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05/29/2003 03:44:42 AM · #76 |
Originally posted by Journey:
Let me ask this: is there a way to access the Duotones in PS while bypassing the Grayscale step? In other words, convert the image to B&W with the Channel mixer and then go directly to the PS Duotones? Yeah, you can do a Solid Color Adjustment Layer or something like that but i really like those PS Duotones (and also the ones i made myself). You end up with a beautiful B&W after the channel mixer and then some of that gets lost in the Grayscale step (and if you have a lot of sky in the image, you introduce a lot of noise as well). |
Try using the gradient map in the layers box (or from the Menu/drop down menu). Choose 2 different colors. Foreground and Background colors (doing this first is easier if you know what you want and then you can fine tume it after). Then the gradient map box comes up. You can fine tune the type of gradient, the colors, etc. from there. (by clicking on the gradient or a color tab)
tracy
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05/29/2003 09:26:19 AM · #77 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
It lets you pick TWO colors. I picked black and blue. Adobe makes hundreds of millions of dollars a year on Photoshop and understanding photography. You wish to contradict them because...you FEEL like it? If my blue/black had green in it, mark it down. If it has red in it, mark it down. But black/white/grey is three the same as black/white/blue is three. So if BLACK AND WHITE PHOTOS are not duotones, WHAT THE HELL IS?! |
And then,
Originally posted by mavrik:
By the way, Eloise - you disagree with my Photoshop comment despite:
"IMHO, black counts as a color for this, though, so to me 'duotone' means white, black, and an optional third color. Not an additional optional fourth, fifth, sixth ..."
YO that's WHAT I WAS SAYING!!!! |
Yes. And I wasn't mad at YOUR shot, I was objecting to the one that had clear blacks, bright blue, AND bright green in it. :->
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05/29/2003 10:46:46 AM · #78 |
[quote=mavrik]so...assuming the challenge description is accurate, there's
1) black and white
2) sepia (which is done //www.dpchallenge.com/tutorial.php?TUTORIAL_ID=14 like this, with colorize in hue adjustments)
This tutorial is perfect in every way, RIGHT?
Zoom in and count the colors in this.
Black, Tan, Orange, Yellow, Green, White and Purple.
Make no mistake about it, the tutorial has more than 2 colors.
But it is NOT a duotone, it is SEPIA, and sepia is also what the challenge calls for. I have 13 comments saying my picture has too many colors to be a duotone. My SEPIA shot has fewer colors in it than the tutorial. Check it out.
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05/29/2003 10:50:23 AM · #79 |
i don't understand why this issue is so complicated... a black and white is acceptable if there are nothing but white and shades of grey in the photo...
to me, a duotone is any image that is white and shades of any other single color...
I'm sure i'm gonna be told that this is wrong... however, it's how I'm basing my votes :) |
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05/29/2003 10:53:47 AM · #80 |
Why don't we all assume that people used Photoshop's Duotone Mode (or equivalent) and made what they considered to be a duotone, and vote on whether we like the image or not.
And if you have Windows, get IrfanView (free) -- it has a feature which will give you an exact count of how many uniquely-colored pixels there are... |
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05/29/2003 10:55:27 AM · #81 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Why don't we all assume that people used Photoshop's Duotone Mode (or equivalent) and made what they considered to be a duotone, and vote on whether we like the image or not.
And if you have Windows, get IrfanView (free) -- it has a feature which will give you an exact count of how many uniquely-colored pixels there are... |
How many uniquely colored pixels is also irrelevant... each shade of a single color would count as a different pixel in that counter... |
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05/29/2003 10:55:29 AM · #82 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
i don't understand why this issue is so complicated... a black and white is acceptable if there are nothing but white and shades of grey in the photo...
to me, a duotone is any image that is white and shades of any other single color...
I'm sure i'm gonna be told that this is wrong... however, it's how I'm basing my votes :) |
Jmsetzler, in your opinion, does a sepia have several shades of brown? Im not talking about the old chemical sepia, I'm talking about the programs that create sepia at the click of a button. Are all these programs doing it wrong? |
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05/29/2003 11:50:23 AM · #83 |
I think one of the problems here is we are comparing apples and oranges, in a film based duotone one of the colors will always be white.( The paper.) This isn't true in a digital duotone where you can pick any color you like for the background. This can give some unuasual results compared to film based duotones.
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05/29/2003 11:58:26 AM · #84 |
Originally posted by scroosloose:
I think one of the problems here is we are comparing apples and oranges, in a film based duotone one of the colors will always be white.( The paper.) This isn't true in a digital duotone where you can pick any color you like for the background. This can give some unuasual results compared to film based duotones.
Mark |
I agree.
These unusual results are exactly what is in question here. With the many colors that are required to generate a digital duotone, Why is it I now have 14 comments that say my shot has more than two colors, and does not fit the challenge. I did use the appropriate method to create it? |
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05/29/2003 12:11:31 PM · #85 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
to me, a duotone is any image that is white and shades of any other single color... |
I have been looking for images that are black and shades of any other color...
And I really don't think either of us is wrong. It's a preference based thing. But wrong or not, my idea of a duotone (or a black and white) is that, most of the time, it should have some black in it... a pretty pure black at that. I understand that sometimes folks go for the lower contrast thing and don't use black... I have tried it myself. It just seems to me that MOST of the images in the B&W\Duotone\sepia range are more appealing if they do. |
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05/29/2003 12:31:20 PM · #86 |
Originally posted by Gringo:
[quote=mavrik]so...assuming the challenge description is accurate, there's
1) black and white
2) sepia (which is done //www.dpchallenge.com/tutorial.php?TUTORIAL_ID=14 like this, with colorize in hue adjustments)
This tutorial is perfect in every way, RIGHT?
Zoom in and count the colors in this.
Black, Tan, Orange, Yellow, Green, White and Purple.
Make no mistake about it, the tutorial has more than 2 colors.
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The final image, which is the sepia-toned one, has shades of brown (down to a near-black) and nothing else. I don't know what you're looking at, but there's no purple or green (and nothing that looks orange to me personally, to boot), just variations on brown (including yellowish bits, which is logical), unless you count the purple of the TITLE BAR. The first image shown is of course another matter, but that's the pre-processed image, so you can't really count it.
I don't know (or want to yet, though I'll look after the vote period is over) which image is yours but I do know I have seen one picture so far -- and only one -- that I don't think hits the duotone definition. Everything else I've seen is fine. Of course, I'm only halfway through... |
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05/29/2003 01:23:03 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by Gringo:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
i don't understand why this issue is so complicated... a black and white is acceptable if there are nothing but white and shades of grey in the photo...
to me, a duotone is any image that is white and shades of any other single color...
I'm sure i'm gonna be told that this is wrong... however, it's how I'm basing my votes :) |
Jmsetzler, in your opinion, does a sepia have several shades of brown? Im not talking about the old chemical sepia, I'm talking about the programs that create sepia at the click of a button. Are all these programs doing it wrong? |
i think a sepia toned image (via software) has a yellowish-brown tint to the image. What's so difficult about that? |
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05/29/2003 01:45:48 PM · #88 |
What kind of word is SEPIA?.
Message edited by author 2003-05-29 20:57:01.
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05/29/2003 06:49:31 PM · #89 |
Obviously, everyone has a different idea of what a duotone is. Not changing anyones votes or minds about it.
I have screwed around with the gradient map and colorize in PSE II for over an hour on a few different types of pics and still have only the different shades of 2 colors. I guess my Elements II doesn't have this Duotone setting in it, so not sure what that does.
tracy
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05/29/2003 07:57:23 PM · #90 |
| I use photoshop elements v2 also and it does NOT have a duotone/quadtone function like the full PS does. |
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05/29/2003 08:07:36 PM · #91 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Originally posted by Gringo:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
i don't understand why this issue is so complicated... a black and white is acceptable if there are nothing but white and shades of grey in the photo...
to me, a duotone is any image that is white and shades of any other single color...
I'm sure i'm gonna be told that this is wrong... however, it's how I'm basing my votes :) |
Jmsetzler, in your opinion, does a sepia have several shades of brown? Im not talking about the old chemical sepia, I'm talking about the programs that create sepia at the click of a button. Are all these programs doing it wrong? |
i think a sepia toned image (via software) has a yellowish-brown tint to the image. What's so difficult about that? |
John my sepia tone in my camera shows a brownish color without the yellow. why is that??
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05/29/2003 08:14:04 PM · #92 |
| I don't know.. I don't use the sepia function in my cam at all... |
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05/29/2003 10:16:17 PM · #93 |
| If I was confused when this discussion first started, I'm more confused now than I ever was! |
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06/01/2003 11:04:38 PM · #94 |
| Away from the technical side again, I would also like to say to the 100 photographers whose images I did have time to view, vote on, and comment on: overall, a very very nice job. The rest of you whose images I don't have time to finish up on, I'm sorry to miss your work -- I'll probably take a look through everything after the vote is done. |
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