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 11/09/2006 12:53:59 PM · #126
Long Exposure II
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Avg Vote: 5.4672
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 11/09/2006 01:02:28 PM · #127
Originally posted by smurfguy:
Well, after teetering near 5.0 yesterday, I'm back up near 5.2 in reflections. I hope the trolls are done voting now! =) I'm guessing that many voters don't consider that a "reflective surface" can be any shape or size. "It must be a window or a lake!"


I can say from experience: "nope, not those either."
:>)
 11/09/2006 01:54:58 PM · #128
Neon:

Votes: 125
Views: 174
Avg Vote: 5.2160
Comments: 5

I have been as high as 5.50 and as low as 5.05 during the day - hopefully it's going up again now...
 11/09/2006 02:50:26 PM · #129
Hi everyone,

I'm just shot some photos for the black and white challenge. I shot in raw+basic, and I really have no experience with RAW. So here are some questions:

1) Can you change the image into black and white in RAW?
2) What adjustments should you make in RAW, and what adjustments should you leave for Photoshop?
3) I'm using Photoshop for the RAW conversion. Are there better (but not too expensive) programs to use?

There's probably a million threads dedicated to the subject, but I guess I'm just lazy and don't want to have to search around.
 11/09/2006 02:57:55 PM · #130
RAW-ONLY guy here ...
Photoshop's converter is decent.
You can play with the exposure, white balance and the curve in RAW converter, the first 2 exploit the power of RAW in that these are options you wouldn't have shooting JPGs.
The rest I would probably leave to Photoshop itself using layers -that way you can go back and change it if you don't like it.

And YES ...
you can completely desat in RAW converter - but I usually don't do that.
I haven't tried any other decent apps that convert.
I know Adobe Bridge is also helpful when organizing RAW images.
ALSO: this might help when converting to B+W:
a good link

Editted tfor typos and clarification.

Originally posted by Ware3927:
Hi everyone,

I'm just shot some photos for the black and white challenge. I shot in raw+basic, and I really have no experience with RAW. So here are some questions:

1) Can you change the image into black and white in RAW?
2) What adjustments should you make in RAW, and what adjustments should you leave for Photoshop?
3) I'm using Photoshop for the RAW conversion. Are there better (but not too expensive) programs to use?

There's probably a million threads dedicated to the subject, but I guess I'm just lazy and don't want to have to search around.


Message edited by author 2006-11-09 19:22:53.
 11/09/2006 05:58:08 PM · #131
Metatate - that's a good link you provided. I looked at it and tried it out. Until now, I've been using an adjustment layer and Channel Mixer, then monotone which works pretty well too.

But would it be just as effective to simply desaturate in RAW and not fool around with the Photoshop adjustments? ooops, after rereading your response to Lisa, I see you already answered that question

btw, I've just been playing with RAW for the last month or so, and have been shooting RAW + JPEG and processing some images both ways. When I have my best effort in jpeg, I try processing the same image in RAW and, dang, there is such a difference it's hard to believe it's the same image.

Message edited by author 2006-11-09 18:00:53.
 11/09/2006 07:26:20 PM · #132

Yeah, I remember the first time I learned what RAW could do with exposure ... I had some images where the sky was partly blown out and there were details i had lost. I decreased the exposure in RAW converter and the highlites showed up !!! -i never went back. The one drawback is with higher magapixel cameras the RAW files get pretty cumbersome (15MB or so for a 10mgpxl) -- So I'm good on the 6mp for now.

Originally posted by sfalice:
... there is such a difference it's hard to believe it's the same image.

11/09/2006 07:36:32 PM · #133
Yeah that is a pretty good link! I spent an hour or so going to other tutorials and messing around.

Thanks!

Lisa
 11/09/2006 07:39:13 PM · #134
How far can you underexpose in RAW before the image isn't salvagable? I shoot for my college paper and football is in a poor lit dome. You either have to choose between motion blur or grainy photos due to underexposure.

11/09/2006 10:02:02 PM · #135
I haven't had much luck with pulling stuff out of really dark photos but it really depends on the setting of the camera during the shot - I believe. If the exposure is set on auto, than it is possible that the camera could have adjusted in one direction or the other - not allowing too much modification on one end. You might want to do some tests in that environment but I think you'd be better off increasing the ISO to what you consider a tolerable level and then using a shutter speed where maybe the images are a tad dark but not completely underexposed.

Originally posted by Ware3927:
How far can you underexpose in RAW before the image isn't salvagable? I shoot for my college paper and football is in a poor lit dome. You either have to choose between motion blur or grainy photos due to underexposure.
11/09/2006 11:25:56 PM · #136
Originally posted by Ware3927:
How far can you underexpose in RAW before the image isn't salvagable? I shoot for my college paper and football is in a poor lit dome. You either have to choose between motion blur or grainy photos due to underexposure.


NeatImage (and other noise reduction sotware) does an amazing job removing such noise, even in dark images. You can try the software for free. You have to be careful, though. Setting the reduction too high will make it look unnatrually "plastic" and fake.
 11/10/2006 02:01:49 PM · #137
I did the same today (shot in RAW for the b+w challenge.

This might be a tip:
If you turn the contrast all the way down when converting it seems like you get the most detail - then you can make local adjustments in PS.

Originally posted by Ware3927:
Hi everyone,
I'm just shot some photos for the black and white challenge. I shot in raw+basic, and I really have no experience with RAW. So here are some questions:


Message edited by author 2006-11-10 14:02:06.
 11/10/2006 03:03:11 PM · #138
Originally posted by metatate:
I haven't had much luck with pulling stuff out of really dark photos but it really depends on the setting of the camera during the shot - I believe. If the exposure is set on auto, than it is possible that the camera could have adjusted in one direction or the other - not allowing too much modification on one end. You might want to do some tests in that environment but I think you'd be better off increasing the ISO to what you consider a tolerable level and then using a shutter speed where maybe the images are a tad dark but not completely underexposed.

Originally posted by Ware3927:
How far can you underexpose in RAW before the image isn't salvagable? I shoot for my college paper and football is in a poor lit dome. You either have to choose between motion blur or grainy photos due to underexposure.


Well, my problem is that you have to use ISO 1250 or 1600 in the dome, and even then the shutter speed is too low to completely freeze action. It is not a fun place to take football photos! And the even worse part is I have a 70-200mm lense, so I often have to crop to get into the action. I'm so jealous of those AP photographers witht their huge lenses.....
 11/10/2006 03:14:50 PM · #139
Originally posted by Ware3927:
Originally posted by metatate:

Originally posted by Ware3927:

Well, my problem is that you have to use ISO 1250 or 1600 in the dome, and even then the shutter speed is too low to completely freeze action. It is not a fun place to take football photos! And the even worse part is I have a 70-200mm lense, so I often have to crop to get into the action. I'm so jealous of those AP photographers witht their huge lenses.....


Lisa - forgive me for joking, but that dome sounds like a cave. (ISO 1600 doesn't work!) I have these visions of football players running around with miner's lights on their helmets to see where to go next.

11/10/2006 03:39:52 PM · #140
Sooo... how are those cards standing so far?
 11/10/2006 03:46:32 PM · #141
I was wondering that too.
Any luck on the cards Caleb?

PS; Hey everybody, I submitted my B+W entry and I'm feeling good about it.
I look and say "I cannot improve that further" ... that's how I know.

My highest score so far this week is 5.7X ... :{

EDIT: 5.86 now. woo ... hoo.

Message edited by author 2006-11-11 13:07:08.
 11/11/2006 12:02:48 AM · #142
I'm going to be shooting my head wear photos tommorow! Wish me luck!
 11/11/2006 06:36:00 PM · #143
My black+white + spots entries are in. I like 'em, hope the voters do as well.

Long Exposure is pushing real hard at the 6 mark, while Reflections is in the ... well we won't discuss where it is right now.

Lisa good luck on your headwear shoot.
 11/12/2006 12:41:56 AM · #144
My reflections shot is now stabilizing near 5.4 - which is a touch above my average, so I guess I can't complain. =)

Great B/W tutorial link above, thanks Tate! I would love to see more like this, focused on improving photos in general.

Message edited by author 2006-11-12 00:42:14.
 11/12/2006 08:45:22 AM · #145
I've submitted my B&W shot - hope to do better here than my neon which is standing at around 5.2 :(
 11/12/2006 02:16:49 PM · #146
I just uploaded my B&W submission. My Long Exposure is at 5.56 so I hope to do better in the next challenge. Any sign from Caleb & the cards?
 11/12/2006 07:58:01 PM · #147
My BW photo is in! hope it does better...MUCH better...than my long exposure shot which is at about 4.82. Ouch. Sorry guys.

I think my BW photo will do pretty good. I've never really shot for black and white before. I usually just shoot for color, and if it looks good in black and white, cool. So this was kind of a new experience for me.

But I messed around with it a lot in Photoshop...longer than I ever do with any photos...and wow! the difference is so amazing!
 11/12/2006 08:57:32 PM · #148
Hey guys.....sorry I wasn't around at all yesterday. I was out of town.

The cards are almost done. I'll try and have them up tomorrow at the latest...maybe tonight.

I have my B&W and HDR images in. I'll probably shoot for headwear tomorrow if I can get ahold of one of a model.

Hopefully they do better than this weeks challenges. Ugh.


11/13/2006 01:05:39 AM · #149
My BW image has 15 votes and is at 6.2...personal best so far!
 11/13/2006 07:23:10 AM · #150
Awesome! - you finished one spot ahead of me. It would be great to win WPL our first week!

Originally posted by sfalice:
Long Exposure is pushing real hard at the 6 mark
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