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03/08/2007 05:10:58 PM · #51 |
| I suppose it's maybe me wishing people were a little more thorough. I voted and commented on every picture in the Feb free study. Of course getting a 1 matters - You keep getting them and your score will flop. I don't feel it's a present someone voting - I appreciate it but only appreciate it if the vote is genuine - How are we to know unless someone could comment along with it. It's a site to learn from. |
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03/08/2007 05:18:01 PM · #52 |
| Exactly. That's what I was talking about with the "real votes" agreed upon as "presents", but the others being equated to vandalism. I definitely appreciate votes as long as the person meant them and ideally can fill me in when needed. |
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03/08/2007 05:23:55 PM · #53 |
You got 182 votes and 4 comments - does that mean you have 178 votes that you can't appreciate, or is it only the votes that are lower than a threshold that aren't valid ?
Sorry - don't really mean to come across as an ass about this, but someone didn't like your photo. Do they have to spell that fact out in a comment ? They've already said 'bad'. They didn't like it. Is there much else for you to learn ? Can they not genuinely dislike your picture ?
Why they didn't like it and all that would be nice, but they certainly have given you a pretty clear opinion already, just like the people who like it and didn't leave a comment did. I don't see many folk complaining they got 10s without meaningful comments - attaboys never get threads complaining about the lack of education from them.
Message edited by author 2007-03-08 17:40:59. |
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03/08/2007 05:29:30 PM · #54 |
i got a 2 and 3 3's on my entry, which i was actually kinda proud of:
my frustration is that its hard to compete with people who have a studio and access to equipment and professional models...not that i begrudge them that i just sometimes wish there were challenges for more of the novice type people like me who have a camera and PS and not much else |
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03/08/2007 05:36:51 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
my frustration is that its hard to compete with people who have a studio and access to equipment and professional models...not that i begrudge them that i just sometimes wish there were challenges for more of the novice type people like me who have a camera and PS and not much else |
Never underestimate what you have.  aimeethetoo and I feel like we can hang right in there with the best of them - even with no studio, no equipment and no professional models. All that stuff will not guarantee you a great score. |
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03/08/2007 06:06:38 PM · #56 |
turning the discussion 180º, it might help understand the vote of the masses,
how did this image (its my image, by the way) got two 10's?
I'm very grateful to the people who voted 10 but I don't understand them.
My monitor was uncalibrated or I would never have submitted this image, how did it get high scores? |
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03/08/2007 06:27:14 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by vasc:
turning the discussion 180º, it might help understand the vote of the masses,
how did this image (its my image, by the way) got two 10's?
I'm very grateful to the people who voted 10 but I don't understand them.
My monitor was uncalibrated or I would never have submitted this image, how did it get high scores? |
As has been stated - the voting is totally subjective. I looked at the comments on this photo and saw at least five that were really into the green. Two of those probably gave you a 10. They might have thought - wow, here's a photographer who is willing to go out on a limb! Or... out of the box thinking; I like it! Or... maybe they were drunk. Maybe they had a spiritual experience in a green fort once... I could go on and on.
In my experience, the median score pretty much reflects the median opinion of a photo. |
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03/08/2007 06:40:53 PM · #58 |
I think we all assume that the people voting photos have some idea about photography. I'll submit that at least some of the people who vote on images here only WANT to have some idea about photography.
Several months ago I met someone who expressed an interest in learning more about photography. Naturally, I referred them to DPC and really didn't think much more of it. Later, I had occasion to peek over their shoulder while they were voting in their brand-spanking new DPC registered user account. I was shocked! This person voted merely on "I like it a whole bunch, I don't care much one way or the other, or I hate it - boring." The "boring" shots all got 1's, which really surprised me. After that person completed voting, I asked them to go back and look at all the 1's again and explain (for giggles) why those images got the worst score ever...to make a long story short (if it's not too late!) I pointed out how DOF was used to great advantage in this shot, or how grain evoked mood in another, or how composition made this one work etc. and all I got was a blank stare and the reiteration of "...but, I just don't like it."
So there you go. Sometimes there is no rhyme or reason, sometimes the person really doesn't know anything other than they just don't like it. They might not even have a valid reason why.
My thought behind the 1? It is what it is... No sense trying to explain it, because sometimes there is no explanation and in the end it doesn't matter much anyway. :)
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03/08/2007 07:04:49 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by yann:
I think the people in charge here should do something about it, even if it means using their judgment to filter deserved 1s and underserved 1s. |
I can't say I would support something like this. What about the 10 scores, are they all justified??? of course not. We all have differing tastes and opinions and I certainly do not believe we need a higher authority intervening in the voting process.
While it is indeed true that there are countless examples of images where a 1 score was not warranted, I am certain we could find several examples where a 10 score was excessive.
There are some very critical scorers in DPC, but that in itself is no reason to cast their votes aside.
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03/08/2007 07:13:50 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by timfythetoo:
Originally posted by smardaz:
my frustration is that its hard to compete with people who have a studio and access to equipment and professional models...not that i begrudge them that i just sometimes wish there were challenges for more of the novice type people like me who have a camera and PS and not much else |
Never underestimate what you have. aimeethetoo and I feel like we can hang right in there with the best of them - even with no studio, no equipment and no professional models. All that stuff will not guarantee you a great score. |
Yeah but you have a cool hat to use. :P
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03/08/2007 07:18:21 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by yann:
I think the people in charge here should do something about it, even if it means using their judgment to filter deserved 1s and underserved 1s. |
I can't say I would support something like this. What about the 10 scores, are they all justified??? of course not. We all have differing tastes and opinions and I certainly do not believe we need a higher authority intervening in the voting process.
While it is indeed true that there are countless examples of images where a 1 score was not warranted, I am certain we could find several examples where a 10 score was excessive.
There are some very critical scorers in DPC, but that in itself is no reason to cast their votes aside.
Ray |
No, definitely they are not all justified. First thing that comes to my mind is when people vote 10s because they want to mess up a "brown ribbon attempt". |
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03/08/2007 07:33:05 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by eyewave:
A single 1 probably is a troll vote, technically there's nothing wrong with Jeff's or Susan's pictures.
While your at it, please tell me why this deserved 3 1s and 2 2s. I finished with my 3rd worst score ever, though I got only positive comments.
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I've noticed that on some of my worst images I get mostly positive comments but not very many of them. If I don't get at least 10 comments I'll get nowhere near a 6.00 score. My current red is like that right now. If it keeps up the way it is I'll score my lowest score since joining. My last challenge I scored my highest. ;)
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03/08/2007 10:26:57 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
I have a solution:
Change the voting scale to 5 through 15.
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I'll be danged if I would accept a 5 then!
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Real simple solution to troll votes as well as friend votes. Before publishing the scores;
1. count the number of votes for a particular entry
2. Take 5% of the total votes and subtract that many 1's and 10's.
3. Now tabulate the total.
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Example; A photo has 200 votes. Take 10 number 1 and 10 number 10 votes out. If there is not enough then you can't go negative. So if there is only three number 1 votes they are eliminated. If there are fifteen numnber 1 votes only 10 are removed.
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If it is felt that 5% is too much then 2% at each end would probably be very fair and eliminate the bad attitude voters.
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Befefit: reduces troll votes and reduces friend votes. Totally fair to everyone. |
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03/08/2007 10:44:24 PM · #64 |
Well of course you got a one (1). It's obvious why.
If the 'chili peppers' were 'cheese puffs' instead, I truly believe that that '1' would of been a '10'.
Just my opinion of course.
TROLLS LIKE CHEESE PUFFS.
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03/08/2007 10:55:43 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by David.C:
I don't think I will ever understand how such a large portion of a community devoted to destroying the boxes they get stuck in can be so completely close-minded to the fact different people have different tastes.
Someone didn't like it (... ok, someone REALLY didn't like it) -- why must it always come down to a conspiracy (troll theory or otherwise)?
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Amen to this. |
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03/08/2007 11:01:59 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by PhantomEWO:
I had the same question on mine, yours and many others. A free study cannot be eliminated by DNMC, there is no such thing as outsider of the box..
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I hope the SC's are tracking the "1" voters and start to eliminate those who consistantly DNMC sane voting practises. The same goes for excessive "10's". Unfortunately there are a few photos that deserve a 1 but it has to be extremely poor taste, way out of focus or the typical black or white screen entries.
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It is time for the SC's to stop the stupid uncalled for "1" votes. There is no argument that can hold any intelligent conversation on many of the 1's. |
Which gets me to thinking.... why do we think that 1s for DNMC alone are okay? I know we're supposed to be keeping the challenge in mind when voting, but does that trump everything else?
If something's a technically beautiful shot but is of an orange in an banana challenge, does that deserve the same score as
if that were to be entered in the banana challenge?
(NOT my own opinions here, just using the logic some others have presented to ask some questions) |
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03/08/2007 11:03:23 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by vasc:
turning the discussion 180º, it might help understand the vote of the masses,
how did this image (its my image, by the way) got two 10's?
I'm very grateful to the people who voted 10 but I don't understand them.
My monitor was uncalibrated or I would never have submitted this image, how did it get high scores? |
To be very honest I wonder how the image that started this thread got 10s, and I'm just as inclined to question that as the 1s. I'm not saying I hate the image. Just echoing what has already been said here about people having different opinions. |
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03/08/2007 11:07:10 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by jblaylockrayner:
I am not putting it to any conspiracy just would be nice to know if you feel an image is that bad what your thoughts are - I too vote low sometimes but I will always give an explanation |
I want to acknowledge that the original post didn't have anything to do with the "troll votes" that this thread has become about, and that I apologize if anything I've said gives the impression that I'm annoyed or anything with you for posting what you did. |
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03/08/2007 11:09:36 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by klstover:
...Which gets me to thinking.... why do we think that 1s for DNMC alone are okay? I know we're supposed to be keeping the challenge in mind when voting, but does that trump everything else?
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I think a 1 simply for DNMC is a bit churlish. After all, what if it is the voter who is confused about what the challenge meant? I think a 1 is a valid vote in some cases, but not simply for not meeting the challenge. Everyone's interpretation is different.
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