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11/26/2002 02:25:15 PM · #26 |
I started off this week with a lofty goal of leaving a fairly indepth comment on every photo... After 3 hours I had finished 5... I'm working on a new plan :)
I have a question in that regard... Would you (the universal you) think it's better to give depth (a paragrapgh) on a few shots or a more shallow (a sentance or less) on all shots? If you think depth is better, how would you suggest choosing which get comments?
I'm currently thinkging I'll try to short and sweet most or all and put more depth on as many as I can, probably starting with the lowest scores and working up.
Thoughts?
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11/26/2002 02:25:48 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Originally posted by Sonifo:
[i]I am starting to get frustrated so I will leave for now, so I don't hurt anyones feelings.
Have a good day all and remember to comment on the bad photos and not just the good. Peace!
The chat room is a good place to go. there is a lot of photo discussion there regularly...
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I second that john. And sometimes we even talk about pictures! :-)
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11/26/2002 02:30:01 PM · #28 |
When i 'choose' which photos to comment on, i take several things into consideration.
1 - is the photograph serious? Do I feel like the photographer took the challenge seriously? If I think the photo is just entered for the heck of it, i generally would skip it.
2 - is there something standing out that could use improvement? if so, i try to comment...
I always start at the bottom of the pack after i score them. If I don't comment on everything, I get the bottom ones and then go to my favorites.
I don't usually go into deep detail during these comments. Especially with the 'critique club' getting ready to kick off, I don't think it's entirely necessary that I go into detail. Hopefully everyone will get at least one in depth critique each week beginning very soon :)
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11/26/2002 02:31:33 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
[i]Originally posted by Sonifo:
[i]I am starting to get frustrated so I will leave for now, so I don't hurt anyones feelings.
Have a good day all and remember to comment on the bad photos and not just the good. Peace!
The chat room is a good place to go. there is a lot of photo discussion there regularly...
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I second that john. And sometimes we even talk about pictures! :-)
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Sometimes? lol...
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11/26/2002 02:50:51 PM · #30 |
Sonifo: I would like to ask if you are upset about the number of comments rec'd or the quality of comments rec'd.. Quality is always better than quantity. Of any of the comments, is there at least 1 that is helpful or validating?
The Critique Club, I think, was started with this thought in mind ... to help people get quality comments.
This site is less than a year old.. other people are just as busy as you are.. we are all trying to learn and grow.
Do you have a suggestion that would improve the quality or quantity (if that is what you truely desire) of comments rather than just throwing it back into the face of those who have commented?
* This message has been edited by the author on 11/26/2002 2:49:35 PM.
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11/26/2002 03:43:49 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by Karen Bryan:
Sonifo: I would like to ask if you are upset about the number of comments rec'd or the quality of comments rec'd.. Quality is always better than quantity. commented?
Karen,
I could not agree more. I would rather have one well thought out and constructive critique than 100 "nice job, good color" comments. While I usually don't get many comments ( 8 so far), there are two that have pointed out a flaw that I missed. For that I am happy.
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11/26/2002 04:54:15 PM · #32 |
I am not frustrated at the lack of or lack of good comments. I am just saying that I take time to vote and comment on the ones I voted on. I wish other would do the same. Until then I am only going to vote on how many I get. And maybe one more like suggested. Am I thinking of myself? You bet! I need to get some sleep, and start painting and drawing instead. I am glad this new critique club is up and running. It should help those who need it the most.
I guess my problem is is that I feel bad for the ones who try to take a good photo and end up with a bad shot and don't even know it. And when they look at their score every hour seeing it go down, but no comments to give them a hint of "why". They can't get better or feel like their new found hobby was a good choice. This sight is different from some of the others. People walk around with their noses in the air. That is just how I feel. I have been here since April and know quite a few and still don't feel to welcome. Sad but true. I have tried the chat room, but can't type as fast as the others. When I read something and go to type, the subject has changed. :( Now that is frustrating! We need to get to know each other. Stop being so mad at low scores and help others including myself be better photographers. Stop trying to get the last word in. I do like the sight and will stay here, But I sure hope things will change when dpc 2 comes.
Originally posted by Karen Bryan:
Sonifo: I would like to ask if you are upset about the number of comments rec'd or the quality of comments rec'd.. Quality is always better than quantity. Of any of the comments, is there at least 1 that is helpful or validating?
The Critique Club, I think, was started with this thought in mind ... to help people get quality comments.
This site is less than a year old.. other people are just as busy as you are.. we are all trying to learn and grow.
Do you have a suggestion that would improve the quality or quantity (if that is what you truely desire) of comments rather than just throwing it back into the face of those who [i] have commented?
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11/26/2002 05:00:13 PM · #33 |
I just try to be helpful. I will not do that unless directly asked in the forums in the future... sorry if i pissed you off...
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11/26/2002 05:01:07 PM · #34 |
Not sure if I understand this correctly, lets say I have 10 comments I should comment on 20. Ok I think I can do that.
Originally posted by RiderGal:
Just a quick idea that might increase comments dramatically... if everyone tries to go by this standard, it might be nice, and we could maybe build some trust on the website!
What if when you enter a photo for the next weeks competition, you try to vote on at least half of the pictures up for this weeks competition. If we all do this then we might start getting those who received a lot of comments to possibly give more for the next challenge, which you are in! Any comments on this?
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11/26/2002 05:08:05 PM · #35 |
John, I have ask for critiques in the forums and the one I was looking to comment on my photos, didn't. That was you. I comment on most of yours that you stick in the forums. I have tried to get people to talk and show their photos. Exsample the fall photos. That was fun, but didn't last long. We need to talk and be kind. We all have difference and that is normal,but it is dealing with those difference that we all need to work on.
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I just try to be helpful. I will not do that unless directly asked in the forums in the future... sorry if i pissed you off...
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11/26/2002 05:19:37 PM · #36 |
I'm always happy to comment on photos. I get asked to do that quite a lot, and I don't always comment on photos that are posted for critique in the forums. I don't think I have ever turned down a specific request for a photo critique, but I don't always critique everything that is posted in the forums here.
On some days, I experience critique burnout.
When the "Critique Club" starts up fully, I plan to stop making comments on a majority of the photos in each challenge. I am going to focus on a few very detailed and in-depth comments. ONE of those comments is better, IMO, that 1000 "nice photo, couldda been better" comments.
If things go well, everyone who wants one, will get at least one in-depth critique on their challenge photo every week. Many photos go without any decent critiques every week.
I really enjoy offering critique. My opinion is as good as any and not as good as some.
My realization is that performing a detailed critique has been the single most powerful improvement in my own photography since I joined this site. Spending a decent amount of time WRITING down what you like and don't like about a photo and making suggestions for improvement is a lesson to both the giver and the receiver. I think that those who really want to improve their photography should give this an honest effort. Things that I write in a critique stick with me when i'm behind the camera. I remember things I say and use that to my own advantage before I release my shutter.
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11/26/2002 05:48:51 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
...My realization is that performing a detailed critique has been the single most powerful improvement in my own photography since I joined this site. Spending a decent amount of time WRITING down what you like and don't like about a photo and making suggestions for improvement is a lesson to both the giver and the receiver. I think that those who really want to improve their photography should give this an honest effort. Things that I write in a critique stick with me when i'm behind the camera. I remember things I say and use that to my own advantage before I release my shutter.
Excellently put, John. I realized long ago (while teaching a medical lab technique) that the best way to learn something (or realize what you don't know) is to explain it to someone else.
Comments do as much (or more) for the writer as the recipient. |
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11/26/2002 05:55:01 PM · #38 |
Good point psychephylax. I apparently don't have the innate capability to just produce an inspiring photo, and would appreciate constructive help with that very much.
Originally posted by psychephylax:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
[i]Photos that are inspiring usually get a lot of comments. Photos that are shocking usually get a lot of comments. Photos that have any high impact value get a lot of comments. Photos that are just average don't get a lot of comments.
If you want a lot of comments, make a photo that inspires them.
Ouch...sorry to nail you on this one John but is the point of the site not to make people better photographers? And...If you upload an average photo...Would it be not the "right" thing to do by commenting on ways of improving the photo so that it CAN be what you speak of?
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11/26/2002 06:07:16 PM · #39 |
Sonia .. I think you should look around a little in the site and not hammer people who are EXPLICITLY working on giving comments on every picture.
The site is what we make of it. true you can say people do not comment but if everybody is 'counting' the comment .. it's not going to improve.
I understand that if you do not have a lot of time it's difficult for you to comment, maybe by giving yourself a 'rule' will help you to do it. In that case .. maybe try to get a little more than what you get (that is, if you need a rule).
Probably your words have been stronger that what you meant .. but pleas e give credit to others for what they are doing.
post again the pictures you would like comment on, I am trying to comment as well ( but not all the time).
Something I promise is not for you (really I did not checked how you ask for comments) , I am just using the spot, when we put pictures in a forum for comments, we should try to be humble ( avoiding like 'I know this is a good shot, people who gave me 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 date to tell me why' .. this is nt asking for comments, this is ranting).
Anyway Sonja .. please post, please comment, please submit nd do not wait for DPC2 to do your best ... read the thread about the "critique's club" and see that there is a bunch of people that are trying to do something in a positive way and that will cost them time as well even if they might not be 'as busy' as you.
Personnaly .. each time I look at the 'Critique club' thread, it makes me happy becasue this is one of those thread where you have a bunch of people from dpchallenge going into the same direction globally and in a good direction.
Just do you best in term of comment .. if you can .. do it .. if you cannot .. skip that week and try to do a little more an other week .
Lionel
PS : oh my god .. I typed that much !
PPS : to all .. DPC2 will not solve all the problems related to human behavior !!!!
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11/26/2002 06:11:15 PM · #40 |
| We used to say, over at PhotoBlink, that a lack of comments was also a form of comment. It says 'you're not reaching us'. I think that's what John meant w/r/t the more impactful images generating more commentary. Increasing the 'wow-factor' of your photograpy isn't something that can be taught, really. What's helped me the most is looking at images by people who've got it and trying to see where it comes from. |
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11/26/2002 06:13:25 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by lionelm:
PPS : to all .. DPC2 will not solve all the problems related to human behavior !!!!
It WON'T? I thought that's what all that re-coding was all about...</sigh> |
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11/26/2002 07:42:01 PM · #42 |
I am not sure why everyone got so defencive with what this says. It just states a fact. And I am not hammering on anyone. If you comment, great, that is good. Keep it up.
Originally posted by Sonifo:
My photo last week got 8 comments. And so far I have 10 comments on this weeks photo. I will give out as many comment as I am recieving. I will give out 10 comments this week and if I get more I will give more. Sooo...If you want a comment from me YOU will have to comment more. It doesnt have to be a critique, just something simple as Nice photo. Please no rude comments, because I will email you with a "Why"? I like to hear what you have to say. Just thought I would let you know.
Sonja
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11/26/2002 07:49:24 PM · #43 |
I don't read anything as defensive in this thread. I actually read that people are just trying to understand and help.
I think everything that could be said has been said. There is either agreement with it, or disagreement. But, I do not see the need to rehash it.
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11/26/2002 08:05:07 PM · #44 |
Boy this is what I am talking about. Be nice, be kind, I am sorry if I am REHASHing it. I just want everyone to reread it so they dont get off the subject because of the last few comments made.
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11/26/2002 08:05:51 PM · #45 |
Sonja, your initial post was very friendly cooperative and spiritfull. I incline myself deeply.
Lionel
* This message has been edited by the author on 11/26/2002 8:05:38 PM. |
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11/26/2002 08:12:14 PM · #46 |
Sonifo, please understand that it is sometimes difficult to put mood into words.. I am not angry. I am not being rude.. or I am not trying to be anyway. I think I am expressing my opinion in a nice way. Sometimes we read things according to how we are feeling.
Since you reposted by answering your own post, it appeared that this was about to go in circles.
If there is something else you or someone else would like to add to this thread that is constructive, then go right ahead.
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11/26/2002 08:16:56 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by Sonifo:
Not sure if I understand this correctly, lets say I have 10 comments I should comment on 20. Ok I think I can do that.
Originally posted by RiderGal:
[i]Just a quick idea that might increase comments dramatically... if everyone tries to go by this standard, it might be nice, and we could maybe build some trust on the website!
What if when you enter a photo for the next weeks competition, you try to vote on at least half of the pictures up for this weeks competition. If we all do this then we might start getting those who received a lot of comments to possibly give more for the next challenge, which you are in! Any comments on this?
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I mean that if there are 150 entries in the competition that is being voted on, when you submit a picture, then you comment on 75 of them. Half of them... it was just an idea. |
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11/26/2002 08:45:35 PM · #48 |
I tried that and that is way to many photos to comment on. Right now I am sneaking away from the family to read the forums. They think I am doing laundry. Heehee. lol
Sonja
Originally posted by RiderGal:
Originally posted by Sonifo:
[i]Not sure if I understand this correctly, lets say I have 10 comments I should comment on 20. Ok I think I can do that.
Originally posted by RiderGal:
[i]Just a quick idea that might increase comments dramatically... if everyone tries to go by this standard, it might be nice, and we could maybe build some trust on the website!
What if when you enter a photo for the next weeks competition, you try to vote on at least half of the pictures up for this weeks competition. If we all do this then we might start getting those who received a lot of comments to possibly give more for the next challenge, which you are in! Any comments on this?
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I mean that if there are 150 entries in the competition that is being voted on, when you submit a picture, then you comment on 75 of them. Half of them... it was just an idea.[/i]
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11/26/2002 08:54:39 PM · #49 |
doing laundry as well .. but no kids .... I have an advantage there
he he he |
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11/26/2002 08:57:42 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by Sonifo:
My photo last week got 8 comments. And so far I have 10 comments on this weeks photo. I will give out as many comment as I am recieving. I will give out 10 comments this week and if I get more I will give more. Sooo...If you want a comment from me YOU will have to comment more. It doesnt have to be a critique, just something simple as Nice photo. Please no rude comments, because I will email you with a "Why"? I like to hear what you have to say. Just thought I would let you know.
Sonja
Then be sure and tell me which one is yours. Course then I comment on at least 90% of mine or so. And I do get nice coments back from the people. Only one wasn't too nice. Course I gave them a 1 on a totally out of focus I don't know what. |
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