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01/20/2007 08:45:13 AM · #276 |
| Thanks DPC, I like the new rules. I'd rather shoot than shop. |
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01/20/2007 10:02:16 AM · #277 |
okok .. wans't going to even bother
but then i had an idea for minimalism ;-)
.. so now custom shooting menu "D" is raw+jpg ...sigh...
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01/20/2007 10:04:44 AM · #278 |
Ok here's my little bit, I like these rules, they are simple and very clear as far as I am concerned.
As for those who say they dont want to waste space on their cards shooting RAW + JPeg, here is the bottom line. I use a 20D and always shoot RAW + Small JPeg, sure saves me having to convert or mess around seeing what I have shot, the JPegs are good enough to judge whether you have a good shot or not and all of my entries here are submitted from editing the small JPegs. Another thing, I use a 1Gb and a 2Gb compact flash card, on the 1GB using just RAW I can get approx. 105 files whereas if I shoot RAW + Small JPeg I get approx. 98 shots. Geez that is only a difference of 7 files!!!! On the 2Gb, RAW only 219 files approx. and RAW + Small JPeg 203, a difference of 16 files. I dont see how that can be a problem!
Okay thats my 2cents worth.
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01/20/2007 10:38:23 AM · #279 |
I always shoot RAW + Fine large JPEG in any case. Run out of space? Pop in another card.
Really if anyone is serious enough to be doing that much shooting that a 2Gig card becomes too small then I'm suprised you don't have either a stack of memory cards or a portable card reader / storage device.
Message edited by author 2007-01-20 10:38:35. |
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01/20/2007 11:00:49 AM · #280 |
| I do agree with the new rules, mostly...but no cropping?! I think that is a bit harsh, to even disallow something that is quite basic! |
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01/20/2007 11:01:48 AM · #281 |
| I like it :) This will be a helpful push to get back to my roots when I had to rely on good photography skills. |
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01/20/2007 11:13:26 AM · #282 |
Shame no RAW allowed, as that's all i shoot.
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01/20/2007 12:35:49 PM · #283 |
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
Originally posted by Nullix:
Ah crap!
My Canon 10D doesn't do RAW+JPEG and I'm still waiting for Canon's sub $1,000 FF digital camera before I buy another camera.
I also don't have the balls to shoot in JPEG, but I guess I'll have to sack up and do it for those challenges. If I could only use the Ctrl-U in PS RAW Converter instead. |
the 10d does do raw plus jpeg by default although the jpeg is imbedded in the raw and you need to extract it with the software. I never got it to work but that might have been because i was using a much newer version of software than what came with the 10d.
this is from the canon website and you can see that they list the file size for raw plus jpeg
(1) Large/Fine: Approx. 2.4 MB (3072x2048 pixels) (2) Large/Normal: Approx. 1.2 MB (3072x2048 pixels) (3) Medium/Fine: Approx. 1.3 MB (2048x1360 pixels) (4) Medium/Normal: Approx. 0.7 MB (2048x1360 pixels) (5) Small/Fine: Approx. 0.8 MB (1536x1024 pixels) (6) Small/Normal: Approx. 0.4 MB (1536x1024 pixels (7) RAW (3072x2048 pixels) RAW + Small/Normal: Approx. 6.0 MB RAW + Small/Fine: Approx. 6.4 MB RAW + Medium/Normal: Approx. 6.2 MB RAW + Medium/Fine: Approx. 6.8 MB RAW + Large/Normal: Approx. 6.7 MB RAW + Large/Fine: Approx. 8.0 MB * Exact file sizes depend on the subject and ISO speed.
I sold my 10d so i can't check the manual but i know it is in there. |
For others with the 10D (actually Canon File Utility Viewer). The "Extract Save JPEG" option for me has always been greyed out. You have to change the processing mode from "Common Processing" to "EOS 10D" and this will give you the ability to extract the JPEG. |
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01/20/2007 12:45:23 PM · #284 |
Originally posted by terje:
I'd love to see someone winning a "Expert Rules" challenge, by using only these "minimal rules", that would be so cool. :-) Who's willing to try? |
I am pretty sure that there are members of DPC that could win that challenge! But run two separate challenges, one with 'Expert' and one with 'Minimal', then have a runoff among the top ten of each challenge. there are some very talented and creative photogs here, would be fun to see! |
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01/20/2007 02:12:59 PM · #285 |
Originally posted by terje:
I'd love to see someone winning a "Expert Rules" challenge, by using only these "minimal rules", that would be so cool. :-) Who's willing to try? |
I am in ... I got my shot! ... took all day and a threat of a divorce ... but I am IN! |
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01/20/2007 03:07:11 PM · #286 |
Originally posted by mist:
I always shoot RAW + Fine large JPEG in any case. Run out of space? Pop in another card.
Really if anyone is serious enough to be doing that much shooting that a 2Gig card becomes too small then I'm suprised you don't have either a stack of memory cards or a portable card reader / storage device. |
Money doesn't grow on trees... |
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01/20/2007 03:14:49 PM · #287 |
Originally posted by kearock:
Originally posted by mist:
I always shoot RAW + Fine large JPEG in any case. Run out of space? Pop in another card.
Really if anyone is serious enough to be doing that much shooting that a 2Gig card becomes too small then I'm suprised you don't have either a stack of memory cards or a portable card reader / storage device. |
Money doesn't grow on trees... |
One of many reasons a lot of us don't have a dSLR, or the option of shooting in RAW at all.
Every challenge presents some problems for the photographer to overcome -- that's why it's a challenge. There have been other cases of participation being limited by hardware limitations -- for example, I was unable to enter one of the long-exposure challenges because my longest possible exposure wasn't long enough ... |
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01/20/2007 03:53:49 PM · #288 |
Not to sound rude (I hope I don't)
But, if you are shooting 2,4,6 GBs for a challenge entry, you might want to start entering more minimal editing challenges.
Photoshop goes a long way, but everyone of us should strive to get the BEST possible photo from the camera to start with. If you are shooting huge loads of files to get one challenge entry, it's time to slow down and think before pressing that shutter release.
You'll save wear and tear on your camera and on your poor eyeballs from having to sift through all that.
I find it interesting that the first Minimal editing challenge is a composition challenges. That was a smart choice by the admins, in my opinion. I hope we'll see many technical challenges under this rule set.
Message edited by author 2007-01-20 16:10:00.
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01/20/2007 03:56:28 PM · #289 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Not to sound rude (I hope I don't)
But, if you are shooting 2,4,6 GBs for a challenge entry, you might want to start entering more minimal editing challenges.
Photoshop goes a long way, but everyone of us should strive to get the BEST possible photo from the camera to start with. If you are shooting huge loads of files to get one challenge entry, it's time to slow down and think before pressing that shutter release.
You'll save wear and tear on your camera and on your poor eyeballs from having to sift through all that.
I find it interesting that BOTH the first Minimal editing challenges are composition challenges. That was a smart choice by the admins, in my opinion. I hope we'll see many technical challenges under this rule set. |
I agree.
Though I can only see one minimal editing challenge. |
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01/20/2007 04:06:33 PM · #290 |
Originally posted by mist:
I agree.
Though I can only see one minimal editing challenge. |
When I first saw the two new challenges I saw the Minimilistic challenge was Minimal Editing. I was occupied at the time with work and didn't read the Fill the Frame challenge properly. Until yesterday when I read someones post about using 6 images for their entry. That made me realise they are two completely different challenges.
That got me thinking...why on earth would you use Expert Editing for a close up shot of sorts. But then I got a wicked idea...something I had been wanting to try for ages. So guess what...I am going to do it. I think that is what I like about the expert challenges...it gives you the opportunity to try something you have always wanted to try but never had the opportunity or excuse to do it.
And the same with the Minimal...it makes you take that step back and test your technical skills. Fine tuning both areas really keeps your motor shiny.
So good luck everyone...I look forward to seeing your entries.
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01/20/2007 04:07:34 PM · #291 |
Originally posted by mist:
I agree.
Though I can only see one minimal editing challenge. |
Darn it, here I was not paying attention, I though Fill the Frame was Min editing too.. :-)
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01/20/2007 04:09:57 PM · #292 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by mist:
I agree.
Though I can only see one minimal editing challenge. |
Darn it, here I was not paying attention, I though Fill the Frame was Min editing too.. :-) |
I guess it can be, if you fancy a real challenge ;) |
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01/20/2007 04:10:03 PM · #293 |
| that's the good part leroryfotomanforevershakalaka, you could enter fill the frame with a minimal editing entry. :) |
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01/20/2007 04:11:21 PM · #294 |
Originally posted by mist:
I guess it can be, if you fancy a real challenge ;) |
Fill the Frame would probably be easier for ME than Minimalism for this rule set. I may just take you up on that challenge. You with me?
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01/20/2007 04:16:10 PM · #295 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by mist:
I guess it can be, if you fancy a real challenge ;) |
Fill the Frame would probably be easier for ME than Minimalism for this rule set. I may just take you up on that challenge. You with me? |
Believe me, if I can find something to fill the frame with, it won't need much more than minimal editing. My "skills" are not up there with the extreme editors. |
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01/20/2007 06:50:29 PM · #296 |
well i can't say i have all the posts on here, so sorry if i am repeating things.
I think this will be fun and a great learning experience but i was a little disappointed that we can use the unsharp mask. You can do some fairly bizarre things with unsharp mask if you play with the settings a lot and apply it a few times.
When you shrink the image down so much, it should be pretty sharp allready... so i think it would be nice to dis-allow the unsharp mask as well.
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01/20/2007 06:51:31 PM · #297 |
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01/20/2007 06:53:52 PM · #298 |
Originally posted by leaf:
When you shrink the image down so much, it should be pretty sharp allready... so i think it would be nice to dis-allow the unsharp mask as well. |
Depends on what you use. But resampling the image down only softens it more.
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01/20/2007 07:11:30 PM · #299 |
Originally posted by leaf:
so i think it would be nice to dis-allow the unsharp mask as well. |
As stated elsewhere in this thread, USM is already not allowed in this ruleset.
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01/20/2007 07:43:15 PM · #300 |
Originally posted by Manic:
Originally posted by leaf:
so i think it would be nice to dis-allow the unsharp mask as well. |
As stated elsewhere in this thread, USM is already not allowed in this ruleset. |
2nd post in this thread ;-)
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