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 06/22/2007 11:55:49 PM · #126
I just want it on the record.

When I vote, and I do often, I always have to run to the bathroom to throw up.

I hate to give out low scores to people that deserve high scores, so I just give what I got, and when it is all over, I get that queasy feeling/

I used to weigh in at over 225 lbs.. I am now an 80 pound weakling, and barely can hold my camera to my eye anymore because of this site.

Thanks Langdon for the weight loss.
 06/22/2007 11:57:23 PM · #127
Originally posted by Beetle:
Originally posted by Elvis_L:

I won't try then:) just curious though do you still submit to those huge challenges?

Feel free to check my profile page. Every once in a while I enter one, and every so often I force myself to vote (always on a different challenge, though).

Don't worry, I'm not a free-loader, I still do my share.


oh i know you vote a good bit more than most people. i was kinda joking but kinda also wondering if people that don't like big challenges actually don't submit to them.
 06/22/2007 11:58:12 PM · #128
Originally posted by routerguy666:
I think the low votes/DPL conspiracy theory is bullshit.

I think more challenges/limiting the number of entries per challenge would make it easier to vote and more enticing to do so - as has been suggested by about five hundred people time and again. Certainly an order of magnitude more than the number of people who clamored for expert/minimal rulesets.

I do not understand why the suggestion goes nowhere.


because this is really really unfair to people that can only shoot on weekends. not to mention people can just use place holders.
 06/23/2007 12:00:43 AM · #129
Did you even read what I posted or just find some words to disagree with?

Add more #$%^ing challenges.

06/23/2007 12:02:21 AM · #130
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
Originally posted by routerguy666:
I think the low votes/DPL conspiracy theory is bullshit.

I think more challenges/limiting the number of entries per challenge would make it easier to vote and more enticing to do so - as has been suggested by about five hundred people time and again. Certainly an order of magnitude more than the number of people who clamored for expert/minimal rulesets.

I do not understand why the suggestion goes nowhere.


because this is really really unfair to people that can only shoot on weekends. not to mention people can just use place holders.


Ha ha - I [obviously] didn't take that into consideration...
 06/23/2007 12:06:38 AM · #131
Originally posted by routerguy666:
Did you even read what I posted or just find some words to disagree with?

Add more #$%^ing challenges.


nice demeanor thanks for the vote of confidence. what if i don't want to enter the $#%^ing challenge that is still open. I wanted to enter challenge A but it is full so now i have to enter challenge B which is something i hate or not enter at all. seems like a bad idea to me.

let me go ahead and retort for you
Make more of the same #$#%ing challenge

well then we will have two blue ribbons of the same challenge type. so people will bitch that if they had been in the other group the would have finished higher.
 06/23/2007 12:07:54 AM · #132
I replaced one character with two in my original post, to clarify.
 06/23/2007 12:11:27 AM · #133
Originally posted by routerguy666:
I replaced one character with two in my original post, to clarify.


fair enough. i think that more challenges would be good if they were exclusive.
 06/23/2007 12:14:00 AM · #134
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
Originally posted by routerguy666:
I think the low votes/DPL conspiracy theory is bullshit.

I think more challenges/limiting the number of entries per challenge would make it easier to vote and more enticing to do so - as has been suggested by about five hundred people time and again. Certainly an order of magnitude more than the number of people who clamored for expert/minimal rulesets.

I do not understand why the suggestion goes nowhere.


because this is really really unfair to people that can only shoot on weekends. not to mention people can just use place holders.


How is it unfair? I'm not jumping on you, i'm just curious?

If we had 2 member exclusive - still running sunday to sunday
and 4 open exclusive - still running tuesday to tuesday

You could still enter the same as you do now, and still shoot only weekends, but now with variety, you might get 200ish per member entry instead of 400ish, and for Opens, you might get 150ish per instead of 300ish entries. You'd still have the same submissions, but you'd have more variety and fewer submissions per challenge to vote on. And those that don't want to vote on challenges they enter, they have more challenges to vote on.

That sound a little more fair then how he said it?
 06/23/2007 12:16:26 AM · #135
Originally posted by wsl:


How is it unfair? I'm not jumping on you, i'm just curious?

If we had 2 member exclusive - still running sunday to sunday
and 4 open exclusive - still running tuesday to tuesday

You could still enter the same as you do now, and still shoot only weekends, but now with variety, you might get 200ish per member entry instead of 400ish, and for Opens, you might get 150ish per instead of 300ish entries. You'd still have the same submissions, but you'd have more variety and fewer submissions per challenge to vote on. And those that don't want to vote on challenges they enter, they have more challenges to vote on.

That sound a little more fair then how he said it?


he originally said limiting the number of shots. so if the challenge was full before i got to even shoot i would be assed out.

Message edited by author 2007-06-23 00:16:50.
 06/23/2007 12:17:01 AM · #136
ok, i musta missed that, my bad :)
 06/23/2007 12:20:24 AM · #137
The main issue is that we need to encourage not demand people to vote more. Right now, looking back at my updates on the current challenge I'm in I have received only 10 votes in a little over 24 hours. Where I received 10 votes within the first hour of voting. Currently I sit at 118 votes with only 48 hours to go.

ETA: And I am one of the ones that need encouraging. My voting has gone down.

Message edited by author 2007-06-23 00:22:51.
 06/23/2007 12:23:33 AM · #138
I really believe that the best way to encourage voting is to somehow reduce the number of entrants in each challenge. It may be time to add more open exclusives and do members exclusives.

At least, as a experiment, we should try 3 or 4 open exclusives one week.
 06/23/2007 12:25:54 AM · #139
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I really believe that the best way to encourage voting is to somehow reduce the number of entrants in each challenge. It may be time to add more open exclusives and do members exclusives.

At least, as a experiment, we should try 3 or 4 open exclusives one week.


if that happened would you vote?
 06/23/2007 12:27:38 AM · #140
Originally posted by Elvis_L:

if that happened would you vote?


It's a lot more likely.
 06/23/2007 12:42:56 AM · #141
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
Originally posted by routerguy666:
I think the low votes/DPL conspiracy theory is bullshit.

I think more challenges/limiting the number of entries per challenge would make it easier to vote and more enticing to do so - as has been suggested by about five hundred people time and again. Certainly an order of magnitude more than the number of people who clamored for expert/minimal rulesets.

I do not understand why the suggestion goes nowhere.


because this is really really unfair to people that can only shoot on weekends. not to mention people can just use place holders.


What I have put in bold is what I disagree with. I think more challenges would help a lot, but limiting the number of entries will hurt those of us who can't help that they live a life outside of photography. We are the ones that have full time jobs, are full time parents, full time cooks and are trying to start their own companies. The limit of a week can sometimes not even be enough, but is a very fair limit. If the limitation is placed on the number of entries then why have a paid membership if you find you can't participate since most entries fill up to 200 long before there are three days left. I understand that something needs to be done, but I don't want to see people penalized because they have full scheduals during the week.
 06/23/2007 01:09:48 AM · #142
This has probably been said before...but I was just thinking...why not have:

Memb Challenges (2)
Open Challenges (4)

Double the Exclusive Challenges...but one entry only..and vote only on the remaining three that you didn't enter...even with the Members...new rule if you wanna vote, vote on the one you didn't enter..
06/23/2007 01:14:27 AM · #143
Originally posted by tfarrell23:
new rule if you wanna vote, vote on the one you didn't enter..


Not sure that's a good idea. We don't want to put limits on voting. Some people would take advantage of being able to vote on opposite challenges, but I see no reason why we should force them not to vote.

Perhaps we could have it where they have to vote on the opposite challenge BEFORE they can vote on the one they are in? But, still think it's unnecessary.
06/23/2007 01:23:22 AM · #144
maybe this is a crazy idea...
but votes could work like money.
You want votes in your entry, right? so, buy them!

let's say.
- Your entry will only be available for voting if the number of votes cast is greater than the number of votes received.
- Like this, you need to vote if you want to receive votes

That's fair ;)

06/23/2007 01:29:53 AM · #145
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Not sure that's a good idea. We don't want to put limits on voting. Some people would take advantage of being able to vote on opposite challenges, but I see no reason why we should force them not to vote.

Perhaps we could have it where they have to vote on the opposite challenge BEFORE they can vote on the one they are in? But, still think it's unnecessary.


You gotta wanna vote..that's the bottom line...
 06/23/2007 01:30:26 AM · #146
Naa, limits won't help voting. From reading alot of the threads on the subject, the biggest issue voters seem to have is the sheer # of votes in a category. Would be interesting to see how much the voting picks up if entries are spread out among more challenges. And the perception of lower scores during this period could just be those that do still vote on all, could just be hitting 5's alot more or whatever they consider avg as they go thru images until something sticks out, either good or bad.

From a few of the past threads, the overall score dropped by .2000 or something which isn't much in the overall picture, but considering at the top end, .2000 could change the 2nd place almost to 14th, it does make a difference. Would be interesting to try it a few weeks here and there, doesn't even have to be consecutive, maybe 1 week during dpl, and 1 week outside of dpl season to get a baseline to compare. Maybe 1 week won't give good comparison data, but it can't hurt to think about.
 06/23/2007 01:33:54 AM · #147
I tend to think the problem will solve itself. If we just keep bitching in the forums about low votes, comments received/not received, people that are learning trying out techniques that we've grown tired of seeing, similar photos in the same challenge, trolls, bagheads, perceived good images doing badly, perceived poor images doing well, accusing everyone of trying to find ways of cheating, teams, friends, and forum threads of a personal nature...enough people will get fed up and leave and big challenges will no longer be an issue. Carry on with the fix.
 06/23/2007 01:37:20 AM · #148
Originally posted by Wildcard:
I tend to think the problem will solve itself. If we just keep bitching in the forums about..... Carry on with the fix.


:-D
 06/23/2007 01:43:11 AM · #149
Originally posted by Wildcard:
I tend to think the problem will solve itself. If we just keep bitching in the forums about low votes, comments received/not received, people that are learning trying out techniques that we've grown tired of seeing, similar photos in the same challenge, trolls, bagheads, perceived good images doing badly, perceived poor images doing well, accusing everyone of trying to find ways of cheating, teams, friends, and forum threads of a personal nature...enough people will get fed up and leave and big challenges will no longer be an issue. Carry on with the fix.


Funny, but more challenges fixes those issues. There would be more variety each week. There's more that people would feel comfortable with or to try new. Less similiar photos because the challenges would vary. There will always be people trying out new techniques, and we're all constantly learning. No one's mastered everything.
 06/23/2007 01:43:32 AM · #150
Originally posted by Wildcard:
I tend to think the problem will solve itself. If we just keep bitching in the forums about low votes, comments received/not received, people that are learning trying out techniques that we've grown tired of seeing, similar photos in the same challenge, trolls, bagheads, perceived good images doing badly, perceived poor images doing well, accusing everyone of trying to find ways of cheating, teams, friends, and forum threads of a personal nature...enough people will get fed up and leave and big challenges will no longer be an issue. Carry on with the fix.


WOW!! LOL
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