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07/18/2007 02:42:51 AM · #1 |
camera: canon rebel xti
lens: canon EF 70-200 f/4L USM
iso:100
cant remember the rest :) how do i check my EXIF data?
btw i was obviously limited for angles being in a boat and all
please and thankyou :) |
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07/18/2007 03:09:01 AM · #2 |
hey, i see you scored yourself that 70-200 i recommended... good on ya!
my only real advice on this one would be to shoot in landscape orientation... the vert crop doesnt do anything for me here. the background is blah and all the lines in the photo are horizontal, going landscape style would get rid of some of that boring background show more of whats really going on here, as well as strengthen the lines along which the action is happening...
I dunno, I dont shoot wake :-P. Thats all I got!
Oh, that site I recommended before is back in action... wheels and wax is the best resource i can think of for people serious about action sport photography. check it out, all the good stuff goes down in the forums...
cheers! |
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07/18/2007 03:15:41 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by option:
hey, i see you scored yourself that 70-200 i recommended... good on ya!
my only real advice on this one would be to shoot in landscape orientation... the vert crop doesnt do anything for me here. the background is blah and all the lines in the photo are horizontal, going landscape style would get rid of some of that boring background show more of whats really going on here, as well as strengthen the lines along which the action is happening...
I dunno, I dont shoot wake :-P. Thats all I got!
Oh, that site I recommended before is back in action... wheels and wax is the best resource i can think of for people serious about action sport photography. check it out, all the good stuff goes down in the forums...
cheers! |
like this one? SSHHHH i know my horrizon is crooked :D little bit hard to stay level when your bouncing in a boat
who caught the differnt color wet suit? the purple is the real color but i changed it as a favor in the other pic haha
Message edited by author 2007-07-18 03:20:24. |
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07/18/2007 10:12:19 AM · #4 |
horizons are easy enough to correct in post, as long as its not too funky an angle you wont be cropping it too tight...
the background is definitely better there... i know you cant always get pro riders to work with, but a guy going big would look so sick there... shoot landscape, and snap it right as he was up above the mtns. try to keep stuff like that in mind, even when youre shootin with your buddies. they might not be able to go big, but if you ever work with someone who just kills it, you want to make sure you get the sickest shot you can get, then send it to a mag and get published!
oh ya...go read some wake mags. youll get a really good idea of what a pro wake photo looks like, and itll give you something to strive towards. one day, youll want some kid lookin at your photos saying "damn, i want to shoot like THAT!" |
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07/18/2007 11:02:41 AM · #5 |
I would shoot tighter so that your subject fills more of the frame... I would also tilt the camera even more :)
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07/18/2007 11:23:32 AM · #6 |
Hi there. I have shot a lot of wakeboard photos, and would recommend a couple of things.   I notice that both of your pics were taken with very bright light, which if you are shooting an event, you do not have control over. If you are shooting for the boarders themselves try and get out in early morning or after supper so you can get some "sweet" light and not the harsh shadows.
A fast motor drive is essential and do not be afraid to use it. When they hit that wake punch the shutter button and take the full 5 or 10 frames until they land. That is needed to get the shot that does not have the rope or rope handle blocking the boarder's face.
As someone else has said, get in tighter. You may lose the occasional shot because they go out of the frame, but you will not have to crop so much to get a good image up close, and have more pixels to work with.
Experiment. My highest scoring shot on here, which finished 5th, I almost did not even shoot. I was shooting in late afternoon sun and taking pics when the boat was going into the sun so there was nice light on the boarder. on the way back again the sun was behind the rider and it was impossible to see him because the light was so strong from the back. I decided to try some backlit siloghet shots and they were the best of the lot!
Are you shooting these for yourself or hired to shoot them?
Ernie |
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07/18/2007 07:36:29 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
Are you shooting these for yourself or hired to shoot them?
Ernie |
myself, thats one of my friends when we were on vacation |
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07/18/2007 08:02:03 PM · #8 |
| if you shoot tighter, you lose the wake... keep it loose. |
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07/18/2007 10:16:46 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by option:
if you shoot tighter, you lose the wake... keep it loose. |
90% of all sports shots are shot tightly, or in this case should be cropped tightly.
You can still have the wake, but, getting tighter makes the image more intimate.
Sports is about emotion, action, and environment. In that order.
Keep shooting.
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07/18/2007 10:46:13 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by session416:
cant remember the rest :) how do i check my EXIF data?
btw i was obviously limited for angles being in a boat and all |
Right click on the photo>properties>summary>advanced.
If you'd shot in landscape, you can always crop out any 'garbage'.
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07/19/2007 12:05:54 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by Man_Called_Horse:
Originally posted by option:
if you shoot tighter, you lose the wake... keep it loose. |
90% of all sports shots are shot tightly, or in this case should be cropped tightly.
You can still have the wake, but, getting tighter makes the image more intimate.
Sports is about emotion, action, and environment. In that order.
Keep shooting. |
I would disagree, when it comes to action sports. But then, I only know snow... I would imagine wake is pretty similar though. If you dont have the whole trick, the photo will never run in a magazine.
Action sports are different... the best way to see what the scene is like is to start reading magazines. Learn the top photogs, and what makes them successful. Find a photog you like and start copying his style... eventually, thatll morph into your own as you add your own artistic flavour to it.
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07/19/2007 06:55:36 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by option:
I would disagree, when it comes to action sports. But then, I only know snow...
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Exactly, you KNOW your sport. Other sports are differant. You have already accomplished one of the fundamental rules of Sports Photography.
Originally posted by option:
If you dont have the whole trick, the photo will never run in a magazine. |
Showing the "trick" as you call it look nice in your photos, and sure a magazine may pick it up. But, I don't see it on the front page of a sports news section of the paper.
Originally posted by option:
Action sports are different... |
Yep, your correct again. But per sport.
Every sport is different. You know snow. I know baseball, soccer, basketball, and football. Each one is different, but uses the same fundamental rules of thought when presenting an image.
Originally posted by option:
the best way to see what the scene is like is to start reading magazines. |
There you go, being correct again.
This thread
and this thread
good luck.
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07/19/2007 10:09:57 AM · #13 |
How much do you get for a photo that runs front page sports?
With action sports, its much easier to get published in a sports specific magazine, and the pay is pretty good for covers and full page stuff. I guarantee you, you wont see the top action sport photogs sending their stuff in to newspapers... They shoot for magazines, advertising, DVD covers, etc, but not news media.
I'm not questioning your knowledge of stick and ball sports... but I stand by my statement that magazines are the best way to learn the "rules" of action sport photography.
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07/19/2007 10:42:07 AM · #14 |
I have to point out that if you actually look in a wakeboard magazine...the photos will depend on what they are trying to push in the article.
If the article is trying to promote an event, it might be from farther back showing out of focus crowds in the background. If it is to promote a type of wakeboat, it will obviously have the boat in it.
Articles that are featuring a specific pro boarder or board will be more in tight, lots of times NOT including the wake, so you can see the boarder and the name on the board. you cannot do that if you showing the shot from way back to include the wake in the shot. Remember, the magazines survive because of the advertisers...the advertisers are the board and equipment companies. If you are shooting from way back you cannot tell a Gatorboard from a CWB, and that will not make them happy.
Buy a few magazines on the sport and then get back to me. The guy in both of the pics I posted earlier in this thread is the Ontario Provincial champion, and is sponsored by CWB boards. With the exception of the evening shot, that board needs to be in the shots as something that can be recognized.
I will be shooting this weekend at Wakestock in Toronto which is the worlds largest wakeboard event, for both the guy mentioned earlier and for the Kawartha Lakes Wakeboard Company, and I will be shooting mostly tightly cropped in, with some from farther back to show the crowds in the background to give sense of place. (per my instructions from both!) |
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07/21/2007 07:58:38 AM · #15 |
I would say the most important thing is to vary your shots, especially when learning. Don't settle into a specific zoom and orientation, and stick in the comfort zone. Try wide shots, try really zooming in, some that just include the rider. If you can, try to get even closer, just for the practice. Yes, you can always crop later, but I find it's often hard to see a cropped version from the full image. Try portrait and landscape, or 45 degrees.
As people have said, there's different scenarios for different shots. If you crop in, you can get a good intimate shot of the rider and the sponsors. If you have a wider shot, you might get a cover, or an article background, where they put words over it. Shoot burst and you can make a good sequence. Even for your own private photos, you'll want variation in your shots, so they don't all look the same. Shoot from different positions in the boat. Above the rope, under, on the other side, from the bank, from another boat.
OK, so maybe don't try to do everything at once, but try something for a while, then when you realise you're just doing the same thing over, change to something else.
Also, with something like wakeboarding, you can talk to the guy, and find out what tricks they like, what they want to see in the photos, and maybe even have some signals to ask them to do something again if it looked good and you want one more shot at capturing it. And a signal to do something different if they keep doing the same trick over. :)
Lastly, don't assume midday is the worst time of day. With a polariser and the right conditions, you can get some magic colours from the water at midday that you won't get at any other time.
Here endeth the ramblings... :) |
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07/21/2007 08:01:09 AM · #16 |
| P.S. Oh, I gotta say that with kitesurfing, I actually learned a lot about my own riding from seeing photos of myself. Like mainly that I wasn't as good as I thought I was, and I didn't really look that cool after all. :) But, it was good, as it showed me exactly what I was doing wrong, and helped me push my riding to a new level. So, if you comfortable lending your camera, get them to photo you as well, and look at the pictures. |
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