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 12/22/2006 12:42:07 AM · #276
Originally posted by Gaby_G:
Originally posted by timfythetoo:
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
They need to rename that country to Skyland
Originally posted by dmadden:
those icelanders sure rule the sky :)

And next week it will be "Harsh Environmentland". Could they have served it up to them any easier?


What is a harsh enviroment?


Somewhere volcanic and maybe icy ?
 12/22/2006 12:42:21 AM · #277
Originally posted by Gaby_G:
Originally posted by timfythetoo:
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
They need to rename that country to Skyland
Originally posted by dmadden:
those icelanders sure rule the sky :)

And next week it will be "Harsh Environmentland". Could they have served it up to them any easier?


What is a harsh enviroment?


Think extreme temperatures like ice...
 12/22/2006 12:43:11 AM · #278
Originally posted by Gaby_G:
Originally posted by timfythetoo:
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
They need to rename that country to Skyland
Originally posted by dmadden:
those icelanders sure rule the sky :)

And next week it will be "Harsh Environmentland". Could they have served it up to them any easier?


What is a harsh enviroment?


or a shopping mall on the Saturday before Christmas.
 12/22/2006 12:43:44 AM · #279
So should the rest of us even bother? lol
12/22/2006 12:44:02 AM · #280
Originally posted by timfythetoo:
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
They need to rename that country to Skyland
Originally posted by dmadden:
those icelanders sure rule the sky :)

And next week it will be "Harsh Environmentland". Could they have served it up to them any easier?


LMAO :D
 12/22/2006 12:47:26 AM · #281
Originally posted by timfythetoo:
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
They need to rename that country to Skyland
Originally posted by dmadden:
those icelanders sure rule the sky :)

And next week it will be "Harsh Environmentland". Could they have served it up to them any easier?


Well, there's a Cape Codder between those two Icelanders... As for "Harsh Environments", we have a lot of people who have access to deserts, so ice won't necessarily rule.

R.
 12/22/2006 12:50:36 AM · #282
So it has to be something with nature? WHYYYYYYYY????????? BUT... lucky me, I am going on vacation to Israel where I will have lots of desert yo shoot... muahaha!!! (I just wish I`ll have the time to edit)
 12/22/2006 12:54:49 AM · #283
Wisconsin can be pretty harsh any day now sub zero temps will arrive but not sure if it will be before this challenge deadline.
12/22/2006 12:55:28 AM · #284
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by idnic:
62nd! I was off by 3 LOL

Grats to the top, great shots, guys!! :)


I beat Cindi, I beat Cindi :-)


Hey, you and I both beat Cindi AND Judi. :)

Edited: Oh! I didn't realize "harsh environment" was literal. Guess I'll check the challenges page before posting again. ;) Maybe I can come up with something in CO!

Message edited by author 2006-12-22 00:56:40.
 12/22/2006 01:00:04 AM · #285
Originally posted by Gaby_G:
So it has to be something with nature? WHYYYYYYYY????????? BUT... lucky me, I am going on vacation to Israel where I will have lots of desert yo shoot... muahaha!!! (I just wish I`ll have the time to edit)


No, of course not. A prison would work, for example, very well in fact. The possibilities are broad. We're just ragging on the Icelanders here, ignore us :-)

R.
 12/22/2006 01:09:55 AM · #286
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Gaby_G:
So it has to be something with nature? WHYYYYYYYY????????? BUT... lucky me, I am going on vacation to Israel where I will have lots of desert yo shoot... muahaha!!! (I just wish I`ll have the time to edit)


No, of course not. A prison would work, for example, very well in fact. The possibilities are broad. We're just ragging on the Icelanders here, ignore us :-)

R.


Oooo :D thaks :D such a shame I`ll not have time to shoot :( ...
And, I actually think someone has to stop the icelanders! jaja
 12/22/2006 01:35:13 AM · #287
Originally posted by levyj413:


Hey, you and I both beat Cindi AND Judi. :)


Ya well...anyone can beat my photo editing...it obviously sucks!
 12/22/2006 01:58:31 AM · #288
For a harsh environment I was thinking of photographing the voters from this challenge. :P
 12/22/2006 02:08:05 AM · #289
Originally posted by yanko:
For a harsh environment I was thinking of photographing the voters from this challenge. :P

I am curious as to why everyone thought the voters were all so harsh. There was an 8+ score, 11 7's, and 54 of 123 entries were over 6, and the average score 5.89 per entry, which is the 7th highest ever in DPC. And quite a few shots with extensive editing did really well. any thoughts?

Message edited by author 2006-12-22 02:08:48.
 12/22/2006 02:19:20 AM · #290
Originally posted by jdannels:
Originally posted by yanko:
For a harsh environment I was thinking of photographing the voters from this challenge. :P

I am curious as to why everyone thought the voters were all so harsh. There was an 8+ score, 11 7's, and 54 of 123 entries were over 6, and the average score 5.89 per entry, which is the 7th highest ever in DPC. And quite a few shots with extensive editing did really well. any thoughts?


The obvious composites received a lot more 5s, 4s, 3s, 2s and 1s than the entries that looked straight out of the camera. Even though some composites scored well they all were held down due to those low votes.
12/22/2006 02:32:38 AM · #291
Originally posted by yanko:
The obvious composites received a lot more 5s, 4s, 3s, 2s and 1s than the entries that looked straight out of the camera. Even though some composites scored well they all were held down due to those low votes.


I noticed your post-challenge comment on Judi's image. (Judi, don't think I'm picking on you.. I liked your image and think it was edited quite nicely. I really just want to understand this stuff for when I enter something in expert editing.) The comments* talked about how the editing was done well but the image overall was too busy. Is this what you mean by people voting down composites, or is it possible to have a composite image that is not too busy?

edit:
* the comments during the challenge, for the most part

Message edited by author 2006-12-22 02:35:12.
 12/22/2006 02:39:48 AM · #292
Originally posted by klstover:
Originally posted by yanko:
The obvious composites received a lot more 5s, 4s, 3s, 2s and 1s than the entries that looked straight out of the camera. Even though some composites scored well they all were held down due to those low votes.


I noticed your post-challenge comment on Judi's image. (Judi, don't think I'm picking on you.. I liked your image and think it was edited quite nicely. I really just want to understand this stuff for when I enter something in expert editing.) The comments talked about how the editing was done well but the image overall was too busy. Is this what you mean by people voting down composites, or is it possible to have a composite image that is not too busy?


No not at all. I'm not referring to just Judi's entry but those types in general. Take metatate's shot for example which finished 4th. He got 15 votes of a 4. You have to total up the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 5th place winners to equal that amount of 4s. Thats the sort of thing I am referring to.

Message edited by author 2006-12-22 02:41:54.
 12/22/2006 02:54:28 AM · #293
Take metatate's shot for example which finished 4th. He got 15 votes of a 4. You have to total up the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 5th place winners to equal that amount of 4s. Thats the sort of thing I am referring to. [/quote]

Yeah I see your point, I just went and looked through all the entries, and almost all the obvious composites, it seems, the same fifteen people gave them 4's. But then the rules say keep your entries photographic in nature, which many of the composites looks like digital art. I am sure this was talked to death in this thread so I am probably beating the dead horse...
I like the digital art, I think SC will come up with a digital art rules set and a nearly no edit rules set soon enough to compensate.
 12/22/2006 02:55:39 AM · #294
Okay *nodnod*

Thanks for explaining.

I do hope that people will get a bit more "used to" the different processing. Some shots really took advantage of the expert rules in a way that enhanced image components rather than drew attention to the editing (see my comment here) and some did not. For the ones that didn't, I'd expect them to score a bit lower, but in addition, I would be willing to bet that scores for "obvious composites" were influenced at least a little bit by unfamiliarity with seeing these types of images in challenges.
 12/22/2006 02:59:49 AM · #295
Originally posted by jdannels:

Yeah I see your point, I just went and looked through all the entries, and almost all the obvious composites, it seems, the same fifteen people gave them 4's. But then the rules say keep your entries photographic in nature, which many of the composites looks like digital art. I am sure this was talked to death in this thread so I am probably beating the dead horse...
I like the digital art, I think SC will come up with a digital art rules set and a nearly no edit rules set soon enough to compensate.


That would be cool along with strict rule sets with no editing allowed but I think if these new rule sets are to "work" then the photos tailored for them should be the ones winning the ribbons and not photos that can be entered in say basic. Otherwise it totally defeats the point of these added rule sets, IMO.

Message edited by author 2006-12-22 03:00:06.
 12/22/2006 03:00:22 AM · #296
Originally posted by klstover:
Okay *nodnod*

Thanks for explaining.

I do hope that people will get a bit more "used to" the different processing. Some shots really took advantage of the expert rules in a way that enhanced image components rather than drew attention to the editing (see my comment here) and some did not. For the ones that didn't, I'd expect them to score a bit lower, but in addition, I would be willing to bet that scores for "obvious composites" were influenced at least a little bit by unfamiliarity with seeing these types of images in challenges.


......and then there were the ones that openly admitted to not liking photo art techniques and went through and voted them all low. If they don't like it...then stay out! We all entered the same challenge...some of the images were obviously extensive editing and yet they suffered whilst the others didn't...and why...because they were classed as 'photo art'. Give me a break!
 12/22/2006 03:11:17 AM · #297
You know... this has gotten me thinking. Sometimes people submit to challenges without reading the challenge description (only reading the title). I wonder how many voters didn't check the forums and didn't click on the "Expert Editing" link?

As for people who specifically and knowingly voted down heavily edited stuff "just because"..... mmf.
 12/22/2006 03:16:14 AM · #298
Originally posted by yanko:

That would be cool along with strict rule sets with no editing allowed but I think if these new rule sets are to "work" then the photos tailored for them should be the ones winning the ribbons and not photos that can be entered in say basic. Otherwise it totally defeats the point of these added rule sets, IMO.

I can't decide, Bear's shot was a several image composite/HDR and got the red ribbon. BTW who didn't see that coming once the challenge was announced :P. I knew Bear would be atleast Top 5.
But if you look at the next challenge for Harsh environments, I think may be a better judge. In the end I hope voters just vote the photo for what it is, there best interpretation of the challenge topic. However I can see some heart wrenching photo with nearly zero editing taking the blue in the next challenge, and feeling alright with that. who knows, its only the first one with these rules.
 12/22/2006 07:26:34 AM · #299
Let me first say, I hope "Expert Editing" stays and is allowed from time-to-time, however, I am a photographer, not a graphic artist. With that said, since I am given a vote and I intend to use it, I will vote "Photographs" higher than "graphic art."
 12/22/2006 08:50:25 AM · #300
Originally posted by tooohip:
Let me first say, I hope "Expert Editing" stays and is allowed from time-to-time, however, I am a photographer, not a graphic artist. With that said, since I am given a vote and I intend to use it, I will vote "Photographs" higher than "graphic art."


That doesn't even make sense. Because YOU are not a graphic artist, you will not vote graphic work highly even if its good? I'm assuming you are also not a sculptor, but you can appreciate the work of Michelangelo, right? Just because YOU can't create it, does not mean you cannot appreciate something.

Message edited by author 2006-12-22 08:59:44.
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