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12/02/2002 03:41:49 PM · #1 |
All 20 comments on last weeks picture said I croped too close. Well, yes but look at what I was contending with. outtakes
All my decisions about what to shoot and what to enter have been so bad that I'm about ready to through in the towel.
would the new ratio rules have saved this shot? |
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12/02/2002 03:47:31 PM · #2 |
I really like the third shot the best. For me the main issue with the photo was the extraneous stuff in the background. Like I said in my comment, this might have been more effective if it had been shot upward more to get rid of the ground clutter.
Don't throw in the towel! I dropped 97 places this week and my Blue photo is tanking hard! Just remember, if you're having fun TAKING the pictures, then you should keep on doing it. Don't give a hoot what your score is, as long as you are happy with the process and the end results. That's what really matters.
Rob 8) |
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12/02/2002 03:50:29 PM · #3 |
what muckpond said! :-)
steel bananas looks cool!
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12/02/2002 03:52:26 PM · #4 |
I like the edit to shot three, but again the extraneous material is an issue, albeit a smaller one. Hang in there, aelith. I have really enjoyed some of your work. And this is a very tough crowd to figure out.
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12/02/2002 04:04:36 PM · #5 |
I feel Edit of Shot 3 is a much stronger photo. You should have submitted it. Just being the central object of the photo helps. The blue of the sky, the silver of the art and the brown of the ground really work well together. The photo is crisp and the artwork flowing from left to right work well with the natural flow of the eye. Lighting is good, you don't have any blown out hot spots or overly dark areas in the shadows. My rating of your first one was 4, I would have probably given Edit of Shot 3 at least a 6.
Keep submitting, we don't learn and better ourselves if we don't take a chance.
-danny
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12/02/2002 04:32:05 PM · #6 |
honestly i thought the shot about saving the library would have been more 'newsie' but that's me : )
nice images : )
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12/02/2002 05:02:08 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by aelith:
All 20 comments on last weeks picture said I croped too close. Well, yes but look at what I was contending with. outtakes
All my decisions about what to shoot and what to enter have been so bad that I'm about ready to through in the towel.
would the new ratio rules have saved this shot?
What was the other side of it like ? Could you have shot from round there ? How about lying on the ground and shooting up at it ?
Just wondering aloud.
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12/02/2002 05:15:49 PM · #8 |
I understand exactly how you feel, on Technology I spent most of the week looking at comments about my depth of field and just felt like shouting 'well you should see the ones I DIDNT enter!'
I actually think the original shot has potential, if you could have retaken if from closer up and lower down, to push the distracting cars and powerlines out of sight.
Cropping and framing do make a HUGE impact on a photograph (which is why I normally do the best I can and then get my wife to tell me what I SHOULD have done...!) - like everything else it takes practice to get right. Or at least, I hope it gets better with practice or I might as well give up now :-) |
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12/02/2002 06:31:55 PM · #9 |
Thank you all for your encouraging words.
Mag, that was my original entry but I thought the composition of the photo just wasn't good enough.
Gordon, I was knealing and shooting up in the original and though I got the sculpture square in the frame the ground is slanted strangely. That's why I decided to croop as much of the bottom out as I could.
Yes, crabapple #3 edit is the one I should have entered but it was so much less dramatic than the front view --- of well.
lol Karmat, "steel banana" was the not so kind nickname it got when I was first unvailed. (columbia is italian for dove) BTW that's the tip of my finger in the left corner. :P
Part of the story you can not see is that this is the sculpture that stood in front of the old library and it was quite difficult to get a decent shot of it because the archetechual background broke up it's clean lines. So the shot of the new Library and it's strange orange sculpture is part of the story. The Dove now stands on the corner directly across from it's old position. There is room now for it to spread it's wings. But not in a 48x64 format. :(
Again thanks for letting me vent. |
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12/02/2002 07:18:15 PM · #10 |
Aelith...
Greetings :) I have run into similar problems. Every now and then, you come across a subject that you really wanna photograph... There is a nice sculpture here in my town that I have wanted to photograph also, but there is no great angle for it. No matter which angle I shoot from, there is extraneous 'noise' in the photo. I can't get underneath it to shoot straight up... even if I could, there are wires above it.
I have one other suggestion that may work for you on this shot... If this subject is lit up at night, try a nighttime shot. You may possibly be able to isolate your subject better from its surroundings at night.
We all go through this issue at one time or another. I made my first submission this week after an extensive break from dpc. I took some time off... did some photos that I wanted to do... relaxed... tried to remember why I do photography to start with :)
Keep up the good work :)
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12/02/2002 07:40:20 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by aelith:
Thank you all for your encouraging words....The Dove now stands on the corner directly across from it's old position. There is room now for it to spread it's wings. But not in a 48x64 format. :(
Again thanks for letting me vent.
Ahh, but starting next week (or the week after?) you can crop square or something else more appropriate. |
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12/02/2002 08:14:22 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by aelith:
All 20 comments on last weeks picture said I croped too close. Well, yes but look at what I was contending with. outtakes
All my decisions about what to shoot and what to enter have been so bad that I'm about ready to through in the towel.
would the new ratio rules have saved this shot?
don't throw in the towel.
i gave your shot a 9. and only because the trees at the bottom edge were a little distracting from the shot. in other words, i would have cropped CLOSER. and maybe i would have shot a few feet to the left. but overall, it's an outstanding shot. it fits the challenge, has great composition, and interesting use of near-complimentary colors.
don't let your score here tell you how good of a photographer you are. the voters here have no taste. (yeah. you heard me.)
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12/02/2002 08:35:46 PM · #13 |
| Arach, you should do a tutorial on "TASTE". From your teenager heights of developed taste there must be a great deal we older types can learn from you. Do see if you can fit that into your busy life. |
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12/03/2002 12:18:23 AM · #14 |
and why do you assume i'm a teenager, exactly?
a picture like aelith's deserves more than 4.895, and a better place that a hundred and first. there were a ton of pictures that placed better than it did that i thought were not better pictures.
but if you really want a tutorial on "taste" i will write one for you.
what made his picture good?
primarily the lines. they create what's called "visual alliteration" with each other. from the angle the shot was taken from, the lines of the sculpture mirror each other, but not exactly. this makes one's eye travel along the lines of each of the parts of the sculpture. this manifests itself in one of two ways, depending on the viewer. either it creates a sense of flow, or a bouncing effect. the lines along the outside are rather interesting as well. on a purely physical level, i enjoyed the way this photo made my eyes move.
also, the color. as i think i said before, the brassy earthen color of the sculpture and the blue of the sky are close to being complimentary colors. while straight blue and orange would not have looked so good, the sky blue and the copper of the form create and interesting popping out sort of effect, no shallow dof needed.
what other sort of critique would you like aelith? the sharpening looks good, not overly sharp, not fuzzy. the smooth of the curves within the "wings" and the sharp of the border works nicely. perfect use of unsharp mask.
the lighting of the object was good (due to the actual shape, not conditions). the pieces towards the rear are darker because they increasingly face away from the sun, and towards the front they are lighter because they are more verticle. this creates a sense of depth. shooting from the other side would not have worked. (good choice)
and it fits the challenge.
the only thing that really detracts from the image is the lower right background. while the angle is interesting, it doesn't work the rest of the image, and takes away from the visual paths of the dove. unfortunately, i doubt you could have done anything about that.
jem: age does not equal wisdom, and age does not mean you automatically have taste. would you like me to critique yours next?
* This message has been edited by the author on 12/3/2002 12:16:50 AM.
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12/03/2002 12:55:36 AM · #15 |
Thank you Arach, ( he he, what makes you think I'm a he :D)
Your critique points out the exact reasons I picked this one instead of #3 edit to submit.
Did any one notice there is a major conflict of advice here? Everyone seems to object to the bits of background, as if sculpture can only be shot in the pure environment of an exhibition.
Yet the biggist weakness of this shot to my mind as a photojournal images is that there is not enough background to support the story ie. the new location.
YOur advice John is good. I shall try to not try so hard for a while. :) |
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12/03/2002 01:38:12 AM · #16 |
standard gender asumption. take it up with the feminists. we need a neutral gender pronoun in this language.
i realize the conflict with the background. which is why i didn't mark down significantly for it. i probably would have given it a 9 even if you had solved that problem somehow. i'm not sure it would work with more background, actually. it might seem more photojournalist, but not as good of a shot. either way, i think it would fit the challenge just fine without it.
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