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10/15/2002 05:43:09 PM · #26 |
How often do you..ah "polish" that thing?
Originally posted by lisae:
Since everyone's making little references to their photos without explicitly giving them away here, I will too!
To those half a dozen or so people so far who have commented on this aspect of my photo: I DO NOT HAVE MASCULINE HANDS!
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10/15/2002 06:04:03 PM · #27 |
you don't get the water taste bland comment? it's like the photo you submit that are tame, it looks bland no matter how many of them there are.
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
what's your point?
or do you even have one?
Originally posted by paganini:
[i]yeah, and water taste bland no matter how many i drink.
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
[i]HAHA
There are so many 'repellent' and 'shocking' shots this week that I'm reaping the 'tame by comparison' votes ; )
i've already had 3 comments that say something along the line of 'hey this isn't revolting. I like it!'
lol
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10/15/2002 06:44:56 PM · #28 |
Uh, if anyone really thinks a photo is truely distasteful, by all means recommend it for DQ. If not, just give me my 1 and move on. Anyway, I don't think it is distasteful anyway. Now if the challenge was "Pics To Share With Our Three-Year Olds" I would agree, but this is 7 deadly sins, DEADLY.
-oh, I really didn't think my pic was disgusting or distasteful, I guess you become accustomed to the everyday.
* This message has been edited by the author on 10/15/2002 7:09:50 PM.
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10/15/2002 07:34:37 PM · #29 |
I did not see anything "shocking".
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10/15/2002 07:42:23 PM · #30 |
Shocking is different for everyone. I know my entry offended a few people :)
Originally posted by Zeissman:
I did not see anything "shocking".
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10/15/2002 07:43:48 PM · #31 |
You know what, I wish someone would DQ my pic, put me out of my misery. All those offended people keep giving me 1's. oh well...
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10/15/2002 07:44:59 PM · #32 |
I still am of the mind that the photographer needs to reach the audience, not the other way around. Example, a shot of a soldier in his dress uniform. To some, it could represent PRIDE, because is the man is in his dress uniform that is well pressed and he is standing tall (I think this would be a bad example of destructive pride) or some me think it represents WRATH, just because he is a member of the miiltary. I think this would be an equally week depiction. In order to be succesful, there would need to be something in the photo to indictate that a feeling of WRATH is present. To many others, this could represent a SECURITY.
These are considered DEADLY sins because of the destructive nature, that needs to be hinted at.
I was going to take a picture of one of our daughters, and call it "Product of Lust", but this too would be a poor example of a deadly sin, as our daughters have good lives, and bring meaning to my life, and my wife and I are in love.
A depiction of a discarded or abandoned baby would be much better.
That is my two cents.
Originally posted by MarkRob:
I think it is important this week to shelve your personal thoughts and feelings toward the subject matter when critiquing the photos. This topic just begs photos that asked you to agree or disagree with them based on intensely personal issues. I just ask that you don't tank (or exalt) photos solely based on this issue.
I think the better question to ask yourself when reviewing the photos is "Does this say something about the Sin it is representing?" and not "Do I agree with what this person is saying?" After that, take note of the technical qualities in the image and move on.
Those are my two cents - take it or leave it. (By the way, this post was inspired by a GOOD comment on my photo - not positive, but good - and not a couple of bad ones.
* This message has been edited by the author on 10/15/2002 7:44:21 PM.
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10/15/2002 07:57:43 PM · #33 |
Zeiss, you have a bunch of '2 cents' , which is good ;-) ;-) ;-)
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10/15/2002 08:06:10 PM · #34 |
I don't know which one is yours but a lot ofoffedned people also give me 1's too, that's ok :)
Originally posted by Gekker:
You know what, I wish someone would DQ my pic, put me out of my misery. All those offended people keep giving me 1's. oh well...
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10/15/2002 08:09:02 PM · #35 |
An audience varies greatly and if all artist try to reach everyone, we'll eventually end up with very boring art. Picasso would have cut off his hands if he wanted total acceptance, i mean, 90% of the world population wouldn't understand why someone would pay millions for one of his small paintings. In the end the artist can only produce what is in his or her vision and not worry about the rest.
(The same reason why Van Gogh died PENNILESS -- his paintings are priceless today but at his time, no one liked it)
Originally posted by Zeissman:
I still am of the mind that the photographer needs to reach the audience, not the other way around. Example, a shot of a soldier in his dress uniform. To some, it could represent PRIDE, because is the man is in his dress uniform that is well pressed and he is standing tall (I think this would be a bad example of destructive pride) or some me think it represents WRATH, just because he is a member of the miiltary. I think this would be an equally week depiction. In order to be succesful, there would need to be something in the photo to indictate that a feeling of WRATH is present. To many others, this could represent a SECURITY.
These are considered DEADLY sins because of the destructive nature, that needs to be hinted at.
I was going to take a picture of one of our daughters, and call it "Product of Lust", but this too would be a poor example of a deadly sin, as our daughters have good lives, and bring meaning to my life, and my wife and I are in love.
A depiction of a discarded or abandoned baby would be much better.
That is my two cents.
Originally posted by MarkRob:
[i]I think it is important this week to shelve your personal thoughts and feelings toward the subject matter when critiquing the photos. This topic just begs photos that asked you to agree or disagree with them based on intensely personal issues. I just ask that you don't tank (or exalt) photos solely based on this issue.
I think the better question to ask yourself when reviewing the photos is "Does this say something about the Sin it is representing?" and not "Do I agree with what this person is saying?" After that, take note of the technical qualities in the image and move on.
Those are my two cents - take it or leave it. (By the way, this post was inspired by a GOOD comment on my photo - not positive, but good - and not a couple of bad ones.
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10/15/2002 08:10:31 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by Zeissman:
I still am of the mind that the photographer needs to reach the audience, not the other way around. Example, a shot of a soldier in his dress uniform. To some, it could represent PRIDE, because is the man is in his dress uniform that is well pressed and he is standing tall (I think this would be a bad example of destructive pride) or some me think it represents WRATH, just because he is a member of the miiltary. I think this would be an equally week depiction. In order to be succesful, there would need to be something in the photo to indictate that a feeling of WRATH is present. To many others, this could represent a SECURITY.
These are considered DEADLY sins because of the destructive nature, that needs to be hinted at.
I was going to take a picture of one of our daughters, and call it "Product of Lust", but this too would be a poor example of a deadly sin, as our daughters have good lives, and bring meaning to my life, and my wife and I are in love.
A depiction of a discarded or abandoned baby would be much better.
That is my two cents.
Originally posted by MarkRob:
[i]I think it is important this week to shelve your personal thoughts and feelings toward the subject matter when critiquing the photos. This topic just begs photos that asked you to agree or disagree with them based on intensely personal issues. I just ask that you don't tank (or exalt) photos solely based on this issue.
I think the better question to ask yourself when reviewing the photos is "Does this say something about the Sin it is representing?" and not "Do I agree with what this person is saying?" After that, take note of the technical qualities in the image and move on.
Those are my two cents - take it or leave it. (By the way, this post was inspired by a GOOD comment on my photo - not positive, but good - and not a couple of bad ones.
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Excellent points. Having just completed my first pass through, I found a lot of confusion shown in some of the photos. You shouldn't confuse love with lust, hunger with gluttony, etc. It's not obvious to me that a sleeping dog (cat,....) represents sloth. If I see a picture of a pretty rose, and its title is "I'm envious of its beauty", I can't relate that well to a deadly sin.
My 2 cents. Now we have 4. |
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10/15/2002 08:19:39 PM · #37 |
Zeiss and Jimmsp:
Add mine to yours and we're up to 6 cents. It's my biggest criticism about this week's challenge.
Dawn |
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10/15/2002 08:26:03 PM · #38 |
| The fear challenge had the same problem. If you do not have a popular opinioin or fear, you need to communicate why you have that opinion (or fear). |
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10/15/2002 09:11:57 PM · #39 |
| We always have trouble with people trying to judge the shots based on their own interpretation. It does say "7 deadly sins", but I don't personally think that means your pic has to be shocking or overtly explicit. This challenge is pretty open to interpretation. I think people are being a little too picky as far as meeting the topic goes. If the topic were love and I took a pic of a puppy and titled it "puppy love" then would everyone throw a fit for not meeting the challenge? Probably. |
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10/15/2002 11:51:56 PM · #40 |
Zeiss - the prop in my photo was brand new :P
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10/17/2002 02:10:11 AM · #41 |
Here I am trying to come up with an idea for next week and wondering if I should even bother. If you shoot the obvious then people say it's cliche. If you try to come up with a different take on something then you don't fit the challenge. I do subtract a point if I just totally can't figure out how something fits, but I'm lenient.
It's frustrating to get comments saying "you would get a 7 if it fit the challenge, but it doesnt so you get a 4". Lots of people DO think it meets the challenge. I set out specifically to take my shot just for the challenge. *sigh* Saying that a pic doesn't fit just because it could fit something else is a little ridiculous. Sure, some fit better than others but you don't decide a pic doesn't meet the challenge just because another pic fits it better.
As long as this site exists someone will be asking for an explanation of the topic, complaining about the voters, and saying pics dont fit the challenge. I just had to take my turn ;o) |
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10/17/2002 08:50:44 AM · #42 |
sad but true. for this 'one light source' challenge, ive heard people think it has to be a picture OF a light bulb. i've heard arguments over what "dramatically lit" really means. etc. etc.
but how hard is it really????? Seems obvious to me that this challenge is to get people to play with one light and some object/subject, and move things around and look through their camera, to give them some hands on experience with, and a better idea of, how light falls, shadows and highlights interplay, etc.
It's not a legal exercise, people! As someone who helped originate this challenge - as a direct offshoot of THIS TUTORIAL, btw, I can assure you that it's just about getting in there and playing with ONE LIGHT and pointing it at different things and looking through your camera, and hopefully teaching you something without all the distractions of multiple lights and the sun, ie. in a controllable environment. It is NOT a trick challenge :P ... Jeesh! :)
btw, indigo, shouldn't you be asleep?
Originally posted by indigo997:
Here I am trying to come up with an idea for next week and wondering if I should even bother. If you shoot the obvious then people say it's cliche. If you try to come up with a different take on something then you don't fit the challenge. I do subtract a point if I just totally can't figure out how something fits, but I'm lenient.
It's frustrating to get comments saying "you would get a 7 if it fit the challenge, but it doesnt so you get a 4". Lots of people DO think it meets the challenge. I set out specifically to take my shot just for the challenge. *sigh* Saying that a pic doesn't fit just because it could fit something else is a little ridiculous. Sure, some fit better than others but you don't decide a pic doesn't meet the challenge just because another pic fits it better.
As long as this site exists someone will be asking for an explanation of the topic, complaining about the voters, and saying pics dont fit the challenge. I just had to take my turn ;o) |
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10/17/2002 09:24:01 AM · #43 |
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
sad but true. for this 'one light source' challenge, ive heard people think it has to be a picture OF a light bulb. i've heard arguments over what "dramatically lit" really means. etc. etc.
but how hard is it really????? Seems obvious to me that this challenge is to get people to play with one light and some object/subject, and move things around and look through their camera, to give them some hands on experience with, and a better idea of, how light falls, shadows and highlights interplay, etc.
The barrier to that happening and being a useful learning experience is
that we've also overlaid the element of competition into it.
It isn't a 'play around and learn something' exercise
It is a 'take the best picture you can so that you win' competition.
Perhaps often these two goals are actaully at odds with each other.
The pictures I learn from are often not the ones I'd take to win
anything on here. If I'm trying to learn I experiment more than if
I'm trying to take something to appeal to the common view on DPC.
While you might learn something on the way to getting that populist
picture, often these sorts of exercises are better divorced from the
challenge aspect.
I think a lot of the long involved debates over 'challenge meaning'
are just people jostling for a best advantage in the contest, rather
than a real desire to come up with an interesting or creative picture
inspired by the challenge.
* This message has been edited by the author on 10/17/2002 9:22:35 AM. |
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10/17/2002 09:42:23 AM · #44 |
true, yet unfortunate.
when you're trying your hardest to make the pic that has the least likelihood of attracting negative LMV energy, exploring technique and self -expression is likely to be lost.
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
[i]sad but true. for this 'one light source' challenge, ive heard people think it has to be a picture OF a light bulb. i've heard arguments over what "dramatically lit" really means. etc. etc.
but how hard is it really????? Seems obvious to me that this challenge is to get people to play with one light and some object/subject, and move things around and look through their camera, to give them some hands on experience with, and a better idea of, how light falls, shadows and highlights interplay, etc.
The barrier to that happening and being a useful learning experience is
that we've also overlaid the element of competition into it.
It isn't a 'play around and learn something' exercise
It is a 'take the best picture you can so that you win' competition.
Perhaps often these two goals are actaully at odds with each other.
The pictures I learn from are often not the ones I'd take to win
anything on here. If I'm trying to learn I experiment more than if
I'm trying to take something to appeal to the common view on DPC.
While you might learn something on the way to getting that populist
picture, often these sorts of exercises are better divorced from the
challenge aspect.
I think a lot of the long involved debates over 'challenge meaning'
are just people jostling for a best advantage in the contest, rather
than a real desire to come up with an interesting or creative picture
inspired by the challenge. [/i]
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10/17/2002 10:17:39 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
The barrier to that happening and being a useful learning experience is
that we've also overlaid the element of competition into it.
It isn't a 'play around and learn something' exercise
It is a 'take the best picture you can so that you win' competition...
...I think a lot of the long involved debates over 'challenge meaning'
are just people jostling for a best advantage in the contest, rather
than a real desire to come up with an interesting or creative picture
inspired by the challenge.
I agree with you for the most part Gordon. I'm growing increasingly frustrated with pictures that are good, but stretched and titled to fit challenges. I'm really new at this still and I'll be the first to admit I make some pretty bonehead comments and take some shots that are anything but good. All this interpretation of challenges BS is for the birds. I think the last 2 challenges have been really full of 'creative interpretation' and I realize there is some artful type perspectives on things, where there might be some different angles to pursue a good shot without getting off the challenge topic completely.
But I think some of these folks in here are growing weary of it. I've been around here for 6 or 7 weeks now and I am. I really like this site. What DPC does for me is push me into taking shots that I wouldn't even attempt earlier, mostly because I just wouldn't think of it. It's called a challenge, and most of the time, that's what it is for me. That's great, it's what I need. And all of you folks in here that give honest, constructive criticisms, I appreciate it. I've learned a ton in only a few weeks because I get 'forced' to take pictures that I wouldn't normally pursue.
I think a lot of this 'interpretation' BS going on is by people who like to argue just to argue. I think recommending pic's for DQ because they specifically go against the challenge, or are just not on the topic except for the title is a good thing. I'm getting tired of voting for pictures that are just not challenge appropriate at all. Maybe if they got DQ'd early I wouldn't have to vote on so many of them. I think yesterday I gave about 8-2's out of my last 15 votes.
Maybe they shoulda been ones... I guess I could change them.
Forums are great, especially when you have to vent a little :)
Anyway, that's what I think.
-Invisible inspzil
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10/17/2002 10:32:50 AM · #46 |
See its funny, because while you are saying you agree with me,
you've expressed almost entirely the opposite point of view :)
I think challenge interpretation should be as loose as possible,
giving people the benefit of the doubt whenever possible.
I would never DQ someone because it doesn't meet my narrow view
of the challenge topic. I'd rather try to understand their
creative interpretation.
I'd rather see the good, imaginative, visually interesting pictures
than the dull, boring, extremely literally on challenge topic pictures.
I think the garbage challenge generated a whole lot of pictures that
were very literally shots of garbage, but the photographers forgot to
try to show it in an interesting or creative way.
Of course the likely winners are going to be both - obviously on
challenge so people don't need to think and to have the widest appeal
and also be visually interesting and technically well done.
That doesn't neccessarily mean the winners will be the most interesting
pictures. Nor does it mean that we should throw out the entries that
don't conform to the popular or literal challenge interpretation.
I argue against all the literal or narrow views of the challenge topic
week in and week out specifically because I feel that doing that is
directly opposed to what I see as the point of this site - which is
a contest that should improve your photography. It shouldn't limit
you creatively or confine you to a really narrow set of options -
appart from perhaps the very literal challenges like 'pencil'
And no, this does not mean for the all the people that enjoy
reductio ad absurdum arguments that we should throw away
the challenge idea, or just let 'anything go' but perhaps, just perhaps
people should try to widen their view rather than narrowing the meaning
as much as possible to ensure that their idea gets an advantage.
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10/17/2002 10:35:26 AM · #47 |
Hi all
1st of all, being new to this site, I would like to congratulate the makers! Great job! After only been here a week, I've already learned so much.
As for the critique to this challenge, I've received 31 comments up to now and most of them are well written and give good feedback... but you always seem to get a few bad apples in the bunch that are just plain rude. I took the time to read the sections on this site about "how to give a critique" and I would encourage everyone who seem to give purely emotional (disrespectful) comments to read this section. We are all here to learn and evolve in our photography (I think this is the site's main objective) so please critique in this way.
With a theme like this one, we should all expect some shocking pics. I've seen all of them and all are done with taste and respect. Good job to all!! |
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10/17/2002 10:45:22 AM · #48 |
Inspzil - Requesting a photo to be DQ'd is not used for if it doesn't meet the challenge. Only if it is really offensive in some way.
Also,I vote differently for photos that don't meet the challenge. Usually a score of 1-3 is reserved for photos that not only don't meet the challenge, but are poor photos in other ways as well(quality, composition, lighting, etc.). I feel it is too harsh to vote a good photo that low otherwise. IMHO.
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10/17/2002 10:54:16 AM · #49 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
The barrier to that happening and being a useful learning experience is that we've also overlaid the element of competition into it.
It isn't a 'play around and learn something' exercise. It is a 'take the best picture you can so that you win' competition.
Actually Gordon, for some of us it IS just a 'useful learning experience'... It's one of the advantages of not having a snowball's chance in hell of winning :) You folks at the top of the food chain can suffer with competition part of it all :)
(Please note the use of smileys... This post is not meant to be taken seriously :) )
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10/17/2002 10:54:57 AM · #50 |
Originally posted by TerryGee:
Inspzil - Requesting a photo to be DQ'd is not used for if it doesn't meet the challenge. Only if it is really offensive in some way.
Also,I vote differently for photos that don't meet the challenge. Usually a score of 1-3 is reserved for photos that not only don't meet the challenge, but are poor photos in other ways as well(quality, composition, lighting, etc.). I feel it is too harsh to vote a good photo that low otherwise. IMHO.
I know that it is no longer grounds for DQ, but I think it should be. I can take a broad sense of a challenge, no problem. But if I posted a photo that was good of a sunset, would you still score it a 4? It might not have anything to do with the challenge, but it's good right?
I guess the big thing that is sticking in my mind - aren't sins committed by humans? Or does sin involve every thing everywhere? This is kinda bothering me.
Thanks for responding. I was wondering if I had my text color set to white for awhile there.
Inspzil
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