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05/01/2007 11:32:42 PM · #1 |
I've notice that I have over 300 views but 180 votes on the current challenge. I'm just wondering if those 120 other views were just people interested in the picture, but not voting. Or if it's people not interested in the picture enough to actually vote for it. Every picture I look at in the challenges I vote. I sometimes go back to my favorite votes (The ones I gave 10) to try and see what they did that I think deserved the 10.
Just curious as to what others might think? |
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05/01/2007 11:35:27 PM · #2 |
I believe the answer is in your question.
Votes: 198
Views: 253
Avg Vote: 6.1313
Comments: 6
Favorites: 1
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 05/01/07 11:33 pm
My current challenge entry would suggest that yes, people view and not vote. I'm sure that some are repeat voters adjusting their scores up, and in my case, down. |
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05/01/2007 11:38:36 PM · #3 |
I like to have a look early in the challenge, but don't usually vote until later on. I don't usually vote on ones I've entered, but still want to see what I'm up against.
Then, sometimes I'll go back after voting and have another look, adjust scores, etc. So all in all, I might visit them 2, 3, 4 times before end of voting. |
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05/01/2007 11:40:12 PM · #4 |
Yes, I think some people do..... One due to the fact they like to see all the images before voring.
Another reason is some people can not vote, especially if it is advanced, but can comment if they wish to, re not being a full member.
I always try and vote 100%, then I go back a second time, to actually do my commenting, so that would make two visits to each image, that I do this with.
Message edited by author 2007-05-01 23:40:48. |
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05/01/2007 11:53:53 PM · #5 |
| I rarely vote, but I will view some, if not most images in the challenges. I suspect there are others lurking like myself. |
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05/01/2007 11:55:02 PM · #6 |
| I'm voting again, but I went through a period of not voting at all to instead focus on Critiques. I would still browse the challenges though. |
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05/01/2007 11:58:08 PM · #7 |
| Normally once the voting period start, I do a quick check and then on weekends is when I vote. In this case you will have one 2 views and 1 vote from me. |
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05/02/2007 12:03:58 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by heavyj:
I've notice that I have over 300 views but 180 votes on the current challenge. I'm just wondering if those 120 other views were just people interested in the picture, but not voting. Or if it's people not interested in the picture enough to actually vote for it. Every picture I look at in the challenges I vote. I sometimes go back to my favorite votes (The ones I gave 10) to try and see what they did that I think deserved the 10.
Just curious as to what others might think? |
Ever accounted for the views of people, Not logged in or not registered?
Im not usre i view a few but as if 5 challenges ago i vote on ALL images ina challenge. |
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05/02/2007 12:09:36 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by heavyj:
sometimes go back to my favorite votes (The ones I gave 10) to try and see what they did that I think deserved the 10. |
Theres part of your answer - every time you look it counts as a view. Each view does not represent a new person.
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05/02/2007 12:12:22 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by emorgan49:
Originally posted by heavyj:
sometimes go back to my favorite votes (The ones I gave 10) to try and see what they did that I think deserved the 10. |
Theres part of your answer - every time you look it counts as a view. Each view does not represent a new person. |
Question is are we 100% sure of this? For logged in users it is possible to keep track of views. There for after the first view it doesnt add.
In portfolio images you viewing the image does not incremenet it.
However viewing a thread int he forum counts all the time, no matter who or what day it is.
They can make it to be 1 view per user per day or 1 view per user per ever. My question is how is it setup? |
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05/02/2007 01:00:21 AM · #11 |
I'm haven't been voting regularly but when I did, sure there were photos I looked at that I didn't vote on. To be fair to all entrants I will look at every shot in a given challenge.
There are several reason I won't vote on an image. Two are to avoid giving a low vote.
Shoe Horned shots: If the photog can't follow the spirit of the challenge, I can't give it a high score for technique nor will I give it a low score out of spite.
Struggling Photog: Those shots that are so lacklustre that I can't tell if it was done by a noob, struggling photog or if it is just someone goofing around with the challenge. Shots that appear snapshot-ish fit the bill for me. I don't believe it helps a struggling photog to give them a really low vote, but it don't help them to candy coat it with a vote it doesn't merit it either. Beside vote a 3 around here and someone will whine about trolls.
I have seen the shot: I have mentored people in the past. If I have seen a shot that is to be entered in a challenge, I will skip it.
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05/02/2007 01:27:11 AM · #12 |
I rarely vote but I'll run through and look at the images on those challenges that I find interesting. I'll vote if I see something that really moves me to give a good rating to and I'd like to see do well or win. If I find one or more images like that, then I will vote on all of them (unless it's one of the mega-entry challenges, then there has to be a really good reason to even start voting).
I don't vote because it just takes too much time with the number of entries, just to be another average vote that doesn't change the results more than .001%. If we could vote on thumbnails without having to go into the full size and then having to backspace to see the thumbnails again, it would be quicker. I know some people don't like those that do their judging from the thumbnails or doing fast judgement calls, but I'm one of those that can tell if I like an image, if it doesn't do anything for me or if it's interesting enough to take a closer look and maybe come back to later for another look.
But yes, I'm a viewer for the most part.
Mike
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05/02/2007 01:44:49 AM · #13 |
I'm only intrested in voting on 100% of the entries so if I know Im not going to get to them all I'll just look
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05/02/2007 01:46:04 AM · #14 |
I do not vote in challenges I am in. So to answer your question..YES! hehe
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05/02/2007 01:52:15 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by Tlemetry:
I do not vote in challenges I am in. So to answer your question..YES! hehe |
me too.
and during voting..yes i do viewing some photos 2 to 4 times
since I want to make sure that i satisfied with my vote and rating the photos carefully. |
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05/02/2007 02:28:09 AM · #16 |
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One thing I wish Langdon would do would be to not display one's average vote cast.
I know of a couple of folks (I would imagine that there are probably more) that want to keep that average somewhat on the higher side, so they only vote on photos that are 6 or higher. Anything that would get a lower vote is skipped.
So if your average vote cast is not shown to the world, folks may be a bit more balanced with their voting.
Just my opinion. Your thoughts? Does anyone agree? Disagree?
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05/02/2007 03:29:24 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by lesgainous:
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One thing I wish Langdon would do would be to not display one's average vote cast.
I know of a couple of folks (I would imagine that there are probably more) that want to keep that average somewhat on the higher side, so they only vote on photos that are 6 or higher. Anything that would get a lower vote is skipped.
So if your average vote cast is not shown to the world, folks may be a bit more balanced with their voting.
Just my opinion. Your thoughts? Does anyone agree? Disagree? |
I actually mostly agree with this. Avg. Vote Cast has already been used *against* people in threads gone-by, and isn't something that I feel has an incredible amount of merit anyway... at least not as a viewable stat for the population.
The only plus I see is that members can occasionally see a very low average in, say, a relative newcomer to the site, or someone that never enters or participates, et al, and contact SC so they can keep tabs on said user. On the other hand, it's also a potential witch-hunt situation.
I personally don't look at mine, or anyone else's. You bring up an interesting point on people wanting to keep their's high though. I'd have never thought of it that way. Still, if it *is* happening, I'd almost bet money that it's such a tiny portion of people doing it, that it's not causing much issue. |
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05/02/2007 03:48:40 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
Still, if it *is* happening, I'd almost bet money that it's such a tiny portion of people doing it, that it's not causing much issue. |
Like "Friend Voting" happens, I believe that "Cherry Picking" voting also happens to improve voting average. I think some people vote normally up to 20% and then cherry pick on the goodies remaining in the 80%. Watch out though - this could be used as the next ban... "You cannot vote for the next 3 months for reason: Cherry Picking". :)
This stat has been used to bash people in the past, and in some cases rightfully so. I look at mine to make sure I am not skewing too much one way or the other in voting. Maybe a compromise is that you should be able to see yours but not others' stat. |
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05/02/2007 03:57:35 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by craigester:
Originally posted by Artyste:
Still, if it *is* happening, I'd almost bet money that it's such a tiny portion of people doing it, that it's not causing much issue. |
Like "Friend Voting" happens, I believe that "Cherry Picking" voting also happens to improve voting average. I think some people vote normally up to 20% and then cherry pick on the goodies remaining in the 80%. Watch out though - this could be used as the next ban... "You cannot vote for the next 3 months for reason: Cherry Picking". :)
This stat has been used to bash people in the past, and in some cases rightfully so. I look at mine to make sure I am not skewing too much one way or the other in voting. Maybe a compromise is that you should be able to see yours but not others' stat. |
That compromise wouldn't stop your "cherry picking" though :)
As far as banning, it's a far cry from choosing people you know and boosting their scores (for whatever reason. Please, just using it as an example, don't bring up past grievances :)), and picking photos you like and only giving them high scores. At least, it is to me. The first is giving a certain person an artificial advantage, where the second is giving an artificial advantage, but on a more evenly spread out and anonymous field. It might be aggravating, but it's a personal choice on method of voting, and I don't think that will ever be policed to the extent you insinuated. |
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05/02/2007 04:43:28 AM · #20 |
| I know, I was just joking... It is quite OK to vote like that. |
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05/02/2007 06:35:34 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by lesgainous:
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One thing I wish Langdon would do would be to not display one's average vote cast.
I know of a couple of folks (I would imagine that there are probably more) that want to keep that average somewhat on the higher side, so they only vote on photos that are 6 or higher. Anything that would get a lower vote is skipped.
So if your average vote cast is not shown to the world, folks may be a bit more balanced with their voting.
Just my opinion. Your thoughts? Does anyone agree? Disagree? |
I think you are so right. This is a site where people congregate and cultivate friendships amongst all that's offered which is great but having an unfriendly number (avg vote cast) might go against that.
I'll admit that I find a low Avg Vote Cast to be somewhat of a turnoff.
I liken it to "someone bringing a gun to a pillow fight"
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Views: 331
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05/02/2007 06:54:17 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
" a pillow fight"
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is it a naked pillow fight? |
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05/02/2007 07:24:03 AM · #23 |
Yeh I do, I am all 'voted out' at the moment! I tend to look at the thumbnails and then click on something that catches my eye. Not voted for a while now, after 65,000+ votes cast I find it all a bit too much at the moment. Hopefully I will get back into it when I have more time on my hands.
Edit to add - I find my avg vote given and received to be nearly identical! What does this indicate about me?!
Votes Cast: 65,194
Avg Vote Cast: 5.1183
Votes Received: 21,905
Avg Vote Received: 5.1169
Mike
Message edited by author 2007-05-02 07:26:44. |
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05/02/2007 09:15:46 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by boysetsfire:
Originally posted by pawdrix:
" a pillow fight"
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is it a naked pillow fight? |
DPC?
....a naked Chainsaw Match in a cement room. |
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05/02/2007 09:22:36 AM · #25 |
because i have the threads displayed in reverse order, i see the last post first when i click into a new thread.
it's really easy to see when a thread has gone totally downhill that way. for example, i clicked on a thread titled "Do people view and not vote?" and the first thing i read was "naked pillow fight."
so if you're interested in saving some time, i suggest you read threads in reverse order. :)
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