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05/26/2003 11:58:34 AM · #1 |
The description of the new challenge, Create a photograph that generates a feeling of 'sound' in the viewer, leaves me somewhat confused. What is meant by (in the viewer)? Should it be "by" the viewer? Can someone clarify this for me/us?
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05/26/2003 12:03:44 PM · #2 |
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Lumbardh does some good sound photography stuff - crash!
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05/26/2003 12:05:03 PM · #3 |
I think it means that when a voter looks at the image you've captured they can almost hear them selves whats going on in the picture. Maybe?
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05/26/2003 12:09:34 PM · #4 |
I take the challenge description as make the viewer - or person voting think of "sound" or feel "sound" when they are looking at your photo .. i would imagine something with a vibration or music or then again ... something "sound" could also mean sturdy right?
here from webster.com
Main Entry: 1sound
Pronunciation: 'saund
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English gesund; akin to Old High German gisunt healthy
Date: 13th century
1 a : free from injury or disease : exhibiting normal health b : free from flaw, defect, or decay
2 : SOLID, FIRM; also : STABLE
3 a : free from error, fallacy, or misapprehension b : exhibiting or based on thorough knowledge and experience c : legally valid d : logically valid and having true premises e : agreeing with accepted views : ORTHODOX
4 a : THOROUGH b : deep and undisturbed c : HARD, SEVERE
5 : showing good judgment or sense
synonym see HEALTHY, VALID
- sound·ly /'saun(d)-lE/ adverb
- sound·ness /'saun(d)-n&s/ noun
Main Entry: 3sound
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English soun, from Old French son, from Latin sonus, from sonare to sound; akin to Old English swinn melody, Sanskrit svanati it sounds
Date: 13th century
1 a : a particular auditory impression : TONE b : the sensation perceived by the sense of hearing c : mechanical radiant energy that is transmitted by longitudinal pressure waves in a material medium (as air) and is the objective cause of hearing
2 a : a speech sound b : value in terms of speech sounds <-cher of teacher and -ture of creature have the same sound>
3 archaic : RUMOR, FAME
4 a : meaningless noise b obsolete : MEANING c : the impression conveyed : IMPORT
5 : hearing distance : EARSHOT
6 : recorded auditory material
7 : a particular musical style characteristic of an individual, a group, or an area
maybe that helps a little? :)
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05/26/2003 12:23:54 PM · #5 |
| Thanks for all the input. |
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05/26/2003 03:45:06 PM · #6 |
| is lack of sound /peace / tranquility/ quiet a sound ? :) |
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05/26/2003 03:50:37 PM · #7 |
| Paul Simon would certainly say yes... |
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05/26/2003 03:51:12 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
is lack of sound /peace / tranquility/ quiet a sound ? :) |
YES ! :)
The sound of one hand clapping ... |
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05/26/2003 05:07:52 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
is lack of sound /peace / tranquility/ quiet a sound ? :) |
No...How can the "lack of" something "be" A particular anything ?
Message edited by author 2003-05-26 17:09:49. |
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05/26/2003 05:10:32 PM · #10 |
A pause in music.
The silence between the notes is still music. |
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05/26/2003 05:16:29 PM · #11 |
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05/26/2003 05:21:13 PM · #12 |
I like the theme of silence... I think that the absence of sound could be interesiting... making someone feel 'silence' could be as impactive as feeling sound.
I have been thinking some today about ways to approach this challenge, but 'silence' hadn't crossed my mind until now. I think that I will pursue a few along this line as well.
I have been trying to decide what kind of sound I want to put forth with a photograph as well... Should I go for something that implies very loud? Something that implies an annoying sound? Something that implies a soothing and pleasant sound?
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05/26/2003 05:29:21 PM · #13 |
the silence thing makes me think of the age old question
"if a tree falls in the forest and nobody is around to hear it , does it make a sound?"
for me the answer is always yes, |
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05/26/2003 06:05:15 PM · #14 |
Be very careful to make sure the silence you photograph has not been copyrighted...
//news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/2276621.stm
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05/26/2003 06:33:23 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by aurora:
the silence thing makes me think of the age old question
"if a tree falls in the forest and nobody is around to hear it , does it make a sound?"
for me the answer is always yes, |
Thanks for ruining my entry.....lol But seriously, I bet there'll be more than one "if a tree falls" entries. Myself, I'm trying very hard to steer clear of cliches and adages for challenges these days.
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05/26/2003 10:23:49 PM · #16 |
I performed John Cage's piece when I was a music major in college. Probably the only piece I memorized that I still know!! It truly has a profound effect on people in the audience. Makes them nervous.
This guy probably wouldn't have gotten in trouble if he hadn't used Cage's name, you think? |
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05/27/2003 05:34:50 AM · #17 |
When I first saw this challenge I thought 'oh good.' Now I realise that, as a sound engineer, I really have to do quite well in it.
Ed
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05/27/2003 05:44:30 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by aurora:
the silence thing makes me think of the age old question
"if a tree falls in the forest and nobody is around to hear it , does it make a sound?"
for me the answer is always yes, |
For me it is no. The tree might make waves, but if noone hears it, these waves are not converted to 'sound' by our ear drums or brains. Thats just the way I see it.
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05/27/2003 07:29:53 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by Konador:
Originally posted by aurora:
the silence thing makes me think of the age old question
"if a tree falls in the forest and nobody is around to hear it , does it make a sound?"
for me the answer is always yes, |
For me it is no. The tree might make waves, but if noone hears it, these waves are not converted to 'sound' by our ear drums or brains. Thats just the way I see it. |
Amen Konador.
A more scientific way to pose the above mentioned question would be: If a tree, which possess potential energy because of the uneven distribution of weight along its length, combined with its position in reference to the forest floor, is brought into motion, thus converting potential energy into kinetic energy, and exerts a force on the forest floor, equal to its mass multiplied by gravitational acceleration, a portion of the kinetic energy will be transformed into vibrations (or intermolecular kinetic energy), which will be conducted through suitable conduits such as air. If there are no suitable receptacles available to interpret the above mentioned vibration energy as sound, will the vibration energy eventually be lost, disproving the law of conservation of energy?
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05/27/2003 11:55:11 AM · #20 |
You guys have waaaay too much time on your hands. LOL!!!
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05/28/2003 12:46:48 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by Martus:
If there are no suitable receptacles available to interpret the above mentioned vibration energy as sound, will the vibration energy eventually be lost, disproving the law of conservation of energy?
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But there ARE suitable receptacles available to transmit the sound waves, therefore the tree does make a sound even if nobody is there to hear it. :) Just because YOU don't hear the sound doesn't mean it does not exist. |
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05/28/2003 01:28:58 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by ChrisW123:
Originally posted by Martus:
If there are no suitable receptacles available to interpret the above mentioned vibration energy as sound, will the vibration energy eventually be lost, disproving the law of conservation of energy?
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But there ARE suitable receptacles available to transmit the sound waves, therefore the tree does make a sound even if nobody is there to hear it. :) Just because YOU don't hear the sound doesn't mean it does not exist. |
Sound is not a form of energy. The best way of describing this is to say:
Sound is to vibration, like pain is to heat.
Both sound and pain are human translations of energy forms. I guess you could say it's cause and effect - an energy form comes into contact with the human body and effects it in a particular way. When heat energy is emitted from a hot body (not the female kind) it doesn't automatically coincide with pain, the same with vibrations.
Thinking about it like this, you could also restate the tree question as:
If one of the plates on a stove is hot, and there's nobody to touch it, does it still hurt? Will it hurt if you touch it? Of course! Is there pain if there are no self conscious beings to interpret the heat as pain? Of course not!
Message edited by author 2003-05-28 05:19:59.
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05/28/2003 05:05:20 AM · #23 |
I've never understood why people try to answer the tree question, since it's a philosophical simile. The point is that you can talk as much as you want, but if no one listens you won't accomplish anything.
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05/28/2003 05:17:41 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by Incarlight:
I've never understood why people try to answer the tree question, since it's a philosophical simile. The point is that you can talk as much as you want, but if no one listens you won't accomplish anything. |
I guess people try and answer the tree question for the same reason as people risking life and limb to climb Everest - ITS THERE.
It's the same as the chicken and the egg story. Who cares which came first? Both are tasty, and as long as I'm at the top of the food chain, neither egg nor chicken is safe!
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05/28/2003 10:39:47 AM · #25 |
If I close my eyes and can't see you guys...are you still here?
:)
Originally posted by Martus:
Originally posted by ChrisW123:
Originally posted by Martus:
If there are no suitable receptacles available to interpret the above mentioned vibration energy as sound, will the vibration energy eventually be lost, disproving the law of conservation of energy?
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But there ARE suitable receptacles available to transmit the sound waves, therefore the tree does make a sound even if nobody is there to hear it. :) Just because YOU don't hear the sound doesn't mean it does not exist. |
Sound is not a form of energy. The best way of describing this is to say:
Sound is to vibration, like pain is to heat.
Both sound and pain are human translations of energy forms. I guess you could say it's cause and effect - an energy form comes into contact with the human body and effects it in a particular way. When heat energy is emitted from a hot body (not the female kind) it doesn't automatically coincide with pain, the same with vibrations.
Thinking about it like this, you could also restate the tree question as:
If one of the plates on a stove is hot, and there's nobody to touch it, does it still hurt? Will it hurt if you touch it? Of course! Is there pain if there are no self conscious beings to interpret the heat as pain? Of course not! |
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