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08/13/2003 06:35:58 PM · #1 |
Where I point out a shot that I think has been badly judges - really badly judged - but the voting public.
Today: a gorgeously moody photograph.
Ed
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08/13/2003 06:39:52 PM · #2 |
| I have to agree with you here. I rated very high because I liked the layering of both angles and textures. |
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08/13/2003 06:41:03 PM · #3 |
I gave it a 5 and my disagreement with your post comment on it is where the right angles make up the strength of the composition. It's not a bad photo at all. I just didn't find much interest in the subject choice myself. There are right angles present in the photo for sure, but I don't believe they form the strength in the image. To me, they are 'extra' elements in that photo rather than the strength.
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08/13/2003 06:48:13 PM · #4 |
You possibly have a point John - when i wrote that I felt fairly clear in my mind about what I meant - but considering it further I'm not so sure: where's the dividing line between composition and image? And I think if anyone can succinctly answer that without haemorraghing their brain they deserve a ribbon.
I stronly feel that without that blurry right angle half-frame kind of thing, the image would be a hell of a lot weaker: might have to have a little play with it and see.
ed
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08/13/2003 06:55:56 PM · #5 |
The 'composition' and the 'image' are basically one in the same, IMO. The dividing line is between the 'composition' and the 'subject(s)' of the photo. What is the subject of this photo? If I had to guess, I would say the 'fountain' is the subject.
The 'composition' is the arrangement of the elements that make up the photo. Composing a photo means to position certain elements in specific areas within the frame.
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08/13/2003 07:01:06 PM · #6 |
I gave it 3 because couldn't find main subject (purpose) of the photo,sorry!
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08/13/2003 07:27:20 PM · #7 |
| I gave it a 5. It's not bad, it's just not wow. |
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08/13/2003 09:21:21 PM · #8 |
If I start voting for a challenge, I find fair to vote for all of the photos in it and, when a challenge includes more than 250 pics, that means that I have just few seconds to examine each pic.
I am not surprised then to overlook some photos, like in this case.
I gave it a 3 and I remember my thoughts during the quick examination: over-exposed.
Only now, thanks to Ed and to the description of the author, I can see the very delicate and intricate play going on in the pic.
I definitely agree with Ed regarding the relevance of the blurry right angle in the top-right side of the pic.
Actually, in my opinion, it is so relevant that it would have not been a scandal to see this photo among the winners.
I partially disagree with John regarding which is the main subject of the photo. The photo, as some other friend pointed out, is very confusing in identifying a subject, but after staring at it for more than a few seconds, I concluded that the main subject may well be the window made of nine frames (even more right angles..) because its content is the only content in focus of the pic.
Having had the chance of re-evaluating, I would have rated this pic with a 7.
The reason why I would have given it "just" a 7 is because I find my very first impression still valid. To my eyes quite a large portion of the image looks over-exposed.
Message edited by author 2003-08-13 21:22:09.
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08/13/2003 09:30:15 PM · #9 |
You don't have to study a photo for half an hour to say WOW,photo have to be made in the way to lead or expose your eyes to the main subject as soon as you look at it!
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08/13/2003 09:42:26 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by pitsaman:
You don't have to study a photo for half an hour to say WOW |
That is an excellent definition of the "WOW factor".
I stop here for the moment, because it is nearly 3 in the morning in UK and I have to sleep at least a couple of hours. =)
Goodnight!
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08/13/2003 09:48:28 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by e301:
Where I point out a shot that I think has been badly judges - really badly judged - but the voting public.
Today: a gorgeously moody photograph.
Ed |
I gave this a 6. I was conflicted as to whether the right angles gave the image its strength, and concluded that if I couldn't decide, then it derserved the benefit of the doubt.
I did not vote it higher because it's a bit busy for my taste and the multiple reflections between the mirror and the glass (giving multiple images of the leaves) is distracting. I do think it deserved higher than 4.something but again that's my opinion.
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08/13/2003 09:52:55 PM · #12 |
I have to agree with John.
The brightest point in a photograph is generally going to be the main focus point. To me it is a draw between the framed window and what is in it and the fountain spray.
I spent a lot of time trying to settle my focus point and decide what was in the bottom portion of the framed window.
Real nice photograph IMO, but not for the "Right Angle" challenge.
Just my 2 cents worth;
Calvus
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I gave it a 5 and my disagreement with your post comment on it is where the right angles make up the strength of the composition. It's not a bad photo at all. I just didn't find much interest in the subject choice myself. There are right angles present in the photo for sure, but I don't believe they form the strength in the image. To me, they are 'extra' elements in that photo rather than the strength. |
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08/13/2003 10:19:02 PM · #13 |
This is the first time I am seeing this photo as time constraints prevented me from voting for more than half of the pix. Had I seen this during the voting I would probably have given it an 8 or 9. I agree with Ed that this was rated way too low. I think this is a work of art and a very good image and one that satisfies the challenge well.
To get a little philosophical, to me, the subject is about organization vs. chaos...or maybe put another way...the wild vs the restrained...the man-made vs nature. I don't think the subject has to grab you by the collar in the first 2 milliseconds of viewing an image and say I'm it! The right angles in this photo provide a perfect juxtaposition to all of the other "busyness" going on in it. Metaphorically, you could say the right angles are the skelaton to the soft tissue of the body of this image. Without them, the rest would not hold up.
I love the mood and mystery of this image and the oriental feel to it. To me, it's got zen characteristics. It's a picture to ponder and meditate on. I can see why some would find little value in it as they are probably more geared to the western way of thinking.
Just my thoughts...jeff |
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08/13/2003 11:07:02 PM · #14 |
I read the comments and then reviewed the image again. My inial thoughts remain the same.
I saw the subject as the strong structure of the window frame (right angles) played against the delicate and random structure of the tree. The blurred white window frame is a strong element (right angle) because of it's size and an important element because it foreshadows the right angles in the window pain. The fountain servers a similar purpose by foreshadowing the delicate and random structure of the tree. I still think it's a great photograph with a lot of depth.
I don't think a photograph needs to WOW you in less than a second to be good. Sometimes it takes minute to enjoy the depth.
I don't know if the photographer saw what I did, but that is probably ok too. |
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08/13/2003 11:54:15 PM · #15 |
I agree about the image in question. It is a very nice piece of art but just wasn't perfect for the challenge. Still, it's a shame it didn't break 5. I think it's a good thing you're doing starting this thread. I often leave comments for the person that I think got screwed the worst each challenge, the person with the lowest placing that I gave an 8 or higher to. I think I will start leaving forum posts about it instead so that both myself and the photographer can get some more feedback on why it isn't where we thought it should be. I didn't get a chance to vote on the right angles challenge, but if I was going to question the voting on an image it would be mine. LOL. What say ye? If mine didn't meet the challenge I don't know what did.
Other than mine, I really liked this and thought it should have done better even though I can see how some people would have voted it low for not meeting the challenge.
Message edited by author 2003-08-14 00:00:14. |
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08/14/2003 05:17:10 AM · #16 |
One of the smaller reasons for starting this thread was that I find it a touch boring that there are so many threads where people are complaining about their own scores - I thought I'd complain about someone else's.
I can't really knock those complaint threads though - very often it's people who are new here and who are genuinely unsure of how to take the result, and have no experience of the vagaries of dpc. I'm oreyy sure I started a similar thread after my first entry, anyway. So this is penance, also.
Ed
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08/14/2003 06:17:54 AM · #17 |
| I thought it was a beautiful photograph, gave it an 8. It should indeed have done a little better in my opinion. |
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