Useful Critiques - DPChallenge Forums

11/20/2002 06:20:03 PM · #76

Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Originally posted by jimmsp:
[i]John,
I think most of us want to do a good job on critiquing, and want to do for those who ask for it.
A thought.
You keep with your distribution process as you have outlined it so far.
If I am critic # 1 of 20, in week one I get the photos that have placed 1,21,41,61, etc. If however, photo # 21 has not asked for a critique, I automatically move to # 22. That way #22 gets one extra one - a bonus. And if I were #22, I would love the extra critique. After #22, I return to my list, doing # 41.
All you need to do is to have an identifying check box on a photo's summary page to let us know if the artist wants a critique or not. I suppose at worst, a person makes that his first statement in the Image Details box.

Jim, in the beginning we will not be able to have the 'identifying' checkbox for the photo critique requests. This may be possible in the future, but it will not start out that way. If we prove to be successful with our critiques I will definitely look for better ways to do it.

I don't feel comfortable asking the site administrators for changes to the site until I feel that we can make this process work. I would feel really bad about asking for those changes before I felt confident that the 'critique club' is going to stick together....

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How about just using the Image Details box as a place to request a follow on critique?
Jim

11/20/2002 06:37:10 PM · #77

Jim, I think the automated check box would work best, but I just can't get that implemented right away.

I would like to start out by critiquing everything. I don't think that would really be a major task in the beginning. I think it will be less than 20 photos per person. Do you think that would be a problem until we see if this process is going to work?

11/20/2002 06:54:08 PM · #78

Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Jim, I think the automated check box would work best, but I just can't get that implemented right away.

I would like to start out by critiquing everything. I don't think that would really be a major task in the beginning. I think it will be less than 20 photos per person. Do you think that would be a problem until we see if this process is going to work?

I don't think the number will be a problem, esp if we have a few days to get it done. I just don't want to spend valuable time where someone really doesn't care - or worse, really doesn't want it.

stephan

Casio QV-4000

11/20/2002 07:07:57 PM · #79

Well, initially I think it's ok to start with 20 photos for each critic. Then we'll see how it works and if it's manageable. But in the long run I still think I would like to have max. 10 photos for in-depth critiques.

I have two ideas as possibilites to limit the number of photos:
1. Write a "site news" that everybody who wants in-depth critique sends John an email and only photos of the people who did that will be distributed to the in-depth critics. I think it has to be done just once because either someone wants in-depth critique in general or not. And it doesn't require extra programming by drew/langdon.

2. Only consider photos for in-depth critiques of photographers who are in-depth critics themselves :-)

11/20/2002 07:37:54 PM · #80

Originally posted by jimmsp:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
[i]Jim, I think the automated check box would work best, but I just can't get that implemented right away.

I would like to start out by critiquing everything. I don't think that would really be a major task in the beginning. I think it will be less than 20 photos per person. Do you think that would be a problem until we see if this process is going to work?

I don't think the number will be a problem, esp if we have a few days to get it done. I just don't want to spend valuable time where someone really doesn't care - or worse, really doesn't want it.
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jim, i agree with this. I just don't have a good solution idea yet. I believe that allowing the voter to ask for the in depth critique would probably generate about a 95% rate of requests... I'm still thinking...

Canon EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM

11/20/2002 07:40:29 PM · #81

Originally posted by stephan:
Well, initially I think it's ok to start with 20 photos for each critic. Then we'll see how it works and if it's manageable. But in the long run I still think I would like to have max. 10 photos for in-depth critiques.

I have two ideas as possibilites to limit the number of photos:
1. Write a "site news" that everybody who wants in-depth critique sends John an email and only photos of the people who did that will be distributed to the in-depth critics. I think it has to be done just once because either someone wants in-depth critique in general or not. And it doesn't require extra programming by drew/langdon.

2. Only consider photos for in-depth critiques of photographers who are in-depth critics themselves :-)

On your number two option, I beleive that would give us maybe two or three photos per week to critique. I haven't received an in depth critique on hardly anything ever....

Your number 1 option has given me another idea. I will think about that some too...

I still want 3 more volunteers :)

KarenB

Canon EOS-70D

11/20/2002 07:46:44 PM · #82

Sure, John. Good idea. I'm in if ya need/want me. :)

justine

Canon EOS-50D

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

11/20/2002 07:52:22 PM · #83

volunteer>Justine<volunteer

Alecia

Canon EOS-10D

11/20/2002 07:54:27 PM · #84

i'm in! ;)

11/20/2002 09:24:02 PM · #85

Ummm... No girls allowed.....

;) just kidding...

Thanks :)

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

11/20/2002 09:27:56 PM · #86

btw- Alecia, I need your email address....

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

11/20/2002 09:35:46 PM · #87

Hey John,

I finally had time to go through this thread from the top. I like the idea, but I'm also worried about being over-extended if I were to commit to more than 10 or so a week. I might wait a couple of weeks and see what other folks are doing first.
I highly approve of going back and doing the just-finished challenge -- it's where most of the site communication should be happening anyway. It will be helpful to have not only the EXIF and photographer's comments, but all the other comments as well. It also makes the assignments easier.
One thing which would help me know what's expected would be for you to write/post 1 or 2 example critiques. You're welcome to have at any of my photos if you want...

11/20/2002 09:36:36 PM · #88

Originally posted by stephan:
Well, initially I think it's ok to start with 20 photos for each critic. Then we'll see how it works and if it's manageable. But in the long run I still think I would like to have max. 10 photos for in-depth critiques.

I have two ideas as possibilites to limit the number of photos:
1. Write a "site news" that everybody who wants in-depth critique sends John an email and only photos of the people who did that will be distributed to the in-depth critics. I think it has to be done just once because either someone wants in-depth critique in general or not. And it doesn't require extra programming by drew/langdon.

2. Only consider photos for in-depth critiques of photographers who are in-depth critics themselves :-)

I like a version of #1. I think that everybody should be notified that such a venture is under way. Perhaps Drew could conduct a quick poll on whether someone wants to be critiqued or not - similar to the other polls. That would give us a reality check on participation ( 100% - 75%- 50%- ). I'll guess it will be about 90%.

11/20/2002 09:47:09 PM · #89

Jim, that is an excellent idea... i will pursue that one immediately.... :)

11/20/2002 10:01:47 PM · #90

Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Jim, that is an excellent idea... i will pursue that one immediately.... :)

It's up already. Now that's quick!!

* This message has been edited by the author on 11/20/2002 9:59:40 PM.

11/20/2002 10:05:19 PM · #91

Originally posted by jimmsp:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
[i]Jim, that is an excellent idea... i will pursue that one immediately.... :)

It's up already. Now that's quick!![/i]

Thank Drew :)

11/20/2002 10:25:03 PM · #92

Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Originally posted by jimmsp:
[i]Originally posted by jmsetzler:
[i]Jim, that is an excellent idea... i will pursue that one immediately.... :)

It's up already. Now that's quick!![/i]

Thank Drew :)
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I was almost going to "accuse" Drew of reading this thread, and anticipating your request. This is the kind of response, however, that makes this site the best one going.

11/20/2002 10:36:43 PM · #93

Drew doesn't post a lot, but I can assure you that he stays on top of most of these threads...

11/21/2002 06:04:15 AM · #94

Any more volunteers?

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM III

11/21/2002 07:35:49 AM · #95

Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Any more volunteers?

I'd be interested in seeing the results of the poll. Best results will probably come on Monday after everybody logs on to post their pics on Sun night and see the results on Mon am.

shutterfly

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

11/21/2002 08:14:20 AM · #96

John, i would really like to be involved in this, like someone had said earlier, i comment on the few that i vote on first and then never get to comment on the others, i think this is a great idea..count me in.

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 ED

11/21/2002 08:15:58 AM · #97

Currently, our estimations were correct though... I will post the results here after Monday...

Natasha

Nikon D50

11/21/2002 08:29:04 AM · #98

I would be happy to do this, if you need more volunteers. I think that in the process I would learn as much as the receiver of the Critique.

emorgan49

Olympus E-5

Olympus 50mm f/1.8 MF Normal Zuiko

11/21/2002 10:09:28 AM · #99

I'll do it. My training is more along the art school composition type stuff, weaker on the digital aspects (but I'm learning fast). Ellen