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05/19/2003 08:19:39 AM · #1 |
For those of you who, like me, aren't wizards in Photoshop there's a few channel mixer presets for converting to B&W on this site.
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05/19/2003 08:30:49 AM · #2 |
does this challenge mean to take the picture using only two tones, or do some post processing to convert the picture to two tones?
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05/19/2003 08:31:55 AM · #3 |
Good thinking bod - there's a few alternative methods of generating b/w shots in PSP too - try splitting an image to RGB and that'll give you three alternative b/w versions.
Ed
Steinr - by whatever means you wish, so long as it's within the rules
Message edited by author 2003-05-19 08:32:36.
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05/19/2003 08:50:01 AM · #4 |
Sepia toning Made Simple
Also works for other color tones just as simply...
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05/19/2003 09:04:14 AM · #5 |
| I just wanted to find somewhere to vent. I thought the string of color challenges was boring and stupid. I thought 'What is the Matrix' was stupid and unshootable. But this is just completely pointless. A challenge should constrain your choice of subject at least a *little*! Argh. Now to try to find something that would look good in black and white, and to prepare to boggle at the unjudgeable, completely divergent entries. :-/ |
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05/19/2003 09:13:41 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by eloise:
I just wanted to find somewhere to vent. I thought the string of color challenges was boring and stupid. I thought 'What is the Matrix' was stupid and unshootable. But this is just completely pointless. A challenge should constrain your choice of subject at least a *little*! Argh. Now to try to find something that would look good in black and white, and to prepare to boggle at the unjudgeable, completely divergent entries. :-/ |
It does constrain your choices. It says find something with strong textures, or patterns, or an excellent use of light. |
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05/19/2003 09:42:16 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
It does constrain your choices. It says find something with strong textures, or patterns, or an excellent use of light. |
Where does it say that?
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05/19/2003 09:47:37 AM · #8 |
... otherwise you'll take a photo that might as well be colour. That's one of the elements that I'm goig to be looking for, anyway.
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05/19/2003 09:50:24 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by sagestudio:
Originally posted by Gordon:
It does constrain your choices. It says find something with strong textures, or patterns, or an excellent use of light. |
Where does it say that? |
It doesnt SAY that but if you want a strong B&W image these are the things that you should normally look for.
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05/19/2003 09:57:03 AM · #10 |
All the color challenges and the duotone challenge are designed to help you improve your techniques with these elements. B/W photography can be very powerful if the proper subject and lighting are used.
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05/19/2003 10:00:13 AM · #11 |
| why couldnt you do this last sun when i was at a steam railway lol oh well |
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05/19/2003 10:16:08 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by STEINR:
does this challenge mean to take the picture using only two tones, or do some post processing to convert the picture to two tones? |
It seems to me if your camera could be set to B&W, Sepia & etc. that we could just do that and not have to convert later & save some time too.
My camera can be set and it is not one of the high class camera.If this is not ok let me know . |
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05/19/2003 10:32:51 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by crabappl3:
All the color challenges and the duotone challenge are designed to help you improve your techniques with these elements. B/W photography can be very powerful if the proper subject and lighting are used. |
the challenge says: Photograph your subject using only two color tones (black/white, sepia, etc). Good luck.
to me photograph seems to be the key word,
but what i am reading, it seems that the interpretation is to take a picture then covert it to b/w or any other two tone image. to me this is different. to me this challenge is like the difference between taking pics with b/w film as opposed to color film.
Am I wrong or reading the challenge incorectly?
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05/19/2003 10:38:38 AM · #14 |
The wording does seem to indicate taking the shot in B&W, but as you can do the conversion within dpc rules who's going to be able to tell?
My A40 can shoot in B&W and sepia modes, but my 602 can do B&W only in one of the auto modes so I'll be doing the conversion later.
Either way would be fine IMO.
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05/19/2003 10:42:25 AM · #15 |
do whatever you want and let the cards fall where they may.
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05/19/2003 10:44:03 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by STEINR:
Originally posted by crabappl3:
All the color challenges and the duotone challenge are designed to help you improve your techniques with these elements. B/W photography can be very powerful if the proper subject and lighting are used. |
the challenge says: Photograph your subject using only two color tones (black/white, sepia, etc). Good luck.
to me photograph seems to be the key word,
but what i am reading, it seems that the interpretation is to take a picture then covert it to b/w or any other two tone image. to me this is different. to me this challenge is like the difference between taking pics with b/w film as opposed to color film.
Am I wrong or reading the challenge incorectly? |
Well, I don't have a choice - my camera doesn't do B&W and sepia modes. I think really you are probably reading too much into what was said. The final result should be a duotone of some sort. A lot of cameras don't have reduced colour modes, both highend and lowend. |
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05/19/2003 11:00:52 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by eloise:
A challenge should constrain your choice of subject at least a *little*! |
An entire group of users on this site complains about every challenge we run now, so why should we even bother? Every challenge. It's getting old.
For those who have legitimate questions about the challenge, I believe Gordon's interpretation is the correct one -- don't look so far into the wording. You should be submitting a black and white photograph. Now, for those of you who don't think that b&w is a legitimate form of photography requiring some skill, feel free to submit just any picture converted to black and white and watch your score tumble.
Drew
Message edited by author 2003-05-19 11:01:11. |
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05/19/2003 11:15:09 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by eloise:
I just wanted to find somewhere to vent. I thought the string of color challenges was boring and stupid. I thought 'What is the Matrix' was stupid and unshootable. But this is just completely pointless. A challenge should constrain your choice of subject at least a *little*! Argh. Now to try to find something that would look good in black and white, and to prepare to boggle at the unjudgeable, completely divergent entries. :-/ |
rather than complaining, how about suggesting some challenges that you'd like to see ? Quite often the popular suggestions get used for future challenges. There is even an entire forum for doing this. |
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05/19/2003 11:20:32 AM · #19 |
"For those who have legitimate questions about the challenge, I believe Gordon's interpretation is the correct one -- don't look so far into the wording. You should be submitting a black and white photograph. Now, for those of you who don't think that b&w is a legitimate form of photography requiring some skill, feel free to submit just any picture converted to black and white and watch your score tumble."
I know. And I'm new here, so what do I know? I just found the first few challenges after I signed up to each be a fresh inspiration - I look at the challenge, and smile, and go out energized to shoot things. 'Black and White' (ok, Duotone), however, leaves me baffled.
I suppose it's just the bitterness talking that I suppose a slick studio shot will win anyway. But I'm not submitting to win (I've never yet come close, nor yet deserved to), I'm submitting for the fun of following a challenge ... and this challenge is both so wide as to include anything anyone wants to include (making judging hard, for me), and so completely not a 'challenge' as to give me no idea what to shoot for it.
I would suggest challenges, as people are telling me to, except that almost everything I can think of has *been* suggested before, and many have even been done. I suppose it's petty of me to wonder if we could get a 'no studio shots, please' restriction on one soon, though, just to make the folks who shoot everything slick and controlled in the studio go outside their usual constraints? I did like the previously-suggested 'night outdoor shot' concept, though I admit it's at least partly because I shoot a lot of stuff that would fit. :-> |
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05/19/2003 11:31:01 AM · #20 |
For over 100 years the only way photographers had to create images was black and white. (With a few other duotone options as well, but I digress.)
If you think black and white is "boring" go look at some of the works of Ansiel Adams. The key in black and white imagery is looking for the light, texture and other subtile components of the image. This is old school photography. If you take photography lessons, this is the format you will learn to shoot in first.
Some of the worlds most powerful images have come to us in black and white. So don't think about the color component at all. Think about the object you are photographing. What's the story you want to tell us? |
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05/19/2003 11:39:18 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by eloise:
I suppose it's just the bitterness talking that I suppose a slick studio shot will win anyway. But I'm not submitting to win (I've never yet come close, nor yet deserved to), I'm submitting for the fun of following a challenge ... and this challenge is both so wide as to include anything anyone wants to include (making judging hard, for me), and so completely not a 'challenge' as to give me no idea what to shoot for it.
I would suggest challenges, as people are telling me to, except that almost everything I can think of has *been* suggested before, and many have even been done. I suppose it's petty of me to wonder if we could get a 'no studio shots, please' restriction on one soon, though, just to make the folks who shoot everything slick and controlled in the studio go outside their usual constraints? I did like the previously-suggested 'night outdoor shot' concept, though I admit it's at least partly because I shoot a lot of stuff that would fit. :-> |
You know, this 'studio/setup shots win all the time' rant comes up every now and then, but it never seems to be based in reality. I just went back and looked at the top 3 for the last 20 challenges. 31 of those were non-studio shots. So 29 were studio shots - seems pretty even distribution, now doesn't it ?
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05/19/2003 11:41:01 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by drewmedia:
Originally posted by eloise:
A challenge should constrain your choice of subject at least a *little*! |
An entire group of users on this site complains about every challenge we run now, so why should we even bother? Every challenge. It's getting old.
For those who have legitimate questions about the challenge, I believe Gordon's interpretation is the correct one -- don't look so far into the wording. You should be submitting a black and white photograph. Now, for those of you who don't think that b&w is a legitimate form of photography requiring some skill, feel free to submit just any picture converted to black and white and watch your score tumble.
Drew |
fine, then post processing it is,
with all due respect however, i would like to comment that sometimes the challenge rules are rather vague. in most repects this is good, since it gives us more freedom and flexibilty in choosing a subject,
perhaps, for this challenge, the word submit should have been substituted for take.
that of course is my humble opinion.
on the other hand, i would say that drew and team, do a great job in running this site, and with the great diversity of people who submit to this site, they should expect to see some complaints/comments/opinions.
as long as these comments are focused on the subject, and contain no personal attacks, there is nothing wrong with these diverse opinikons.
imho
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05/19/2003 11:43:25 AM · #23 |
I like black and white / duotoned shots... It completely changes things... The absence of color forces the viewer to evaluate light, shapes, contrasts, and textures...
Whoever said it previously in this thread is correct... There's more to this than just taking a photo and converting it to b/w...
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05/19/2003 12:03:34 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Whoever said it previously in this thread is correct... There's more to this than just taking a photo and converting it to b/w... |
How true it has to have a feeling to it or it is simply a black and white snapshot and nothing more. |
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05/19/2003 12:15:54 PM · #25 |
Im thrilled with this challenge. One of my best scores ever here was a black and white of my husband.
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