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 07/17/2003 02:02:11 PM · #1
I am fairly new to DPchallenge and have read the challenge rules, what I want to know if how much editing is allowed. Ok so I can use blur fliters, but can I duplacte the image to a new layer, blur that layer and give it an opacity..?? I just want to be clear, because originally i thought that converting to duo tones and stuff wasn't allowed but it appears (tell me if I am wrong) that is ok...??

Thanks in advance

Aaron
 07/17/2003 02:03:56 PM · #2
this should answer all of your questions:

Challenge Rules
Originally posted by anderaaron:
I am fairly new to DPchallenge and have read the challenge rules, what I want to know if how much editing is allowed. Ok so I can use blur fliters, but can I duplacte the image to a new layer, blur that layer and give it an opacity..?? I just want to be clear, because originally i thought that converting to duo tones and stuff wasn't allowed but it appears (tell me if I am wrong) that is ok...??

Thanks in advance

Aaron

 07/17/2003 02:44:45 PM · #3
Yep, you always wanna follow the rules.
But you can take it really far, and still stay within the boundaries.
See this image, for example.
 07/17/2003 02:55:01 PM · #4
Originally posted by Gracechild7:
Yep, you always wanna follow the rules.
But you can take it really far, and still stay within the boundaries.
See this image, for example.

Grace,
I was just looking at your picture and the list of steps that you took. Do you always keep such stringent records, or is this just an example? Is there a way to record what you do to a picture within PS, or do have to do it manually? By the time a get through with mine I don't know exactly what I did, sure I can look at the history but it doesn't show the amounts etc.
Thanks,
Dick
 07/17/2003 02:59:50 PM · #5
Actually, some friends and I were doing an exercise on staying within the rules, and since we were pretty confident that it would get a DQ request, we kept very careful track so that there would be no question that it was legit.

I have another photo from that same shoot that underwent the same process that I actually like much more, but this seemed to fit the challenge better (even if most voters didn't agree).
 07/17/2003 04:31:20 PM · #6
Originally posted by autool:
Is there a way to record what you do to a picture within PS, or do have to do it manually? By the time a get through with mine I don't know exactly what I did, sure I can look at the history but it doesn't show the amounts etc.
Thanks,
Dick

There's no good way to keep track. One way is to take a screenshot of each dialog box just before you apply the effect. This has the advantage of giving you a visual reference (like the graph in the Curves box) and maybe a sample of how it affects the photo. Screenshots typically take less than 1mb each.

You can also make a little form to fill out, with spaces for your most commonly-used adjustment settings.
 07/17/2003 04:39:52 PM · #7
Originally posted by anderaaron:
I am fairly new to DPchallenge and have read the challenge rules, what I want to know if how much editing is allowed. Ok so I can use blur fliters, but can I duplacte the image to a new layer, blur that layer and give it an opacity..?? I just want to be clear, because originally i thought that converting to duo tones and stuff wasn't allowed but it appears (tell me if I am wrong) that is ok...??

Thanks in advance

Aaron

To answer your question specifically, you cannot duplicate to a second layer, blur that layer and make it partially transparent, because using multiple layers are not allowed. However, for a similar effect, apply your blur filter as you would to a second layer, and then immediately under the edit menu (at least in PS 7) chose to fade the blur you just added. The result is a partially transparent blur that is DPC legal. I used this technique on this shot.
 07/17/2003 05:34:21 PM · #8
Originally posted by Gracechild7:
Yep, you always wanna follow the rules.
But you can take it really far, and still stay within the boundaries.
See this image, for example.


I've always loved that shot, Nicky. But Aaron, look at some of the comments on Nicky's shot; prepare for such *photography vs. digital art" comments if you do radical things that may still be DPC legal. But I'm sure glad some folks still do them!

Message edited by author 2003-07-17 17:36:08.
 07/17/2003 05:49:28 PM · #9
Hey, I've always wondered: is the Replace Color... editing tool in Photoshop allowed? I've always thought not, and so have never used it in a challenge, but life would sometimes be easier if it were allowed.

Message edited by author 2003-07-17 17:49:50.
 07/17/2003 05:49:40 PM · #10
Originally posted by Gracechild7:
Yep, you always wanna follow the rules.
But you can take it really far, and still stay within the boundaries.
See this image, for example.

Or this.
 07/17/2003 08:46:03 PM · #11
Originally posted by dsidwell:
Hey, I've always wondered: is the Replace Color... editing tool in Photoshop allowed? I've always thought not, and so have never used it in a challenge, but life would sometimes be easier if it were allowed.


Any definitive answer to this?
 07/17/2003 11:19:15 PM · #12
Dsidwell, I've never used "Replace Color" and can't get it to do anything to my picture. What is it supposed to do, and how do you use it?
 07/17/2003 11:26:57 PM · #13
In Photoshop, the Replace Color window allows you to click on a color in your photo, then decide how close to that color you really want, and make it lighter, darker, change its hue, or adjust its saturation. Try it! But not for a challenge (unless someone says it's okay).

Since the process requires that you click on your photo, I am guessing that this is spot editing of an elaborate sort.

But I'm not sure.

Good luck!

Message edited by author 2003-07-17 23:28:27.
 07/17/2003 11:30:21 PM · #14
There are valid arguments either way on tools like this, hence no definitive answer for you, (and the cries of many to allow "any" editing and just vote on the quality of the result).
 07/17/2003 11:37:42 PM · #15
It's just like the normal hue/saturation except that it allows much more precise selection of the color to effect, since you can select it with the dropper. Pretty cool.

Don't think this would be illegal since although you are clicking on the picture you are not selecting a specific part of the picture, you are instead selecting a specific color to alter. You can do the same thing with hue/saturation just not as precisely.
 07/18/2003 09:33:18 AM · #16
Grace & Paul,
Thanks for the info on keeping track of history.
Dick
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