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05/07/2007 04:25:45 PM · #1726 |
| A Team Suck member found my Free Study!!! WOO HOO!!! That be comment #2, and makes it all worth the effort. :-) |
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05/07/2007 04:58:21 PM · #1727 |
Originally posted by Greetmir:
Originally posted by Greetmir:
Wahhhh ... I was hoping to get at least a 6 with this ...
... oh well ... |
POOK ... I was looking for some comfort too Melithia ... and I did not get a word ... don't let the scores get you down ... |
Greetmir, don't let it get you down, please. I think triptych was an unusually difficult challenge - there were some stunning entries. I found your flowers to be lovely, but I wasn't a huge fan of the framing. It was creative, but for some reason (maybe the color? maybe the Benz association?) it didn't quite work for me. But you know what? It showed a couple of things: a) you have a lot of technical skill, as the flowers were overall well-exposed and nicely seen and b) you have some really cool OOB ideas. Keep on truckin!
Message edited by author 2007-05-07 16:58:58. |
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05/07/2007 05:02:28 PM · #1728 |
Originally posted by Greetmir:
POOK ... I was looking for some comfort too Melithia ... and I did not get a word ... don't let the scores get you down ... |
A bunch of us left you comments that you haven't even seen yet... :-) |
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05/07/2007 05:05:06 PM · #1729 |
| I don't like OOBie entries. If a challenge lays down specific rules, why try to bend them or go 'OOB'? If you can't be bothered to keep to the challenge topic, why bother entering?? |
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05/07/2007 05:14:06 PM · #1730 |
Originally posted by formerlee:
I don't like OOBie entries. If a challenge lays down specific rules, why try to bend them or go 'OOB'? If you can't be bothered to keep to the challenge topic, why bother entering?? |
to enter, to try something new, to have fun, to get a rise out of those who don't think/see/create OOB.
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05/07/2007 05:18:24 PM · #1731 |
Originally posted by kashi:
Originally posted by formerlee:
I don't like OOBie entries. If a challenge lays down specific rules, why try to bend them or go 'OOB'? If you can't be bothered to keep to the challenge topic, why bother entering?? |
to enter, to try something new, to have fun, to get a rise out of those who don't think/see/create OOB. |
That doesn't cut any ice with me. We are in a challenge site and the guidelines are there. If you are asked to shoot a green box, but enter a blue circle, is that OOB or just plain pushing the rules?? What is this with think/see/create OOB? Why bother with guidelines and challenge rules? If you can't comply with the instructions, does it become a personal challenge to see what you can get away with?
It confuses me, this whole OOB thing. I try to find something that fits the challenge, not bend or ignore the rules.
Message edited by author 2007-05-07 17:19:09. |
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05/07/2007 05:28:34 PM · #1732 |
If the challenge is to picture a green box and you enter a blue circle then you're probably as daft as a brush. If, on the other hand, a far more likely scenario should arise and you interpret, say, 'perspective' as different attitudes/points of view/fortunes and in addition take a picture that you can't resist entering because, quite rightly, you feel that you've really found emotive expression in a photograph of two different people side by side, then prepare to be spat out by the voting machine that reacts to the lack of obvious vanishing points.
Gerrit? Never mind. The point of the OOBie is described in the OOBie thread. |
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05/07/2007 05:35:51 PM · #1733 |
Well.....I was hoping to get some input on my first triptych. I guess to a certain extent, it wasn't "correct" in that it wasn't a progression, but the shots were all of a theme, and there was some tongue-in-cheek OOB effort.
The title was a pretty standard MCP type of association of coffee klatsch innuendo and shopping spree allusion.
And what it is was a totally female showing at the dragstrip.
That seriously badass Camaro is a top-of-the-heap racecar that a young woman drives who is faster than the guy that owns and built the car.
And every single one of those dragsters is driven by a young woman.
I am just amused by the presence of these fine young female drivers at a venue predominantly considwered to be a male bastion.....and I thought it would make an interesting statement to this cerebral, irony appreciating bunch at TS.
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05/07/2007 05:38:06 PM · #1734 |
Originally posted by formerlee:
I don't like OOBie entries. If a challenge lays down specific rules, why try to bend them or go 'OOB'? If you can't be bothered to keep to the challenge topic, why bother entering?? |
That's not really the place that an OOB entry makes it anyway.....where an OOB effort does well is in the case of when the guidelines are vague, or in the case of when they're N/A, to utilize some imagination in your interpretatiion of the name oif the challenge.
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05/07/2007 05:58:13 PM · #1735 |
Originally posted by formerlee:
That doesn't cut any ice with me. We are in a challenge site and the guidelines are there. If you are asked to shoot a green box, but enter a blue circle, is that OOB or just plain pushing the rules?? What is this with think/see/create OOB? Why bother with guidelines and challenge rules? If you can't comply with the instructions, does it become a personal challenge to see what you can get away with?
It confuses me, this whole OOB thing. I try to find something that fits the challenge, not bend or ignore the rules. |
Have you looked at the OOBIE winners? Can you honestly tell me that they ignored the challenge? If you are a fan of strict guideline-following to get the best score possible, then why are you on Team Suck? |
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05/07/2007 06:02:41 PM · #1736 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by formerlee:
That doesn't cut any ice with me. We are in a challenge site and the guidelines are there. If you are asked to shoot a green box, but enter a blue circle, is that OOB or just plain pushing the rules?? What is this with think/see/create OOB? Why bother with guidelines and challenge rules? If you can't comply with the instructions, does it become a personal challenge to see what you can get away with?
It confuses me, this whole OOB thing. I try to find something that fits the challenge, not bend or ignore the rules. |
Have you looked at the OOBIE winners? Can you honestly tell me that they ignored the challenge? If you are a fan of strict guideline-following to get the best score possible, then why are you on Team Suck? |
Cos my scores suck, that's why I am here, but if I am not wanted, then fine! Although it seems anyone can join here now, regardless of their suckiness. Perhaps its time I gave up with DPC, cos it isn't a challenge site in the strict sense of the word anymore, it is a bend it, reshape it and PP it site. Does that answer your question, or is that I am not an American, so I don't know what I am talking about?
Message edited by author 2007-05-07 18:03:12. |
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05/07/2007 06:10:56 PM · #1737 |
Originally posted by formerlee:
Cos my scores suck, that's why I am here, but if I am not wanted, then fine! Although it seems anyone can join here now, regardless of their suckiness. |
Ah, well this is understandable. I think you're right that Team Suck has been undergoing something of a transformation. It started as a way for poor scorers to commiserate with each other, and it can still be that for you, but new ideas have been added about creativity and fun, and these ideas have been embraced not only within Team Suck but outside of it as well. You don't have to agree with it, but Team Suck is not going to contract to a purer form for you, so you will have to live with it.
Originally posted by formerlee:
Perhaps its time I gave up with DPC, cos it isn't a challenge site in the strict sense of the word anymore, it is a bend it, reshape it and PP it site. |
Isn't that a different argument? About what is photographic? There are people on both sides of that issue, in Team Suck and the site as a whole.
Originally posted by formerlee:
Does that answer your question, or is that I am not an American, so I don't know what I am talking about? |
Um... did you just pull the race card? Truth is, I'm actually kind of into unamericans... it's a kink of mine. |
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05/07/2007 06:16:33 PM · #1738 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by formerlee:
Cos my scores suck, that's why I am here, but if I am not wanted, then fine! Although it seems anyone can join here now, regardless of their suckiness. |
Ah, well this is understandable. I think you're right that Team Suck has been undergoing something of a transformation. It started as a way for poor scorers to commiserate with each other, and it can still be that for you, but new ideas have been added about creativity and fun, and these ideas have been embraced not only within Team Suck but outside of it as well. You don't have to agree with it, but Team Suck is not going to contract to a purer form for you, so you will have to live with it. |
Or maybe you don't have to live with it. There may be others at Team Suck who see things the way you do, who are fully comfortable with how challenges work and see their goal as getting higher scores. Maybe Team Suck can accommodate this group or it can blossom into its own group. |
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05/07/2007 06:20:01 PM · #1739 |
Originally posted by formerlee:
Cos my scores suck, that's why I am here, but if I am not wanted, then fine! Although it seems anyone can join here now, regardless of their suckiness. Perhaps its time I gave up with DPC, cos it isn't a challenge site in the strict sense of the word anymore, it is a bend it, reshape it and PP it site. Does that answer your question, or is that I am not an American, so I don't know what I am talking about? |
Nobody said you weren't wanted. Just that Team Suck is not specifically here for competitiveness - some of us suck, some don't, some just have the suck mindset. Team Suck isn't about sucking (aka bad photography), but about Sucking (aka not meeting the normally perceived view of "quality" on DPC).
It's about bolstering one another, supporting one another, and enhancing creativity. That creativity is the "out of the box" thinking - something that goes BEYOND the challenge descriptions. Doesn't ignore them, but takes them further than simple face value.
As for not being American - neither am I, and on such a vastly populated site, I doubt it makes a difference beyond the occasional vocabulary mishap.
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05/07/2007 08:25:33 PM · #1740 |
Originally posted by formerlee:
I don't like OOBie entries. If a challenge lays down specific rules, why try to bend them or go 'OOB'? If you can't be bothered to keep to the challenge topic, why bother entering?? |
ok so I had to go way back to 2004, but I did find this:
The challenge description does not say "black square". And without a title, this is just a black square. However, WITH the title, it's actually quite funny. WITH the title, it suddenly becomes a conversation piece of - "hey does this meet the challenge or not?" And WITH the title, it becomes more than a black square. It becomes a picture that forces one to think outside the box.
I don't think a lot of people go into a challenge saying - "HA! I am gonna mess with the voters minds and come up with a pic that skirts the edge of the challenge description!" First it starts with the photographer's interpretation of the the words. Then we translate the words into an image. And then of course, it ultimately comes down to how the VIEWER interprets the picture.
Maybe you are just having a bad day? If so, I hope your day gets better and maybe soon you will see that it's actually kind of fun to be a supporter of OOB.
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05/07/2007 08:43:20 PM · #1741 |
Originally posted by formerlee:
I don't like OOBie entries. If a challenge lays down specific rules, why try to bend them or go 'OOB'? If you can't be bothered to keep to the challenge topic, why bother entering?? |
And what would you call your profile shot?? :P |
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05/07/2007 08:54:46 PM · #1742 |
| I spent all weekend looking for a cultural event. Its too hot for a hog killing and way too early to make molasses and cant find anyone needing to build a barn, Whats a feller to do? |
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05/07/2007 08:55:46 PM · #1743 |
Originally posted by JuliBoc:
Originally posted by formerlee:
I don't like OOBie entries. If a challenge lays down specific rules, why try to bend them or go 'OOB'? If you can't be bothered to keep to the challenge topic, why bother entering?? |
And what would you call your profile shot?? :P |
Just a quick chime in. I recently won an OOBie and I was so happy about that. However, it wasn't my intention to go out and shoot an OOBie shot. Instead when I go out with my camera I am going out to shoot something which is "new", well at least for me.
Anyone can shoot the Eiffel Tower, but the real trick is finding a shot of the Eiffel Tower that no one else is done before. Honestly that is the hard part, and it gets harder every day with some many great photographers (including Team Suck) out there taking pictures.
You can take normal shot, there is nothing wrong with that. I do the same, especially with genre's I don't normally shoot (such as my Sports shoot, very atypical).
As long as you feel you are accomplishing what you want with photography that is all that matters. If you are not then maybe Team Suck (and others) can help find what you are looking for.
Now talk about stretching my boundaries, that 30 day B&W is really stretching my limits on finding "convincing" images everyday. I'm struggling.
Message edited by author 2007-05-07 20:57:16. |
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05/07/2007 09:11:56 PM · #1744 |
| The great thing about Team Suck, and the whole OOB thing, at least for me, is that it gives me more courage to enter something that fits a different definition than the "standard" one and know I am among friends. In fact, I've got one submitted for an upcoming challenge that may be a contender for the brown - both because the photo technique is unorthodox and also because it is an unusual interpretation of the challenge. But I find it a valid interpretation, or I wouldn't enter it. Many probably will not. But at the end of the day my buddies here will give me honest - yet kind- feedback. |
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05/07/2007 09:15:59 PM · #1745 |
Originally posted by griz210:
I spent all weekend looking for a cultural event. Its too hot for a hog killing and way too early to make molasses and cant find anyone needing to build a barn, Whats a feller to do? |
I gave the Cultural Event a lot of thought, and finally realized that almost everything we do is a cultural event. Anything that is not inborn is cultural. An event doesn't have to be a celebration. So going to church is a cultural event. Going to the beach on the weekend is a cultural event. Having a meal with friends is a cultural event. And planting flowers in your garden is a cultural event. In my OOB opinion. |
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05/07/2007 09:38:50 PM · #1746 |
Some recent OOBIEs:
        
All of these fit within the challenge definitions. I have no idea what the concern is. There is no harm in recognizing photographs that are interesting but are not well received by the general dpchallenge public. |
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05/07/2007 10:13:43 PM · #1747 |
| Mary, that's a great display. It's really good seeing them all together like that. Who can argue with that? |
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05/07/2007 10:21:09 PM · #1748 |
| I probably need to store the OOBIEs somewhere together as Suck History. |
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05/07/2007 10:29:54 PM · #1749 |
woo ! Just got a team-suck comment on my free study !
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05/07/2007 10:30:53 PM · #1750 |
Originally posted by quiet_observation:
I probably need to store the OOBIEs somewhere together as Suck History. |
You could post them in the Challenge Results thread.
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