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07/07/2003 07:36:52 PM · #1 |
I do not know if this has been asked before, but I had a brainstorm on the way to work today. (My wife refers to these as BrainFarts, only when I have them) I was wondering if anyone ever thought about making a Calendar from some of the pictures we submit. I figured they could be ordered through DPC Prints if that was an option. Is this an idea? I hope so. Well thank you for your time. It is time to get back to work.
John (TurboTech)
Message edited by author 2003-07-07 19:37:17. |
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07/07/2003 07:37:44 PM · #2 |
TOTALLY would love this option - but can we pick our own 12 or would it be standard? Like "A setz" "A gordon" etc...
M
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07/07/2003 08:50:10 PM · #3 |
It would be nice if the options were limitless. What do you think.
I wonder how much it would cost if there were such an option. They would make very cool gifts.
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07/07/2003 08:57:03 PM · #4 |
| This would be an absolute must-have on my xmas list! Brain Fart indeed, this is a wonderful idea. |
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07/07/2003 09:03:27 PM · #5 |
This is a super idea. If you could pick your twelve it would be great but wouldn't that increase the cost substantially? If they were to do it, wouldn't it make more sense to let the challengers vote for twelve or maybe use the twelve highest scoring images. Just a thought.
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07/07/2003 09:06:23 PM · #6 |
I can hear the naysayers already.
"who gets the rights? are you using my image? who gets the money? why would I give up rights?"
I was having a conversation about this earlier. Lemme explain something, since I'll say it how it is. If you have never sold a print, what "rights" do you think you're protecting? If you have never made $100 on photography, who do you think you're kidding? Your right to what? Store them on cd and be the only one who ever sees them?
I propose this:
Make two kinds of calendar available:
1) DPC Calendar (let us vote on a top 12 all time for the first year calendar (say August 2003-July 2004). Then, each month, have the 8+ winners square off on a site poll to be chosen as that month's pic for the next one (August 2004-July 2005). All chosen images would of course have to "allow" themselves to be used - this is publicity for DPC, I can't imagine anyone would NOT want their pic in this calendar. Allow them a photo credit on the image or on the opposite page, etc. Only allow 1 shot per photographer chosen. If there is a photographer with more than 1 image, count only the first one chosen and then eliminate them from further consideration.
2) Allow us to choose our OWN 12 images from a pool that people have "allowed" to be used for this project. Doing this as well will allow a) people to make a calendar of their own images (already possible) and b) allow people to create a "favorites" calendar.
Option 1 is a good publicity tool and gift idea.
Option 2 is a good way to raise a few funds internally for those die-hards.
I think this is one of the better ideas in a long time. I hope something is done about it. I'll do any part of drafting documents that dpc needs, or whatever. I'd REALLY like this to be available by August/Sept.
Thanks!
Mav
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07/07/2003 09:13:18 PM · #7 |
| I think it's a great idea and I would make any of my photos available to be included in the calendar. |
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07/07/2003 09:28:50 PM · #8 |
Mav, I like both of your takes on this. When I read #1 I immediately thought it would be great to have a short photographer bio & possibly a photo...
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07/07/2003 09:56:55 PM · #9 |
Wow I am glad to see people take intrest in this. I wonder if Drew and Langdon ever thought about this.
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07/07/2003 11:28:49 PM · #10 |
Maybe if you volunteer a photo for the calendar there could be a small credit with a link to your DPC Prints page? Might be a good way to draw in some business to this site and to your own prints.
I like being able to choose the 12 photos I want on the calendar from a pool. Some of my favorite photos on here never made it into the top 3 for a challenge and so they probably would not make the calendar.
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07/08/2003 02:22:06 AM · #11 |
I think the idea (and the mutations suggested) are awesome. I'd also like to throw out an idea i've had for months, but haven't found the right time/place to suggest it:
what about a reminder calendar? its got 6 or 12 pictures (either two months per page or one per page) with the dates (numbers only, not in combination with a day, so it would just say Jan 1 without a year and without the "sunday" or whatever) where you can write down an important recurring date like a birthday or anniversary and hang it beside a regular calendar. You can reuse it each year and not have to transfer over all those special dates to your new calendar. Would make a great gift, and something I've actually worked on as a gift for members of my family!
Message edited by author 2003-07-08 02:22:18.
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07/08/2003 07:27:54 AM · #12 |
bump
signed,
The Thread Killer .......lol
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07/08/2003 08:02:15 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by orussell:
bump
signed,
The Thread Killer .......lol |
So its you O.... I thought I was always the last poster in a dying thread. I think a day-at-a-time calendar would be a cool idea too. I don't know how much it would cost to produce them.
Mav - great ideas for a 12 month calendar though. I think the idea on the whole rocks (thanks TT-john). If we were to use pre-chosen images, I'd go for the ones most chosen for favorites. Unfortunately, I don't think I'd have one in the calendar. But I also think Mav has a good point to make a limit of one per photog.
You guys are great at coming up with coming up with ideas and developing them. Keep it up! Hopefully this one gets picked up by admin for consideration.
Bob
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07/08/2003 08:16:58 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
If you have never sold a print, what "rights" do you think you're protecting? If you have never made $100 on photography, who do you think you're kidding? Your right to what? Store them on cd and be the only one who ever sees them? |
It seems like you believe that nobody on DPC are established artists / photographers. If I were less sarcastic myself, I would probably take offense of the above statement.
The idea of a DPC calendar is not bad at all, however.
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07/08/2003 10:19:34 AM · #15 |
No, but most of those who complain are. I'm not saying a few people here and there may not have legit reasons to withhold their assent. I know Setz is doing a showing next month and perhaps he doesn't want to devalue his own work by presenting it with mine or yours or anyone else's. But when this argument has come up in the past, it's usually joeshmoe2003 who says "but what about my RIGHTS?" I was TRYING to offend joe into realizing that he's being a schmoe.
I was trying to shoot down in advance one of the more popular arguments against anything on dpc. Read the stickers thread before stickers were sorted out and the language of the challenge CHANGED to meet their questions.
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07/08/2003 10:56:50 AM · #16 |
Mav - Your point is well taken and your gripe is legit. I agree that some of the photog's here are a little "picky" about having their stuff published without their permission, despite where its published...
But I, for one, would be tickled to death just to be published whether it was for profit or not. I'm getting my office art pic published in a local weekly free newspaper for having the "print of the month" in the local camera club. I'm still waiting for it to be published too. I won that honor a month ago.
There are definitely some photog's here who have pocketed a little money, or even a substantial amount of money, for peddling their photos. I've been steady in my DPCPrints earnings of $2.11. I've sold nothing outside of that. I think at this point my goal of sales is to renew my membership for next year. But I'd have to say most of the photogs who belong to this site are not making a fortune at it and probably would be excited just to be published somewhere outside their home. ...at least I would.
Bob
PS - But its not to say that it is possible that more accomplished photogs might get a little peaved, but chances are they are probably just taking that in stride and concentrating on making more good photographs. What would it accomplish to fight with you about it?
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07/08/2003 11:16:37 AM · #17 |
I am glad to see the interest this topic has stirred. When I suggested it last year nobody even acknowledged my post. I'm all for it. I had suggested that 12 of the winners of all challenges for the year be picked by DPC'rs. Possibly a vote or the likes.
Go for something. |
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07/08/2003 11:39:44 AM · #18 |
On the flip side of that, I had 10 photos published in an Australian football supporters club newsletter - full colour, distribution of a few tens of thousands. I happily provided the photos for free but was a bit put out that I didn't even get the photo credit I'd asked for.
People steal photos every day - I'm not surprised people get concerned how their work is going to be used.
Calendars are a great idea - it should just be an opt in thing, and would have to be to some extent anyway to get printable quality versions. If the prints are up for sale on dpcPrints, they are up for sale... Should be okay for any kind of usage (after all - I could buy all 12 and bind them any way I liked anyway - I'm just paying the printer more to do this step... |
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07/08/2003 12:11:49 PM · #19 |
I totally agree there should be a photo credit.
Yes, people DO steal photos- ad this should be opt - in for sure.
As for dpcprints, some people have 8x10s for $25.00. I'm sure if you wanted to make a calendar you wouldn't want it to be $300.00 plus tax. :) But yes, people should want to sell/have their photos seen if they are selling on dpcprints.
I hope this idea is picked up - there are a LOT of good ideas floating around dpc right now.
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07/08/2003 01:11:49 PM · #20 |
Let me join the mob screaming for this to happen : )
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07/08/2003 01:59:27 PM · #21 |
This was one of my first ideas for DPC Prints, and I still think it's a very exciting and original one. Here's the problem. A sheet for an 8x10 calendar costs us just over $2.00. Let's say we allow photographers to sell their prints in the calendar for 50 cents profit, and we take $3 a profit on the entire calendar. The calendar now costs you $33 dollars, and that's only if photographers are OK with making 50 cents profit on a calendar page. I'm not sure how a cover works, because I never got that far in the thought process. Once I realized our calendars were going to start over $30, I decided it probably wasn't worth the effort. So there you have it :)
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07/08/2003 02:07:23 PM · #22 |
You can make shutterfly calendars for $19.95 and there are cheaper places out there. I will offer any of my pictures for this calendar to promote dpc and give as gifts for free.
Let's say you can get 50 calendars preprinted for 15 bucks each. That's 750. Say you sell them for 20 and take 5 bucks on each, that's $250 profit. Not the greatest. Now let's say that there are links to dpcprints in there, those 50 are used as gifts, etc. They aren't as cheap as stickers, but I'd buy one.
19.95+12x.50=25.95+3.00=28.95 each. So even if all YOUR math was ok, dpc could make 3 bucks per calendar and sell them for under 30 US.
As I said, it's already possible to do this with my OWN pictures, I was just wondering if we could get a pile of pics together for an "official" dpc calendar - standard that everyone has, or in the alternative, a way to set it up so we can make one with whatever pool of pics we want. :)
M
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07/08/2003 02:17:29 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
I will offer any of my pictures for this calendar to promote dpc and give as gifts for free. |
Ditto that.
Drew, I assume you're talking about 'custom' calendars. If you could settle on 12 prints (your choice, or by vote) and do a bulk run I imagine the savings would be substantial.
How about a couple of polls to find out how many members would be willing to 'donate' a shot, and how many users would be likely to buy?
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07/08/2003 02:27:18 PM · #24 |
I would agree with Bod here.
From my knowledge, you guys (the admins) are getting your prints done with EZPrints.com and they offer calendars for very cheap. :o)
That could even be one of our gift options for our own prints on DPCPrints. :o)
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07/08/2003 02:28:22 PM · #25 |
Another option would be to pick one set of pics and print them by offset instead of photographically. I know this can introduce color issues, but it IS how most "regular" calendars are done.
I will check the place I work for an estimate for printing 1000 or so. You could probably sell those for a few bucks and still make a little profit.
You are figuring 1 photo/month plus cover? |
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