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06/11/2003 03:15:30 PM · #1 |
This has probably been discussed in the past. How would you feel about a rule requiring voters to leave comments on a certain percentage of entries (similar to the voting rule). If, let's say, you commented on less than 20% of the entries, your votes get scrapped. Maybe 10% (on average, 20 comments) would be more realistic.
Pros: More comments! A more qualified voting base
Cons: People that have less time to participate (non-DPC adicts) have less influence.
What you say?
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06/11/2003 03:17:35 PM · #2 |
Cons: People trying to fill their quota leaving unhelpful one word comments.
"Cool" "Boring" "?"
just some of them I think we would get. this would be good, if people would take it seriously... but I don't think it will work.
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06/11/2003 03:19:49 PM · #3 |
| Actually if anything I think Mandatory Comments should be done for all ONES and TENS given. If you dislike something so much to give it a one you should be able to express what you dislike and if you like something well enough you should be able to say why you like it so well. |
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06/11/2003 03:24:11 PM · #4 |
| I aggre with OSS, my personal rule is if the photo moved me enough to give a ten or one then that person deserves a comment. I usually comment on 2,3,8,9 as well but not always. |
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06/11/2003 03:24:20 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by RiderGal:
Cons: People trying to fill their quota leaving unhelpful one word comments.
"Cool" "Boring" "?" |
Good point. |
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06/11/2003 03:24:37 PM · #6 |
I like OneSweetSin's idea better, I think it would be more useful.
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06/11/2003 03:25:26 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by RiderGal:
Cons: People trying to fill their quota leaving unhelpful one word comments.
"Cool" "Boring" "?"
just some of them I think we would get. this would be good, if people would take it seriously... but I don't think it will work. |
Then rate the comments....1 to 5 and n/a just like the tutorials....rate the ratings.....just don't make it mandatory...lol BTW I'm not making light of your comment here. There are so many difficulties involve, but I do think we need a structured commenting system and if we have to make it mandatory, so be it.
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06/11/2003 03:27:50 PM · #8 |
There are other threads out there that have dealt with this issue before. If you make it mandatory to leave a comment on any given voter's score, then a) people will either leave worthless comments (as has already been noted), or b) they will simply stop using those numbers -- instead of 1s and 10s, they'll start giving out 2s and 9s....
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06/11/2003 04:11:05 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by Patella:
or b) they will simply stop using those numbers -- instead of 1s and 10s, they'll start giving out 2s and 9s.... |
But isn̢۪t that better in the long run. Having a 1 with an unknown poster or reason is useless to the photographer. If its an issue of being anonymous then have the ability to make the comment anonymous. |
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06/11/2003 04:15:16 PM · #10 |
And then there will be complaints that no one said why I got a "2" (which would have been a 1 without this "rule").
Frankly, I don't like the idea of mandatory comments. I really can't see forcing someone to make a comment. I would rather get one or two voluntarily than 10 or 15 forced.
Another thing, if you require people to comment, I suspect most will comment on the higher pictures, because they are easier and "more fun" to comment on, and that would still leave out the chunk of pictures that could use the most advice.
In short, I don't think there is a quick or easy answer to this "dilemma." Just leave as many comments as you can, and you will start to learn from that, hopefully.
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06/11/2003 04:21:17 PM · #11 |
| I suggest that everyone comment only on what they want to comment on. No more... No less... Let the photograph inspire the viewer to comment rather than a rule. |
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06/11/2003 04:24:46 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I suggest that everyone comment only on what they want to comment on. No more... No less... Let the photograph inspire the viewer to comment rather than a rule. |
Here here! We don't want this site to become Communist now do we??? "free at last, free at alst, oh Lord all mighty, I'm free at last" :o)
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06/11/2003 04:25:30 PM · #13 |
I also don't like the idea of making it mandatory.
Those who feel moved to comment do, those who don't will likely not suddenly begin to provide useful comments just because the system makes them slap something in there.
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06/11/2003 04:29:45 PM · #14 |
Rather than a list of standard comments (which some people might use), I think I'll work on a list of standard "stands" on the various issues here, so when the "usual" thread pops up every 6-10 weeks I can cut-and-paste instead of re-writing every essay ... I suggest everyone in favor of any form of mandatory commenting rule use it themselves, regardless of what others do--if it is effective, you will lead by example. If not, you will discover its impracticality.
I better take a break .... |
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06/11/2003 04:37:02 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I suggest that everyone comment only on what they want to comment on. No more... No less... Let the photograph inspire the viewer to comment rather than a rule. |
The same can be said for having to vote on 20% of the images.
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06/11/2003 04:37:02 PM · #16 |
I think forcing people to comment on images is a good thing. For the liquid contest (first one on this site) I came in 167th place, and my average was like a 3.8, but I got only 5 comments on my image. I am using this site to help boost my use of my digital camera and without comments I can't get any better. I think forcing people to comment on just as many images as they have to vote on is too much.
Maybe each person should be forced to comment on about 5% of the images. So in a typical contest you have about 200 images and you have to comment on at least 10 of them.
But, I agree these need to be useful comments, not comments like "i like it" or "i hate it", but comments like you might want to try shooting from this angle or use a bit more contrast on the image.
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06/11/2003 04:41:02 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by jerrft:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I suggest that everyone comment only on what they want to comment on. No more... No less... Let the photograph inspire the viewer to comment rather than a rule. |
The same can be said for having to vote on 20% of the images. |
Not true, because the scores contribute to the ranking and comments do not. It's not problem if someone wants to comment on two photos out of a hundred, but if they were to vote on only two photos (say a 1 and a 10) it is considered unfair and manipulative. The 20% rule is a compromise between fairness and the reality of people's time and connection speed. |
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06/11/2003 04:47:03 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by alternarule:
I think forcing people to comment on images is a good thing. For the liquid contest (first one on this site) I came in 167th place, and my average was like a 3.8, but I got only 5 comments on my image. I am using this site to help boost my use of my digital camera and without comments I can't get any better. I think forcing people to comment on just as many images as they have to vote on is too much.
Maybe each person should be forced to comment on about 5% of the images. So in a typical contest you have about 200 images and you have to comment on at least 10 of them.
But, I agree these need to be useful comments, not comments like "i like it" or "i hate it", but comments like you might want to try shooting from this angle or use a bit more contrast on the image. |
I learn more from looking at other photos here than by the comments I get on my own shots. When I love a shot and I'd like to know how it's done, I ask the photographer directly if they haven't described the shot. That's how I learn on this wonderful site.
Most people comment on the good aspects of a photo... heck I already know those! LOL
Hey! I ahve an idea.... lets end this thread right now. Hehehehe ;o)
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06/11/2003 05:24:20 PM · #19 |
dunno if someone has pointed this out yet, but a while back, we ACTUALLY TRIED HERE ON DPC, as an experiment, locking out submission until a person had either
a) voted on 100% of the images or
b) commented on 25% of the images
in a challenge.
You would not could not BELIEVE the outcry against this :) .... Alot of people in this thread weren't here when we already tried it.
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06/11/2003 05:45:56 PM · #20 |
When i registered here last July, the debate was raging about requiring to comment on 25% of the pictures or vote on 100%. Fortunately, the requirement got scrapped soon. To make commenting a requirement is counterproductive IMO. The quality of the comments would go way down and so would the quantity of the votes.
I don't have dsl and most weeks i vote 100% on both challenges and leave a number of lengthy comments. Any idea how much time that takes me? So, the last week or so i have given myself a break by not commenting and for a challenge or two, to not vote either or vote less than 100%. I like to have those options available to me.
Message edited by author 2003-06-11 17:47:29. |
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06/11/2003 07:22:45 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by jerrft:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I suggest that everyone comment only on what they want to comment on. No more... No less... Let the photograph inspire the viewer to comment rather than a rule. |
The same can be said for having to vote on 20% of the images. |
That's for an entirely different reason. That's so that voting isn't as skewed as it would be if a large number of people voted only 5 or 6 images a week. The ideal is to as close to normalize the number of votes any given shot gets as possible so every vote has a similar weight in determining outcome. Otherwise you might get one photo with 10 votes, one with 30, and one with 100, which could make a big difference in the outcome. |
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06/11/2003 07:39:58 PM · #22 |
I thought I had posted this earlier but cannot find it -- my apologies if this is a repeat broadcast...
I like the system on PhotoBlink where each image has a scoring range (usually 5 - 8) in which you can score anonymously. However, if you want to score lower OR higher then a comment is required before allowing you to do so.
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06/11/2003 08:51:55 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I suggest that everyone comment only on what they want to comment on. No more... No less... Let the photograph inspire the viewer to comment rather than a rule. |
Agreed. I hate to see comments just for the sake of commenting. I would like to think that if a photo gets very few comments, it is because it didn't move people enough to get a comment - good or bad - out of them. |
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06/11/2003 10:13:32 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by Jak:
I thought I had posted this earlier but cannot find it -- my apologies if this is a repeat broadcast...
I like the system on PhotoBlink where each image has a scoring range (usually 5 - 8) in which you can score anonymously. However, if you want to score lower OR higher then a comment is required before allowing you to do so. |
I like this idea too. Maybe modified a little so the mandatory votes are for 1,2,9, and 10. That makes it more ballanced. In other words, 3 - 8 would be a "freezone." I know, I'm dreaming again. ;)
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06/11/2003 11:02:50 PM · #25 |
I think comments are a gift, not a right.
If you recieve a comment is is a gift to you. If you make one you give a gift.
All this complaining about comments is just an ego thing. Notice me, please.
If you are here to learn, make lots of in depth comments. That's the best way to improve your own photography. Compare your shot to the other entries.
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