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01/19/2007 06:43:48 AM · #151 |
| This is most defintely an `Old School` ruleset.. I love it!! |
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01/19/2007 07:17:49 AM · #152 |
Don't forget that voters typically vote based on the challenge topic and limitations - not just the image itself. Being that this is a new "style" people will be looking for amazingly captured images - not double-exposures and sepia tones made in-camera. Needless to say, my money is on an amazingly timed capture with no in-camera edits. I feel like I recommended this minimal editting to someone but maybe it was just in my mind.
oops I quoted the wrong thing - anyway the one I wanted to quote suggested that in-camera edits would win ;]
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
When using Save for Web, you choose a sharpening algorithm. I believe the only ones are in the bicubic family. Are these allowed or should we be using save as and some other sharpening algorithm? |
You're actually choosing a resampling algorithm; one of therm happens to be "bicubic sharper"...
R. |
Message edited by author 2007-01-19 07:19:01. |
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01/19/2007 07:24:44 AM · #153 |
| I think a rule like this will give those purists a good chance to show their skills. One can really over do things with too much post processing. "WYSIWYG", sounds good to be. BUT!...let me ask this question as an option for all those RAW folks. Let's also have an editing category that requires submissions to be captured in RAW only. Those of us who take what our camera's give us have a platform, and those who want to control everything can have their platform. Now i realize RAW is more like how photography used to be with an original image made digitally more like a negative. BUT, there are also many photographers who have developed their skills based on the digital platform 99% of us usually use. |
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01/19/2007 07:31:24 AM · #154 |
no RAW ??
a set of challenges i will NOT be entering
why not just tell everyone that they HAVE TO f4 1/60 iso200 ?
bah..
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01/19/2007 07:36:15 AM · #155 |
Originally posted by ralph:
no RAW ??
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Just a question to those who don't want to shoot if they can't use RAW - what good would it do you to shoot RAW if no editing is allowed?
I plan on shooting RAW+jpeg just in case (and yes, I know the odds are very long) I happen to get that One Good Shot that I'd want to later process outside a challenge.
And as with the expert editing, if you don't like it, don't play. I don't play in Expert but that doesn't mean I think it should go away. I like having all the choices. |
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01/19/2007 07:39:25 AM · #156 |
Only shoot raw, so unless I have my Fuji with me I will not be entering.
No USM sucks enormously.
I do not feel inclined to enter, let alone to vote or comment on these challenges.
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01/19/2007 07:42:46 AM · #157 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Originally posted by kearock:
(I shoot in RAW and don't like to use the +JPEG (seems like a waste of memory card space when I can easily generate preview JPEGS on my computer)). |
Just add the small jpeg - it's plenty big for challenge photos and really doesn't take that much space. |
The small jpeg of the D70 sucks.
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01/19/2007 07:48:29 AM · #158 |
| Just one question, I quite think this will probably be allowed, can we, at the time of shooting, forcibly use a different white balance setting so either `warm` or `cool` our images? I am not talking about adjusting WB post-shot, I mean, setting the white-balance on sunlight when shooting under tungsten (for example).. is this allowed? I am sure its within the spirit of the ruleset. |
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01/19/2007 07:51:55 AM · #159 |
Originally posted by marksimms:
Just one question, I quite think this will probably be allowed, can we, at the time of shooting, forcibly use a different white balance setting so either `warm` or `cool` our images? I am not talking about adjusting WB post-shot, I mean, setting the white-balance on sunlight when shooting under tungsten (for example).. is this allowed? I am sure its within the spirit of the ruleset. |
Since the rules say that "you may use any feature of your camera while photographing your entry", you should be able to adjust your camera's white balance feature to your heart's desire. |
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01/19/2007 07:57:20 AM · #160 |
Originally posted by Azrifel:
I do not feel inclined to enter, let alone to vote or comment on these challenges. |
Yaaay! One less competitor! Any image I enter will now place one spot higher! Yaaay! Thank you, thank you, thank you!
:) |
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01/19/2007 07:59:55 AM · #161 |
Originally posted by nards656:
Originally posted by Azrifel:
I do not feel inclined to enter, let alone to vote or comment on these challenges. |
Yaaay! One less competitor! Any image I enter will now place one spot higher! Yaaay! Thank you, thank you, thank you!
:) |
I love your positive attitude :-) |
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01/19/2007 08:00:06 AM · #162 |
Originally posted by marksimms:
Just one question, I quite think this will probably be allowed, can we, at the time of shooting, forcibly use a different white balance setting so either `warm` or `cool` our images? I am not talking about adjusting WB post-shot, I mean, setting the white-balance on sunlight when shooting under tungsten (for example).. is this allowed? I am sure its within the spirit of the ruleset. |
I'd think so as well - one of the neat features of this ruleset is it will help us all learn different ways to use our cameras. That's a good thing. |
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01/19/2007 08:07:36 AM · #163 |
I really like this ruleset - it's going to be a real challenge to have to shoot a "complete" picture.
Only thing I'm not crazy about is the "no cropping" rule - composition wise it's going to be a limiting factore. As an example: You will not be able to do square crops (unless you have a Hasselblad or other medium format camera of course).
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01/19/2007 08:13:00 AM · #164 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
I'd think so as well - one of the neat features of this ruleset is it will help us all learn different ways to use our cameras. That's a good thing. |
Don't you mean redundant features ;-)
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01/19/2007 08:18:27 AM · #165 |
"You may: include existing images or artwork as part of your composition as long as the entry does not appear to consist entirely of a pre-existing photograph in order to circumvent date or editing rules or fool the voters into thinking you actually captured the original photograph."
What does this mean? |
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01/19/2007 08:21:37 AM · #166 |
Originally posted by Giorgio:
"You may: include existing images or artwork as part of your composition as long as the entry does not appear to consist entirely of a pre-existing photograph in order to circumvent date or editing rules or fool the voters into thinking you actually captured the original photograph."
What does this mean? |
It means exactly the same in all 4 rulesets - you can take a photo of an artwork, as long as you're not trying to fool the voters into thinking the artwork *is* your photo (eg a photo of solely another photo).
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01/19/2007 08:29:37 AM · #167 |
I think this is fantastic. To me this is more of a photography challenge than expert editing which is really just a photoshop challenge. And after all, isn't this site about photography?
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01/19/2007 08:30:45 AM · #168 |
Originally posted by Manic:
Originally posted by Giorgio:
"You may: include existing images or artwork as part of your composition as long as the entry does not appear to consist entirely of a pre-existing photograph in order to circumvent date or editing rules or fool the voters into thinking you actually captured the original photograph."
What does this mean? |
It means exactly the same in all 4 rulesets - you can take a photo of an artwork, as long as you're not trying to fool the voters into thinking the artwork *is* your photo (eg a photo of solely another photo). |
Thanks Manic! |
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01/19/2007 09:06:38 AM · #169 |
Great stuff langdon, this was needed! Looking very much forward to trying this!
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01/19/2007 09:15:23 AM · #170 |
I love this entire rule set except not being able to remove sensor dust. Seems to me the spirit of the rule set is to emphasize photographic in camera shooting skills, not camera cleaning skills.
Oh well, out comes my neutral grads and my Olympus.
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01/19/2007 09:21:45 AM · #171 |
| I like it all, even the no cropping rule. Puts a premium on what you can do, and see, with the camera. Nice way to kick them off too, with a minimalism challenge for these and a companion maximus challenge for the expert photoshoppers. I'll be taking my camera with me to work today, hoping to skate out early to start shooting. Great idea. |
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01/19/2007 09:28:56 AM · #172 |
I think it is great to have a set of rules that force you to take the best possible capture that you can. That sort of discipline is helpful for all of the other rulesets too - get the best starting point then go from there.
These certainly aren't anything like what I would use for day to day shooting, but the practice is helpful. No cropping in particular is a good thing to practice.
Straight from the camera :
When do we get the cellphone camera ruleset ? After all, Nokia out sold Canon, Nikon and all the others combined last year for camera sales.
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01/19/2007 10:22:07 AM · #173 |
Originally posted by Manic:
For those of you wondering about multiple exposures done in camera, this would be prohibited by the following line of the rules:
[quote=The Rules]You Must ... create your entry from a single capture. |
Huh? Then why have multiple captures been allowed, like this one (sorry, Joe - just needed an example):
The rules say this:
"You must ... create your entry from a single capture."
That language is in the minimal, basic, and advanced rules. D200 users out there, and everyone above who's debating whether that feature is helpful or not, did you know it's no longer allowed?
Originally posted by Manic:
As for in-camera editing, the 'You Must' and 'You Must Not' sections have precedence over the 'You May', thus any in-camera feature that uses a tool that's covered in the 'You May Not' section is not permitted. |
Again, huh? There is no section titled "You Must Not," and I don't understand how we're supposed to know whether "may" takes precedence over "may not" or the other way around.
Again, not a minor point, and it would really be unfortunate to have someone use an in-camera editing feature and then be DQd when a simple language change would clear it up unambiguously.
Finally, could someone from the SC please clarify whether you can sharpen more than once? Scalvert said something indicating no, but the rules don't say anything about it.
Message edited by author 2007-01-19 10:44:34.
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01/19/2007 10:48:01 AM · #174 |
| Just for the record, there have been challenges with this very similar ruleset before. There is another one somewhere, but I'm not finding it right now. |
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01/19/2007 11:10:15 AM · #175 |
Originally posted by karmat:
Just for the record, there have been challenges with this very similar ruleset before. There is another one somewhere, but I'm not finding it right now. |
Straight from the Camera |
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