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11/26/2002 02:42:16 AM · #1 |
...Gordon!
Another win over at dpcon :)
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11/26/2002 07:04:24 AM · #2 |
Well now what happened to keeping our shots a secret? Now everyone knows which one is his.. Everyone should follow the same rules/guidelines. Wait til the challenge is over and then post it for a contest on another website. That should include everyone.
it is a pretty image though..
* This message has been edited by the author on 11/26/2002 7:46:14 AM.
* This message has been edited by the author on 11/26/2002 7:47:57 AM. |
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11/26/2002 08:26:53 AM · #3 |
The general request is to not talk about your current entry in the forums.
So I wont do that. But we don't assign exclusive rights to dpchallenge.
Mind you I've had problems with this in the past, with two entries that had my name as an integral part. Anonymity is over-rated.
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11/26/2002 08:38:34 AM · #4 |
It's not a strict RULE to keep your photo a secret. You're allowed to know who's shot is who, but discussions ABOUT the photo in the forums aren't normally as well looked upon, simple because talking about it can point out extra good things or bad things that may change a persons vote.
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11/26/2002 08:39:37 AM · #5 |
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11/26/2002 08:42:06 AM · #6 |
sorry I was under the impression that it was best to leave all entries anonymous so nobody would have an unfair advantage. Nobody can play favourites with certain photographers this way. Just my opinion.
I didn't think it was necessarily a strict rule just something that was frowned upon... Sorry if I made a mistake. I wont worry too much about people not knowing which image is mine if I happen to win any X of the day... not that it will ever happen but we'll see.
* This message has been edited by the author on 11/26/2002 8:41:05 AM. |
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11/26/2002 08:45:57 AM · #7 |
Yes we all have opinions and are entitled to them.
In my opinion, nobody would change a vote to a photographer if they knew what photo it was, at least, not the people who take this site seriously (who happen to be the people using the forums)
I sometimes submit my shots to other sites and get opinions on them for improvment before I submit here.
Maybe Gordon did that and accidently won :)
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11/26/2002 08:46:07 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by BigSmiles:
sorry I was under the impression that it was best to leave all entries anonymous so nobody would have an unfair advantage. Nobody can play favourites with certain photographers this way. Just my opinion.
I agree that keeping a photo anonymous is probably the best idea overall. However, I'm guilty too. I post my photos on other sites for feedback. My general opinion of it is that it hurts me more than it helps me. When I do this, I usually get comments on my photos here that tell me I shouldn't do it, so I can't really see it as an unfair advantage at all.
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11/26/2002 08:46:44 AM · #9 |
I wouldn't worry about it too much. Any time that my shot has become 'public' or it has been more obvious which one was mine, my score has suffered. Co-incidentally my score dropped by 0.5 since midnight last night. So I doubt anyone gets an unfair advantage from this sort of
thing.
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11/26/2002 08:48:58 AM · #10 |
in either case I was mistaken.. I guess it's your own risk to submit an image..
when I win a "x of the day" I want a congratulations page too ;) haha |
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11/26/2002 08:54:58 AM · #11 |
gordon,
that's what happens when you share your 'balls' around the net
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11/26/2002 08:55:32 AM · #12 |
Hey I've not posted mine anywhere and my score has dropped 1!
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11/26/2002 09:01:42 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by Konador:
Hey I've not posted mine anywhere and my score has dropped 1!
With luck and time everything will drop, Ben.
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11/26/2002 09:04:38 AM · #14 |
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11/26/2002 09:08:54 AM · #15 |
BigSmiles.. although some people think anonymity is pointless, I do happen to see the validity of it. I agree with you that it could sway people's opinions.. that is just human nature and to think it could be avoided is, well, for lack of better term, naive. So, thank you for pointing it out.
Also, there is nothing to stop people from posting to another site, but if it is pointed out in a forum, it opens the door for others to see who may not have jaunted over to the "other site(s)".
I haven't looked at the link.. Gordon, I am sure congrats are in order, but since I haven't voted on this challenge, I will wait to see it.
Sorry, Ben.. I just happen to disagree on this point.
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11/26/2002 09:34:40 AM · #16 |
I explored all this Way back when. Not sure we ever
decided anything then either though...
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11/26/2002 10:23:23 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
The general request is to not talk about your current entry in the forums.
So I wont do that. But we don't assign exclusive rights to dpchallenge.
Mind you I've had problems with this in the past, with two entries that had my name as an integral part. Anonymity is over-rated.
I would agree with you here. In fact, the lack of anonymity is probably more of a negative for a recognized good photographer than it is a plus. I would bet that more people might say "oh, that's Gordon's. Well I expect better from him because ..."
Most others here will judge it fairly against everyone else (and some of us have a short term memory problem and don't remember which one is yours anyway).
* This message has been edited by the author on 11/26/2002 10:43:17 AM.
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11/26/2002 10:52:03 AM · #18 |
I have to agree with Karen on this one, though I have been guilty of doing this also. I have submitted photos for critique elsewhere but try not to submit to contests until after the week is over. I think the best thing to do in the future is not link a congrats to the photo if you know it is in the current challenge.
You can always PM a congrats.
Oops almost forgot...congrats Gordon!
* This message has been edited by the author on 11/26/2002 10:56:07 AM.
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11/26/2002 03:07:14 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by jimmsp:
Originally posted by Gordon:
[i]The general request is to not talk about your current entry in the forums.
So I wont do that. But we don't assign exclusive rights to dpchallenge.
Mind you I've had problems with this in the past, with two entries that had my name as an integral part. Anonymity is over-rated.
I would agree with you here. In fact, the lack of anonymity is probably more of a negative for a recognized good photographer than it is a plus. I would bet that more people might say "oh, that's Gordon's. Well I expect better from him because ..."
Most others here will judge it fairly against everyone else (and some of us have a short term memory problem and don't remember which one is yours anyway).[/i]
Again, I disagree.. I tend to think that if someone knows the photographer, and the photographer has a tendency to win awards or is well liked, or something, the voter/commenter might be hesitant to look at the photo and critique it honestly. I have left comments on photos, and then after the challenge discovered the identity of the photog and have had a twang of embarrassment.. ("I was telling *so and so* that they could improve the exposure if *blah blah blah*? Imagine that!! They are experienced.. They know what they are doing). It might or might not change my opinion of the photo. How many others can honestly say they wouldn't be swayed... even for a moment... if they knew the photog's identity during voting? Like I said it is human nature. You can't escape it. Drew and Langdon obviously understood this when they originally made this site to not include that info while voting. No name, then no pressure either way. People are more inclined to give an honest ratings and comments.
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11/26/2002 03:15:03 PM · #20 |
I can honestly say that knowing who took the photo does not sway my vote.
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11/26/2002 03:37:58 PM · #21 |
<<They are experienced.. They know what they are doing). It might or might not change my opinion of the photo. How many others can honestly say they wouldn't be swayed... even for a moment... if they knew the photog's identity during voting? >>
First, I have never had the opportunity here to know whose photo was whose before I voted. So I can't speak for the dpchallenge. I did learn of one after I voted, and it did not change my vote.
I do participate in another challenge (Canon challenge on dpreview) where the identity of the photographer is known. Has knowing the person swayed my vote? I don't believe so. I know it hasn't swayed my comments, except to the point of being easier on the novice and more picky on the expert. Even the experts and experienced people would tell you that most (many?) of their photos could be improved. That's one of the reasons they are here.
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