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02/24/2007 03:49:56 PM · #176 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
There have been plenty of golf balls designed that can fly a HELL of a lot further and/or straighter than the "legal" golf balls. |
Yea, they're great. I can now hit the ball *directly* into a lake, instead of slicing it on to the wrong fairway. |
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02/24/2007 03:53:51 PM · #177 |
DPCers are very creative in their approaches to accomplishing whatever effect they choose for their images. In that regard, multiple images have been portrayed using single exposure techniques that have been around for a century or more (no, I wasn't here for their debut!).
One technique is to place a thin sheet of glass in front of the camera lens at 45 degrees and expose two subjects simultaneously, placed so that both are in the field at 90 degrees placement. A simpler technique is to use a very long shutter exposure and selectively illuminate (strobe) several subjects (or use the 'hat trick').
The only concern is the appearance of rule violation by the voters who may vote down on such images. But in the past, these creative techniques have done very well.
I see no problem with implementing this new rule as outlined by the SC. |
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02/24/2007 04:15:42 PM · #178 |
Well, I still don't like it.
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02/24/2007 04:33:52 PM · #179 |
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02/24/2007 04:34:23 PM · #180 |
I may be speaking out of line and on a topic I know nothing about, but I have noticed that as digital cameras become more advanced, we DPCers are becoming more constrained by new rules.
Of course, as a continously evolving site, rule changes have to be made. But it feels as if what the camera manufacturers give us, the rules take away.
These rule changes don't really affect me, as one exposure is my limit. However, where will these changes stop? Are all these new functions for 'private' use only? Should we send our photos for challenges in plain brown wrappers?
My little rant, now I can lie down quietly in a darkened room :) |
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02/24/2007 04:48:36 PM · #181 |
As we all know I'm for this decision ... Thank You :)
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02/24/2007 04:52:45 PM · #182 |
I'm really getting more and more lost here. We have long-standing rules that say you cannot combine 2 or more exposures (read shutter actuations) to create a single image. We have cameras that are now allowing you to do that in-camera. Equity demands that we either disallow in-camera compositing OR allow it to be done "in the darkroom" (read photoshop).
I can't imagine a majority of site members would favor opening up the rules to allow multiple images done in photoshop; so why are so many people absolutely railing out against doing the exact same thing in the camera?
I mean, isn't it the FUNCTION of whatever rules we use that they create a reasonably level, consistent playing field across the board? It seems to me that's exactly the sort of imbalance that SC has (wisely) stepped in to redress. Why is this such a problem for so many people?
Robt.
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02/24/2007 04:54:27 PM · #183 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I'm really getting more and more lost here. We have long-standing rules that say you cannot combine 2 or more exposures (read shutter actuations) to create a single image. We have cameras that are now allowing you to do that in-camera. Equity demands that we either disallow in-camera compositing OR allow it to be done "in the darkroom" (read photoshop).
I can't imagine a majority of site members would favor opening up the rules to allow multiple images done in photoshop; so why are so many people absolutely railing out against doing the exact same thing in the camera?
I mean, isn't it the FUNCTION of whatever rules we use that they create a reasonably level, consistent playing field across the board? It seems to me that's exactly the sort of imbalance that SC has (wisely) stepped in to redress. Why is this such a problem for so many people?
Robt. |
Put up a fence and everyone will try to climb it. Pull down the fence and people will sit there looking at each other.
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02/24/2007 04:57:12 PM · #184 |
Originally posted by Judi:
Put up a fence and everyone will try to climb it. Pull down the fence and people will sit there looking at each other. |
So true! |
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02/24/2007 05:03:09 PM · #185 |
I'm just glad they made the ruling. I can't do what others can do with their cameras. And I really think it gives them an advantage so the playing field isn't even. SO I say, thank you!!!
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02/24/2007 05:04:07 PM · #186 |
i just follow whatever rules there are ( at least here ;). these kind of debates really don't have any bearing on my daily life. i do sometimes enjoy reading through these threads and seeing how worked up some folks get about nothing in the larger scheme of things.
BTW betterphoto.com will let you enter these ME images DPC won't, but put in a nipple and beware...
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I'm really getting more and more lost here. We have long-standing rules that say you cannot combine 2 or more exposures (read shutter actuations) to create a single image. We have cameras that are now allowing you to do that in-camera. Equity demands that we either disallow in-camera compositing OR allow it to be done "in the darkroom" (read photoshop).
I can't imagine a majority of site members would favor opening up the rules to allow multiple images done in photoshop; so why are so many people absolutely railing out against doing the exact same thing in the camera?
I mean, isn't it the FUNCTION of whatever rules we use that they create a reasonably level, consistent playing field across the board? It seems to me that's exactly the sort of imbalance that SC has (wisely) stepped in to redress. Why is this such a problem for so many people?
Robt. |
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02/24/2007 06:53:31 PM · #187 |
This clearly is a rule to forbid cheating. Nothing more and nothing less. It is not to prevent you from time honored techniques of photography. It just forbids you cheating by submiting images not taken during the challenge week. Is there something wrong with that?
It does not forbid you from using the full capability of your camera nor does it forbid those whose cameras don't allow that from doing it in Photoshop. It just does not allow you to do it within the limited purpose of challenges.
For those fixated with the idea that people cheat this should be a welcomed change.
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02/24/2007 07:10:17 PM · #188 |
Originally posted by stdavidson:
This clearly is a rule to forbid cheating. Nothing more and nothing less. It is not to prevent you from time honored techniques of photography. It just forbids you cheating by submiting images not taken during the challenge week. Is there something wrong with that?
It does not forbid you from using the full capability of your camera nor does it forbid those whose cameras don't allow that from doing it in Photoshop. It just does not allow you to do it within the limited purpose of challenges.
For those fixated with the idea that people cheat this should be a welcomed change. |
Well it forbids a single method, but to forbid all methods of cheating would require a rule against submitting at all. It hampers the ability to use a technique to create a certain style or image that may not be able to be created any other way. SO it does do more.
You may argue expert editing but as they said expert editing may not stay and even if it does how many per month will we get to makeup for this loss? Probly no compensation because todo so would over run the challenge diversity and the difficulty that keeps things competitive innature. |
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02/24/2007 07:33:28 PM · #189 |
I have read this entire thread and I don't understand why people are so upset with this ruling. Photography started out with taking 1 single picture. Yes in today's photographic world, there is so much you can do but for a lot of photographers, 1 photo is what we have to work with. for me, I want to see the real photo, not the one that is PS'd so much that you can't tell what the original photo was. The photo that captures life in that instance. Do I edit my photos, yes I do but that has been done for ages. But you see the real photo. Just embrace the change and rely on your photographic eye.
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02/24/2007 07:38:33 PM · #190 |
Originally posted by TooCool:
I see this conversation degenerating into those who's cameras can do this being against the new rule and those that can't being for it... |
I'd like to propose myself as a counter-example. I'm against the new rule, yet my dinosaur of a camera cannot do this.
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02/24/2007 07:40:04 PM · #191 |
| I'm for the rule and my camera can do it. ;-) |
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02/24/2007 07:49:53 PM · #192 |
if thems the rules, thems the rules. im not one for in camera editing anyways.
Message edited by author 2007-02-24 19:50:07. |
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02/24/2007 07:50:37 PM · #193 |
Originally posted by Buckeye_Fan:
I have read this entire thread and I don't understand why people are so upset with this ruling. Photography started out with taking 1 single picture. Yes in today's photographic world, there is so much you can do but for a lot of photographers, 1 photo is what we have to work with. for me, I want to see the real photo, not the one that is PS'd so much that you can't tell what the original photo was. The photo that captures life in that instance. Do I edit my photos, yes I do but that has been done for ages. But you see the real photo. Just embrace the change and rely on your photographic eye. |
Not really, Doing multiple exposures on a Brownie Camera, or a Holga is a time honored tradition in fact its easier todo it with a really really old camera then it is with some late 70's SLR's! |
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02/24/2007 07:51:15 PM · #194 |
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
Originally posted by stdavidson:
This clearly is a rule to forbid cheating. Nothing more and nothing less. It is not to prevent you from time honored techniques of photography. It just forbids you cheating by submiting images not taken during the challenge week. Is there something wrong with that?
It does not forbid you from using the full capability of your camera nor does it forbid those whose cameras don't allow that from doing it in Photoshop. It just does not allow you to do it within the limited purpose of challenges.
For those fixated with the idea that people cheat this should be a welcomed change. |
Well it forbids a single method, but to forbid all methods of cheating would require a rule against submitting at all. It hampers the ability to use a technique to create a certain style or image that may not be able to be created any other way. SO it does do more. |
You make it sound like because it doesn't address all possible ways of cheating it's a bad thing. I think it's great that one massive loophole has been closed. Would you be in favor of a compromise where composites are allowed but only if overlays are done in photoshop?
Message edited by author 2007-02-24 19:52:15. |
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02/24/2007 07:52:26 PM · #195 |
I think we should do away with rules and camera functions and just set everything to AUTO mode... ROCK ON!!!
As already stated by Super Dave these features are not new to photography it just that they have been made simpler by digital cameras as has many other photography techniques.. i.e in camera saturation, sharpening and I believe SONY have some editing features too.. when does it stop?
We do not know the technology of tomorrow thus we cannot determine the rule for tomorrow either.
As for my opinion on the new change of rules.... it wont affect my photography at all... It WAS legal, I used it, now its not legal I wont... SIMPLE
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02/24/2007 07:54:23 PM · #196 |
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
Originally posted by Buckeye_Fan:
I have read this entire thread and I don't understand why people are so upset with this ruling. Photography started out with taking 1 single picture. Yes in today's photographic world, there is so much you can do but for a lot of photographers, 1 photo is what we have to work with. for me, I want to see the real photo, not the one that is PS'd so much that you can't tell what the original photo was. The photo that captures life in that instance. Do I edit my photos, yes I do but that has been done for ages. But you see the real photo. Just embrace the change and rely on your photographic eye. |
Not really, Doing multiple exposures on a Brownie Camera, or a Holga is a time honored tradition in fact its easier todo it with a really really old camera then it is with some late 70's SLR's! |
And I stand corrected. I don't know the history of photography as well as lot of you. But to level the playing field for those of us that can't do multiple exposures in camera, I like the rule. Peace to you all.
Message edited by author 2007-02-24 19:57:22.
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02/24/2007 08:04:33 PM · #197 |
Originally posted by frisca:
The reason is exactly what Azrifel stated. You can upload an old image to your card and then overlay it with a blank image and you get a new image where it has the date of the blank but the scene of the old uploaded photo. |
LOL and I was only messing around with gary's camera for 5 minutes. :)
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02/24/2007 08:19:11 PM · #198 |
Originally posted by Buckeye_Fan:
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
Originally posted by Buckeye_Fan:
I have read this entire thread and I don't understand why people are so upset with this ruling. Photography started out with taking 1 single picture. Yes in today's photographic world, there is so much you can do but for a lot of photographers, 1 photo is what we have to work with. for me, I want to see the real photo, not the one that is PS'd so much that you can't tell what the original photo was. The photo that captures life in that instance. Do I edit my photos, yes I do but that has been done for ages. But you see the real photo. Just embrace the change and rely on your photographic eye. |
Not really, Doing multiple exposures on a Brownie Camera, or a Holga is a time honored tradition in fact its easier todo it with a really really old camera then it is with some late 70's SLR's! |
And I stand corrected. I don't know the history of photography as well as lot of you. But to level the playing field for those of us that can't do multiple exposures in camera, I like the rule. Peace to you all. |
I certainly don't agree with a 'Level the playing field' approach. What about making it against the rules for anyone with more equipment than me to use it in a challenge, or anyone more talented than me (well, that's just about everyone) to enter a challenge?
That said, it's a competition and all competitions are bound by rules. These are the rules and that's good enough for me.
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02/24/2007 08:26:34 PM · #199 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
Originally posted by stdavidson:
This clearly is a rule to forbid cheating. Nothing more and nothing less. It is not to prevent you from time honored techniques of photography. It just forbids you cheating by submiting images not taken during the challenge week. Is there something wrong with that?
It does not forbid you from using the full capability of your camera nor does it forbid those whose cameras don't allow that from doing it in Photoshop. It just does not allow you to do it within the limited purpose of challenges.
For those fixated with the idea that people cheat this should be a welcomed change. |
Well it forbids a single method, but to forbid all methods of cheating would require a rule against submitting at all. It hampers the ability to use a technique to create a certain style or image that may not be able to be created any other way. SO it does do more. |
You make it sound like because it doesn't address all possible ways of cheating it's a bad thing. I think it's great that one massive loophole has been closed. Would you be in favor of a compromise where composites are allowed but only if overlays are done in photoshop? |
Your approach opens up the exact same loophole their trying to close... and no why id rather do it with the camera, The photoshop overlay has always been not allowed in basic editing. The ME has always been open due to use any feature in camera. I oppose something that could be done on a 3 dollar film camera for the legitmate creativity of the photographer. |
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02/24/2007 08:31:28 PM · #200 |
Well, SC works very hard to keep this a fair contest for everyone and are to be commended.
Far more entries will be dq'd for someone inadvertently copying from the CF card to their editor using some transfer program that modifies it or by moving the file from one directory to another and it being unknowingly modified than will ever be hurt by this rule change.
It looks like dpc may not be for us who just like to enter a photo once in a while anymore.
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