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 05/08/2007 11:54:20 AM · #26
Originally posted by levyj413:
Originally posted by marbo:

Not one person said anything about the size of this...

What would I have said? You met the rules, so why would I complain to you? ...

SJCarter's photo BTW. :)

As for complaining, not sure that marbo said "complaint", but rather no one said "anything". Semantics? Yes, but in this case, relevant.

I made a comment or two on some Free Study photos that were in portrait orientation, that used 720 pixels. My comments weren't negative, just an observation, that I had to scroll to see the entire image.

Is this important? Maybe. It's certainly something for the photographer to think about when submitting an image for viewer feedback, i.e. voting. Does the photo lose impact if it's not seen all at one glance? If yes, it could factor into scoring - perhaps only in a small way.
 05/08/2007 12:00:16 PM · #27
Originally posted by kirbic:
... It is possible, with IE as the browser and using F11 "full screen" mode, to see the entire 720x720 picture. It's still necessary to scroll to vote, ...

15" monitor, 1024x768 resolution...using F11 I still need to scroll (not much, but still cannot take in the entire image without distraction) to see the entire image. To vote requires scrolling a little farther.

Originally posted by kirbic:
Perhaps, before considering a global change to 720px, it would be better to fine-tune the voting page to:
- Make best use of vertical space
- Enable keypad voting natively so that IE users can also benefit

Agreed.
 05/08/2007 12:00:58 PM · #28
Originally posted by inshaala:
Originally posted by kirbic:

The "keypad voting" add-on for Firefox also does a really nice thing. It automatically places the top of the image at the top of the screen.


Urm - do tell :)


Go here.
 05/08/2007 12:06:28 PM · #29
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by inshaala:
Originally posted by kirbic:

The "keypad voting" add-on for Firefox also does a really nice thing. It automatically places the top of the image at the top of the screen.


Urm - do tell :)


Go here.


nice one! thanks :)
 05/08/2007 12:24:56 PM · #30
Originally posted by marbo:
Pushing F11 would help the 56.84% :)
Not one person said anything about the size of this


Yes...F11 is a friend when needing to see more. I don't think enough people know that and it would change many minds...I think. I'm for proposition 720!!
 05/08/2007 12:42:34 PM · #31
Well, let's have the poll. I think we've reached our time for growth to 720. What really upset me was the last challenge that allowed 720 and I missed the extra rules. I got some feedback that some would have voted higher if I had entered a full size image. Let's make the change.
 05/08/2007 12:46:43 PM · #32
Your public have spoken...

DPC. ARE YOU LISTENING!!

(and can we push it through for the Cultural Events challenge? ta very much)

Message edited by author 2007-05-08 12:47:12.
 05/08/2007 12:46:47 PM · #33
Originally posted by marbo:
Pushing F11 would help the 56.84% :)

Does F11 work on a Mac using Safari?

Even using Firefox on a crap Dell (at work), hitting F11 only helps if I don't have any tabs open. Otherwise, I'm still scrolling.

If those of you demanding 720 pixels would like to make a donation to the Buy Elemess A Bigger Monitor Fund, I'll email you my Paypal account number to make your contribution that much easier to make. Until then, 640 pixels works just fine, thank you.
 05/08/2007 12:48:23 PM · #34
The debate about image theft, etc...usually shows up when larger image sizes (i.e. 720x720) gets discussed.

I would like to see DPChallenge implement an automatic watermark overlay on challenge entry photos after the challenge has finished voting. Several stock image sites use this, one that I belong to (ShutterPoint) even let's you customize the watermark (but that's a manual item - automated would be better probably).

Any more feedback on this?
 05/08/2007 12:51:03 PM · #35
Originally posted by glad2badad:
The debate about image theft, etc...usually shows up when larger image sizes (i.e. 720x720) gets discussed.

I would like to see DPChallenge implement an automatic watermark overlay on challenge entry photos after the challenge has finished voting. Several stock image sites use this, one that I belong to (ShutterPoint) even let's you customize the watermark (but that's a manual item - automated would be better probably).

Any more feedback on this?


I have seen some rather worrying examples of upsizing from an 800px to camera output kind of size at print quality. So yeah i'm all for that kind of copy protection :)
 05/08/2007 12:51:34 PM · #36
Originally posted by glad2badad:
The debate about image theft, etc...usually shows up when larger image sizes (i.e. 720x720) gets discussed.

I would like to see DPChallenge implement an automatic watermark overlay on challenge entry photos after the challenge has finished voting. Several stock image sites use this, one that I belong to (ShutterPoint) even let's you customize the watermark (but that's a manual item - automated would be better probably).

Any more feedback on this?


Very fair point Glad, but to be honest, i could use Genuine Fractals to upsize a 640px image to 720 with no loss of quality at all.

I think once images start hitting 1024 then we would have a problem.
 05/08/2007 12:55:14 PM · #37
Originally posted by Simms:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
The debate about image theft, etc...usually shows up when larger image sizes (i.e. 720x720) gets discussed.

I would like to see DPChallenge implement an automatic watermark overlay on challenge entry photos after the challenge has finished voting. Several stock image sites use this, one that I belong to (ShutterPoint) even let's you customize the watermark (but that's a manual item - automated would be better probably).

Any more feedback on this?


Very fair point Glad, but to be honest, i could use Genuine Fractals to upsize a 640px image to 720 with no loss of quality at all.

I think once images start hitting 1024 then we would have a problem.

Well, I brought it up not so much specifically for the 720x720 issue (although I figured the theft concern would be mentioned soon)...I would like to see an automatic watermark for all challenge entry photos regardless of size.
 05/08/2007 01:53:22 PM · #38
Ahhh...another rekindled contraversy. :D
05/08/2007 02:01:54 PM · #39
Another site I frequently visit already had a policy of 800x800 and a couple of months ago went to 1000x1000 @ 300kb. All the other photosites I like are at 800x800 minimum.

DPC is so lagging behind with 640x640. 720 would also be a strange standard, go to 800.

Message edited by author 2007-05-08 14:02:35.
 05/08/2007 02:03:33 PM · #40
Originally posted by Azrifel:
Another site I frequently visit already had a policy of 800x800 and a couple of months ago went to 1000x1000 @ 300kb. All the other photosites I like are at 800x800 minimum.

DPC is so lagging behind with 640x640. 720 would also be a strange standard, go to 800.


And then an even smaller percentage would be able to see portrait-oriented images without scrolling.

As it is, I regularly knock my vertical shots down to 600.
 05/08/2007 02:11:21 PM · #41
Until DPC can find a way to protect our images, I think the 640 x 150K is safer than going larger.
Watermarking, if done to ALL images, will become something we will in time learn to ignore and see right past it. It is still the best means of protection, though nothing is safe, not even the shrink-wrapping under a clear gif to prevent the right-click-save-as.
(very easy one-click way around it in Firefox)
The file renaming was a good thought as an eye-opener, but means absolutely nothing to someone wanting to take it.

As DPC's images get better due to better equipment and larger in size, theft is going to get out of hand.
I love the detail a larger image reveals, but not at that cost - BTDT.
 05/08/2007 02:28:40 PM · #42
Originally posted by Brad:
Until DPC can find a way to protect our images, I think the 640 x 150K is safer than going larger.
Watermarking, if done to ALL images, will become something we will in time learn to ignore and see right past it. It is still the best means of protection, though nothing is safe, not even the shrink-wrapping under a clear gif to prevent the right-click-save-as.
(very easy one-click way around it in Firefox)
The file renaming was a good thought as an eye-opener, but means absolutely nothing to someone wanting to take it.

As DPC's images get better due to better equipment and larger in size, theft is going to get out of hand.
I love the detail a larger image reveals, but not at that cost - BTDT.


AGREE!
 05/08/2007 02:31:27 PM · #43
This is a learning site. One of the ways people learn is by working within restrictions. Making a photo look good at a small size is going to be an important skill -- most photos used on sites around the Web are a lot smaller than 640 pixels anyhow ... maybe we should cut it down to 600x600 @ 120kb ... : )
 05/08/2007 02:32:52 PM · #44
I'm using 1600x1200 on a 22" monitor. Screw everyone else!! 960 max length! YAY!!!
 05/08/2007 02:34:55 PM · #45
Well I might be able to see a 720 pic on my Samsung 19 inch monitor hooked up to my desktop PC. But not on my 14 inch laptop PC which is what I am normally using. Yes, the 720 size fits the screen using F11 and normally I like to view anything in full screen just because there is no need to have the tool bars and things blocking the top part of the screen and wasting the full viewing dimension of the screen.

800 would be a problem though. We are getting to an evolution phase with computers. All standard machines now have what was considered top of the line 10 years ago. So when everyone in time upgrades newer components to better make use of the technology improvements we will have no problem. I wish I had a projector or a 50 inch widescreen to hook up as a monitor.

Then we could upload images to a life size poster challenge!

But then the download time would be outrageously slow!

I have DSL myself. Having used Cable in the past, DSL is a better value.
05/08/2007 02:45:19 PM · #46
Originally posted by GeneralE:
This is a learning site. One of the ways people learn is by working within restrictions. Making a photo look good at a small size is going to be an important skill -- most photos used on sites around the Web are a lot smaller than 640 pixels anyhow ... maybe we should cut it down to 600x600 @ 120kb ... : )


Yes I think you have a very good point here. The more image space added the more it will separate those who are trying to learn and those who are really good.

Those who are trying to learn will get voted even worse and those who are already good will have more space to work with and wow us even more.

I think 640 is fine. We must compromise so lets go with 680 eh?
 05/08/2007 02:52:48 PM · #47
Originally posted by Brad:
Until DPC can find a way to protect our images, I think the 640 x 150K is safer than going larger.
Watermarking, if done to ALL images, will become something we will in time learn to ignore and see right past it. It is still the best means of protection, though nothing is safe, not even the shrink-wrapping under a clear gif to prevent the right-click-save-as.
(very easy one-click way around it in Firefox)
The file renaming was a good thought as an eye-opener, but means absolutely nothing to someone wanting to take it.

As DPC's images get better due to better equipment and larger in size, theft is going to get out of hand.
I love the detail a larger image reveals, but not at that cost - BTDT.


Completely disagree. DPC is a voluntary site. If you really felt your images are gonna be or currently are being stolen, then simply do not submit any images here. I won't even get into the technicals of a "stolen" image, but honestly it just doesn't matter. People who worry about stolen images have read one too many "Business on Photography" books or lingered too long on the vagaries of human criminality.

Fact of the matter is, 640px is just too small. 720px is better. DPC is foremost about enjoying photography. And to see some of the great images here a bit better is absolutely worth "the risk" of theft. Watermarking on a site like this should never ever happen.
 05/08/2007 03:10:26 PM · #48
I cant see what all the fuss is about regarding stolen images..

"Stolen" to the majority here means someone has liked their image and put it on Flickr.

If you think you're image is worth big bucks, dont post it on here anyway.

Simple as.
 05/08/2007 03:22:21 PM · #49
Originally posted by Cutter:
People who worry about stolen images have read one too many "Business on Photography" books or lingered too long on the vagaries of human criminality.

Well the day you see your daughter's face on an x-rated image on the web, then come back and tell me about books. I've never read any. I didn't need to - my gut told me all I needed to know. I also didn't appreciate seeing some of my shots in places like Flickr and MySpace. No personal attack, just a rebuttal.

For those running super-duper-hyper-sized monitors and resolutions, a 640px image is very small and can see why you would want larger. For the majority of the members, as the poll results show, 1024x768 seems to be the most popular size. Those running hyper-sizes, change the resolution during voting and see the 640px images up close. Making the final editing adjustments on the resolution most popular is also a way to see in better detail, what the masses are seeing.
 05/08/2007 03:32:04 PM · #50
Originally posted by Brad:
Originally posted by Cutter:
People who worry about stolen images have read one too many "Business on Photography" books or lingered too long on the vagaries of human criminality.

Well the day you see your daughter's face on an x-rated image on the web, then come back and tell me about books. I've never read any. I didn't need to - my gut told me all I needed to know. I also didn't appreciate seeing some of my shots in places like Flickr and MySpace. No personal attack, just a rebuttal.

For those running super-duper-hyper-sized monitors and resolutions, a 640px image is very small and can see why you would want larger. For the majority of the members, as the poll results show, 1024x768 seems to be the most popular size. Those running hyper-sizes, change the resolution during voting and see the 640px images up close. Making the final editing adjustments on the resolution most popular is also a way to see in better detail, what the masses are seeing.


I have a good feel for you Brad, and almost never would take what you say as "personal". No worries at all. I would hope the same for my opinions.

And in regards to the inexcusable abuse of your images...that sucks. It just seems to me when most people talk about watermarking and such, they are referring to their "property" and potential lost income/rights/etc....as opposed to abuse of other kinds. But hey, as I said, if it was too big a problem or annoyance, I would recommend people post pictures on DPC that don't have the potential for abuse. Its unfortunate, but at least a preemptive strike.
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