but the comments that I received (while appreciated) did not give me any useful information as to why it scored so poorly. All I'm suggesting is that people take a measly 30 seconds (or less, depending how fast you type) as to why they are scoring an image under 4. That's all I ask, here's my image btw.
Message edited by author 2007-08-08 00:42:45. |
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08/08/2007 12:45:50 AM · #2 |
I'll be honest, and I think I'm speaking for a good number of people when I say this - if I had to comment on every shot that doesn't show basic technical competence my fingers would fall off within three challenges. There's only so many time syou can type the same advice before you just give up.
Anyway, composition hurts it. Retina slashing, super sharp focus is missing. Lighting is a bit flat. |
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08/08/2007 12:54:37 AM · #3 |
| It was a very busy week with the 630+ free study to vote on. I think people just ran out of time, I know I did. |
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08/08/2007 01:00:51 AM · #4 |
I did not vote in the challenge, but I must be honest, I can't see why you received voted under 5. I think it is a great photo.
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08/08/2007 01:02:25 AM · #5 |
Ditto to routerguy and mpeters' comments. :)
As for the free study, I have to admit that I decided to forego my usual detailed comments on at least 90% of images, and just went forth to get some runs on the board to make my votes count, leaving very few comments as to why.
Oh, and yes, I prefer your outtake shot. It's still not a ribbon-winner, but the lighting and crop are a little more interesting.
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08/08/2007 01:20:24 AM · #6 |
Just so everyone's clear, this wasn't my Free Study entry, it was for Rolling Stones Songs, and while I can understand why people were pressed for time because of the Free Study, that doesn't mean that voters can't comment as they're voting when they know they are voting a 1, 2, or 3. Just an idea...
Oh and thank you for the critiques, they are very helpful.
Message edited by author 2007-08-08 01:20:56. |
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08/08/2007 01:29:33 AM · #7 |
I got beat up in the forums awhile back for:
1) Advocating thoughtful, helpful comments; and
2) Speculating that those who vow to comment on 100% of the entries in a challenge might be more dedicated to quantity in their comments than quality.
That i got beat up might have been a style (on my part) issue rather than a fundamental issue with my point.
Nevertheless, I agree with you ... quality comments would be helpful and would further the learning dimension of the site.
And I'm wondering where the "100%-ers" are now? They didn't appear to get to your entry. Maybe they're choosing softball challenges with a hundred or so entries. If that raises the quality of their comments, that's great!
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08/08/2007 01:34:36 AM · #8 |
| I was aware this wasn't your free study, just looking back on the week, I wanted to see and vote on all of the images in all of the challenges. Usually I view and vote, then return for adjustments and comments. There were alot more images than normal so less comments were made. |
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08/08/2007 01:35:27 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by routerguy666:
if I had to comment on every shot that doesn't show basic technical competence my fingers would fall off within three challenges. There's only so many time syou can type the same advice before you just give up. |
you can copy & paste frequently used comments, or you can try this DPC vote helper ;) |
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08/08/2007 01:53:02 AM · #10 |
I just left you a comment on the shot, Leah.
Dr.Confuser, I don't think insinuating the 100% commenters are somehow slacking off is going to encourage anyone to comment more or with higher quality.
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08/08/2007 02:08:02 AM · #11 |
Aha, so that's where all those damn useless comments are coming from. :) "Great shot :D 5"
Actually, I'm not so keen on the divided voting, because this just takes more time, and leaves out the fact that what counts is not evenly weighted technical excellence in 5 areas, but overall result that matter. But, the comment thing might be handy, once I tailor the comments to something a little less useless. My 5 most standard comments are probably...
1) White balance is too blue. Warm it up a bit.
2) Centred subject is boring here. Try the rule of 3rds.
3) Lighting is flat/harsh. Try to get some more/less directional lighting. (OK, I'm cheating, there's 2 comments in here)
4) Subject is not quite in focus.
5) Enough with those black 'cinema' borders already! (Yes, you know the ones I mean)
I could probably add a few more for some of the more common PP issues, and these might account for 20% or more of my comments.
A standard comment is less useful than one tailored to the image, but hey, school teachers have been using standard report card comments for years. I remember finding out the report cards were computerised, they had 98 possible comments to choose from, and #99 for a customised comment, which was seldom used.
Maybe there's a topic for a new thread here - what's your 5 most common comments? We can educate the masses through giving comments instead of receiving them.
Ok, I don't want to hijack  Blue Moon's thread, so a new thread is here
Message edited by author 2007-08-08 02:33:40. |
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08/08/2007 08:48:50 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by crayon:
Originally posted by routerguy666:
if I had to comment on every shot that doesn't show basic technical competence my fingers would fall off within three challenges. There's only so many time syou can type the same advice before you just give up. |
you can copy & paste frequently used comments, or you can try this DPC vote helper ;) |
People can take it on themselves to read and learn the basics. |
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08/08/2007 09:25:05 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by routerguy666:
People can take it on themselves to read and learn the basics. |
Your attitude is less than helpful, but so be it. Plenty of us are willing to help people learn even the basics, especially when they ask for it.
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08/08/2007 09:39:01 AM · #14 |
I really prefer this one:
Lemme tell you why :)
Harry looks closer to his real natural colour. The blob actually is very interesting in that you have to look at it for more than 30 seconds to see that it is, in fact, a fly. Your lighting is more interesting and doesn't seem quite as flat. Harry is angled slightly and looks a bit more menacing. Sharpness is better (doesn't look over or under sharpened) and his hairy legs don't look like cacti :)
I hope this is the kind of thing you were looking for... I would say don't dwell on the 4's, but it is the majority vote that counts (you got a LOT of 5's) and you should consider that and wonder if you would have given it the same had you run across it in a challenge (a 5, not a 4). |
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08/08/2007 09:46:20 AM · #15 |
This is just my opinion. :)
Your entry is a good shot but is just laking. It seems a bit out of focus and for an insect shot it needs to be clearer. I also agree that the lighting is off. I did nt get to vote in this challenge but I would have given it a 5.
As for your outtake... I think it is much better. I love the off center compisition. The lighting is much warmer and the focus is better. That I would have given a 7.
Again this is just my opinion. I don't know too much. :) |
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08/08/2007 10:23:13 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
Originally posted by routerguy666:
People can take it on themselves to read and learn the basics. |
Your attitude is less than helpful, but so be it. Plenty of us are willing to help people learn even the basics, especially when they ask for it. |
I answered the OP. My reply was to the suggestion that I sit and copy/paste generic comments in. Thanks for your critique. |
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08/11/2007 05:54:29 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
I just left you a comment on the shot, Leah.
Dr.Confuser, I don't think insinuating the 100% commenters are somehow slacking off is going to encourage anyone to comment more or with higher quality. |
I am not all knowing regarding the behavior of members who make a prideful boast, "I commented on all the photos on this, or that, challenge.â Let's be clear ... I have (in the past) postulated an inverse correlation between comment quantity and quality. Evidence I have gathered personnally supports this hypothesis. I am in favor of high quality, genuinely helpful, comments. I am not in favor of gratuitous quantity. Like gratuitous sex, or violence, it gets boring after awhile and/or loses its impact ... and there's nothing to learn from it.
If you're gong to comment, budget the time and commit the effort to make the comment worthwhile, please. Say something worth listening to.
My hat is off to anyone who gives thoughtful, constructive, genuinely helpful comments to the photos we see. If they do it for all, or even a signigicant number of entries in a challenge ... then that's NOT prideful boasting. It's a terrific commitment to the site and the community. Judi and others are to be commended for encouragin it.
It's okay to disagree with me. It's just my opinion after all and this is just a game. But be aware, a position in favor of fluffy, feel-good, non-constructive comments in volume puts you on the wrong side of the issue. Why would anyone possibly care? Again just an opinion and my POV.
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08/11/2007 06:02:15 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by Dr.Confuser:
...It's okay to disagree with me... |
I agree with most everything you said except the part about gratuitous sex being boring.
FWIW, my comments are generally 50% constructive, 50% mildly amusing. That is to say, half of my comments might be constructive. If you get one from me that is both helpful and amusing, consider yourself lucky. :)
edit to add: But my comments are never meant to be rude or mean-spririted.
Message edited by author 2007-08-11 18:03:16. |
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08/11/2007 06:15:55 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
.... gratuitous sex ...
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gratuitous sex, where , how |
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08/11/2007 06:16:34 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by Dr.Confuser:
It's okay to disagree with me. |
For the record, some (although not all) of us 100%-ers leave all helpful comments. Otherwise what's the point. Anyone can spout off a bunch of "nice shot" and "not my cup of tea" comments, but that doesn't tell WHY. If we are to learn (and the dead horse is now being dragged around the yard) I agree that not commenting on low rated shots helps no one.
As for Harry our little spider friend, your outtake is my choice of the two due to composition and overall sharpness. While the coloring is nice, the white border is not necessary to me as Harry can stand on his own merit in the photograph. The border makes me feel like he is confined and in reality, the fly is the one confined! It's not a bad photograph! Like so many others here have told me...if YOU like the shot...be happy. We are never going to figure out this beast they call the DPChallenge voter and you should never take shots just to please them, do it for you! :) Voting is so subjective, lol! :P [climbs off her soap box and goes for wine] |
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08/11/2007 06:23:10 PM · #21 |
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08/11/2007 06:29:47 PM · #22 |
Sorry, it's just a "bla" photo. I wouldn't have voted on it because I stopped voting below 5. If I was voting below 5, I'd give it a 2 at best.
Sorry to say that, but it's just not a good photo. |
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08/11/2007 06:39:49 PM · #23 |
| I have post some comments. Hope they are helpful. |
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