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06/20/2007 04:54:18 PM · #126 |
Eh, I like it as it is, maybe not one to say so though as I am in the DPL and have been in all 5 seasons so far so it´s nothing new for me personally. Only thing I have been noticing is a lot fewer votes than normal, not lower votes than normal. I think the lack of votes has more to do with the number of people in each challenge wich is of course has a lot to do with the DPL. I think that problem solves itself, at least for now since the DPL is mostly over except for those advancing into the playoffs.
If the next season of the DPL has as many participants, maybe it wouldn´t be a bad idea to split the member challenge into two different challenges and have them exclusive just like the open challenges are, think that would spread entries around and voters would more likely feel up for voting. |
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06/20/2007 05:03:11 PM · #127 |
I don't see the need for DPL, can't people submit a photo they have taken without being part of a team, and having team editing? Perhaps this is why many of the DPL team members insist theirs haven't gone down since DPL, but have gone up? Would this be the case if they sat at home and did whatever PP on their own and entered a shot with no comments from team members?
I assumed DPC was a competition site where individuals entered a photo to compete against others, where each worked to the best of their ability to get a good score. Maybe this isn't the case now, do we have more insecure members who can't work alone?
I don't care either way, just that I shudder when I look at the number of entries for each challenge that I have to vote on.
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06/20/2007 05:08:44 PM · #128 |
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
I ended up with a 6.5 not sure if that has anything to do with the DPL or not. But it certainly was a slap in the face.
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You scored a 12 out of over 300 and it's a slap to your face???? I wish I had that problem to complain about.
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06/20/2007 05:11:26 PM · #129 |
Originally posted by fir3bird:
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
I ended up with a 6.5 not sure if that has anything to do with the DPL or not. But it certainly was a slap in the face.
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You scored a 12 out of over 300 and it's a slap to your face???? I wish I had that problem to complain about. |
Ha, yeah a bit of a counterproductive argument :-)
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06/20/2007 05:12:52 PM · #130 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by fir3bird:
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
I ended up with a 6.5 not sure if that has anything to do with the DPL or not. But it certainly was a slap in the face.
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You scored a 12 out of over 300 and it's a slap to your face???? I wish I had that problem to complain about. |
Ha, yeah a bit of a counterproductive argument :-) |
I'm going to go with the possibility that the OP was being sarcastic. |
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06/20/2007 05:14:42 PM · #131 |
One more argument from me, I'm not going to elaborate much, but here it goes:
User JohnDoe vs. Team Ribbon Hogs (not to pick on them but the name is cool)
JohnDoe works alone on his entry, while Team Ribbon Hogs can share entries and tell each other what to fix, what to reshoot, how to make a "perfect" image. JohnDoe is at a automatic disadvantage.
Hence, if team sharing is continued to be legal, JohnDoe should not be forced to compete against the teams.
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06/20/2007 05:15:09 PM · #132 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by fir3bird:
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
I ended up with a 6.5 not sure if that has anything to do with the DPL or not. But it certainly was a slap in the face.
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You scored a 12 out of over 300 and it's a slap to your face???? I wish I had that problem to complain about. |
Ha, yeah a bit of a counterproductive argument :-) |
I'm going to go with the possibility that the OP was being sarcastic. |
Probably :-)
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06/20/2007 05:18:16 PM · #133 |
Originally posted by formerlee:
I don't see the need for DPL, can't people submit a photo they have taken without being part of a team, and having team editing? Perhaps this is why many of the DPL team members insist theirs haven't gone down since DPL, but have gone up? Would this be the case if they sat at home and did whatever PP on their own and entered a shot with no comments from team members?
I assumed DPC was a competition site where individuals entered a photo to compete against others, where each worked to the best of their ability to get a good score. Maybe this isn't the case now, do we have more insecure members who can't work alone?
I don't care either way, just that I shudder when I look at the number of entries for each challenge that I have to vote on. |
Although I have shared what I am entering into the challenges with my team-mates I have not had them edit any of my entries, even being piss-poor at editing skills. I have offered advice to my team members about what I might do different to an entry, although none of this is any different than what anyone else can and already does. Its just now that the possibility to friend vote isnt possible so I can feel better about offering to help. IMHO this whole discussion is senseless since you will never convince either side that they are wrong. And to add, yes I am scoring above my seed average in the challenges, although if you look at my profile you will find that the trend in my higher scores started before DPL when I didnt have a team to bounce an idea off of.
MattO
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06/20/2007 05:20:31 PM · #134 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
One more argument from me, I'm not going to elaborate much, but here it goes:
User JohnDoe vs. Team Ribbon Hogs (not to pick on them but the name is cool)
JohnDoe works alone on his entry, while Team Ribbon Hogs can share entries and tell each other what to fix, what to re-shoot, how to make a "perfect" image. JohnDoe is at a automatic disadvantage.
Hence, if team sharing is continued to be legal, JohnDoe should not be forced to compete against the teams. |
I could almost get behind this argument if I knew that JohnDoe was absolutely unable to get editing help in any way, shape or form, but we all know that isn't true. Tutorials, friends, a simple PM to someone asking for a little bit of help.. it's all allowed when it comes to getting help on processing.
Not to mention the fact that it's a crap-shoot as to whether you're getting decent processing advice from teammates or not. I guarantee that *our* team hasn't benefited much from everyone else's advice. heh.
It still, to me, all comes down to what I feel is a little bit of an over-zealousness to blame outside factors on one's own work, rather than on one's .. own work.
Message edited by author 2007-06-20 17:23:03. |
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06/20/2007 05:21:30 PM · #135 |
Great another conspiracy theory thread... C'mon guys give people a little credit. Prove to me beyond a reasonable doubt that anyone's average score has gone down because of the DPL...
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06/20/2007 05:26:08 PM · #136 |
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06/20/2007 05:28:19 PM · #137 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
One more argument from me, I'm not going to elaborate much, but here it goes:
User JohnDoe vs. Team Ribbon Hogs (not to pick on them but the name is cool)
JohnDoe works alone on his entry, while Team Ribbon Hogs can share entries and tell each other what to fix, what to reshoot, how to make a "perfect" image. JohnDoe is at a automatic disadvantage.
Hence, if team sharing is continued to be legal, JohnDoe should not be forced to compete against the teams. |
Why?? Don't you ever discuss your photographs with other people before a challenge?? What difference does it make if they are on your "team" or not?? Don't they usually agree not to vote on them if you share before hand??
Is this your only basis for an argument as to why the DPL should go away?? I, personally, have made a lot of new friends here because of the DPL... people I probably would never have gotten to know otherwise. I love it. This is my second season and I have made new friends both times around :)
You know I have great respect for you, Leroy. I understand where you are coming from too... but look at it this way... DPC has always been a game and will continue to be a game... this is just a new version of the game... kinda like a new Mortal Kombat :) hehe
So, treat it like the game it is... you play and you get better and better... eventually, you find a way to win :)
You got skillz and friends hon, USE EM!! :) <<<<<<<>>>>>> |
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06/20/2007 05:29:36 PM · #138 |
Originally posted by TCGuru:
Is this your only basis for an argument as to why the DPL should go away?? |
To be fair, he's never advocated DPL going away... Don't know how you came to that conclusion :) |
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06/20/2007 05:31:11 PM · #139 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Not worried about ribbons, but I am a bit concerned that perfectly lit, no flaws in technical shots that aren't DNMC are struggling with sub-5 scores. |
I read this entire thread, but went back to get this quote. I'm not attacking your opinion, but I seem to recall the same opinion being expressed -- perhaps by you -- before DPL came into existence!
As for "team feedback" -- that may be true for the top seeded players, but the main thing I've noticed is that most of the feedback we give each other on my team is ignored, or at least not acted upon. Really.
Still, even as a member of the DPL, who has thorougly enjoyed developing a relationship with my international team of beginners, I *do* have a sense that I liked this site better prior to the formation of the DPL. That said, if it's in existence, I'd rather be in it than feel like I'm on the outside.
-- Larry in NYC
Message edited by author 2007-06-20 17:32:40. |
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06/20/2007 05:31:18 PM · #140 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
Originally posted by TCGuru:
Is this your only basis for an argument as to why the DPL should go away?? |
To be fair, he's never advocated DPL going away... Don't know how you came to that conclusion :) |
LOL!! OOPS!! I suppose I should have said, "Be seperated"??? hehe |
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06/20/2007 05:35:15 PM · #141 |
No, definitely DO NOT want DPL to go away. It's great, it really is. It does bring people together. It does spread knowlege. All good things.
But should be more contained, so that those that don't want to compete in the DPL aren't forced to compete AGAINST the DPL.
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06/20/2007 05:40:48 PM · #142 |
I wanted to use DPL as a tool to bring my average UP. Getting advice from my team I thought would HELP a great deal, this is not my teams fault as I havent been on the forums much lately, but what advice I have gotten has been spot on.
I think what DPL did was pit us against each other moreso than we were competing in normal DPC challenges. I think it made some of us VOTE LOWER on entries thinking this might be a competing teams photo.
I just wanted to say I like DPL.. need to give it more time, more commitment from my part.. but I do agree that IT is bringing down my average. Hopefully it integrates itself with the site more and the 72 teams dwindle down to the committed, the voting becomes less competitive, etc..
Message edited by author 2007-06-20 17:42:07. |
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06/20/2007 05:41:21 PM · #143 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
One more argument from me, I'm not going to elaborate much, but here it goes:
User JohnDoe vs. Team Ribbon Hogs (not to pick on them but the name is cool)
JohnDoe works alone on his entry, while Team Ribbon Hogs can share entries and tell each other what to fix, what to reshoot, how to make a "perfect" image. JohnDoe is at a automatic disadvantage.
Hence, if team sharing is continued to be legal, JohnDoe should not be forced to compete against the teams. |
Hi, I'm JohnDoe. I have no help with processing. I'm not all that great at processing, especially compared to the masters at club RibbonHogs over there.
My editing in the *Advanced* Candid challenge was so basic it was, erm, Basic.
I think a challenge would pretty much suck if you took all the DPL team members out into their own little arena. Not only competition/entry wise, but also the standard & quantity of comments & votes would go through the floor. These people are the most active, most knowledgeable and most critical people on the site ... and people want to stop playing with them?
I WANT to compete against everybody. Don't try to take that away from me.
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06/20/2007 05:41:23 PM · #144 |
| Well, the benefit to shipping 500 users off to their own challenge is that the remaining challenges would be pretty small so you're right, your scores probably would go up. Of course, then we'd have to go back to blaming trolls and prudes and that's so overdone already... |
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06/20/2007 05:41:39 PM · #145 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
No, definitely DO NOT want DPL to go away. It's great, it really is. It does bring people together. It does spread knowlege. All good things.
But should be more contained, so that those that don't want to compete in the DPL aren't forced to compete AGAINST the DPL. |
So essentially you want a fotomann_forever challenge? Geeze Leroy you will compete against these people regardless if they are on a team or not. Just more people are now joining in on the fun.
MattO
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06/20/2007 05:53:19 PM · #146 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
One more argument from me, I'm not going to elaborate much, but here it goes:
User JohnDoe vs. Team Ribbon Hogs (not to pick on them but the name is cool)
JohnDoe works alone on his entry, while Team Ribbon Hogs can share entries and tell each other what to fix, what to reshoot, how to make a "perfect" image. JohnDoe is at a automatic disadvantage.
Hence, if team sharing is continued to be legal, JohnDoe should not be forced to compete against the teams. |
JohnDoe is welcome to find and work with a mentor or bounce ideas off a friend. He's even welcome to start use the forums to find either -- of course, if he does so, he and the mentor should probably not vote on each other's entries.
Mentorship and bouncing ideas off friends has existed on DPC for years before the DPL ever existed.
~Terry
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06/20/2007 05:54:10 PM · #147 |
I want to compete against everybody too... mano y mano. I can compete against anyone here... in case ya'll forgot, I have a few top 20's.
So, this argument is not about me...
If you think the argument is about me, you are sadly mistaken. My scores will stand on there own, thank you.
If I wanted it to be about me, I'd have recommended all nude challenges.
Message edited by author 2007-06-20 17:55:53.
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06/20/2007 05:59:52 PM · #148 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I want to compete against everybody too... mano y mano. I can compete against anyone here... in case ya'll forgot, I have a few top 20's.
So, this argument is not about me...
If you think the argument is about me, you are sadly mistaken. My scores will stand on there own, thank you.
If I wanted it to be about me, I'd have recommended all nude challenges. |
Come on Leroy.. if it isn't about you in some way, why even bother starting the thread. Your OP said you didn't like the fact that *YOU* had to compete against the DPL (Although I see you've edited it now to .. disguise that fact) I don't see any Turnip Trucks around here, do you? Honestly.
Message edited by author 2007-06-20 18:01:00. |
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06/20/2007 06:01:05 PM · #149 |
So good of you to take up for the little man, then.
In the future, when arguing for things unrelated to yourself, it'd probably be best not to include references to "us" and how poorly your own images are scoring in relation to what you think they should score. It confuses the rest of us. ;) |
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06/20/2007 06:04:08 PM · #150 |
If ya'll want to continue to play attack the OP, go for it, I'm not going to respond. Say whatever you want. It is YOUR opinion.
If you'd like to actually have a discussion I shall continue.
Message edited by author 2007-06-20 18:04:24.
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