| Author | Thread |
|
|
09/25/2002 02:35:37 PM · #1 |
I have a couple of poorly thought out ideas about voting. Anybody care to help?
First, I just analyzed my voting for this week to find I had
11 votes for 10; 47 votes for 9; 103 votes for 8, 65 votes for 7, 13 votes for 6 and 5 votes for 5. What is bothering me about this is all the 8s. I feel that some were "good" 8s while others were "barely" 8s, and so on. Could we consider broadening the vote numbers? I don't think going all the way to 1 to 100 would be needed, but how about 1 to 20? or Maybe 1 to 50?
Second idea (much more scetchy/contraversial); two voting catagories, one for picture quality and one for challenge, with the option of skipping either. I know that I miss the point on quite a few shots, but there are times I feel the shot is GREAT, but I don't see ANY connection to the challenge. Other times, the shot might be a bit weak, but the challenge aspect keeps it in the running.
Typing seems to spawn ideas for me.....a third thought. Add a second comments field in the submit photos. One comment for technical aspects and picture set up explaination and one for photographer's thoughts. The second would be displayed on the voting page with the picture, but way down at the bottom, so it could be ignored, if the voter chooses. This would allow the more abstract artists in the group to add their thoughts as to how the shot applies to the challenge (esp. for those like me that don't always see the challenge aspect in some photos). I have seen this done in a couple of the more expensive, professional art competitions, and I like it. I'm a photo realist for the most part. Occationally (and unsuccessfully), I try my hand at more abstract stuff. Photo realism doesn't need any explaination, but abstract work does. I think the lack of photog comments at voting hurts these shots.
What do you think? (blast away!) |
|
|
|
09/25/2002 02:39:43 PM · #2 |
Swash, I don't think we need anything other than 1 through 10 IF one uses all the numbers. Your own analysis shows that you only use half the scale that is available today, so I don't see how extending the numbers will assist you.
The problem you are having, I think, is a psychological one of not using numbers lower than 5. It is understandable. But, if we extend the scale to 1 through 20, what makes you think you will be comfortable scoring lower than 10?
* This message has been edited by the author on 9/25/2002 2:38:17 PM.
|
|
|
|
09/25/2002 02:44:05 PM · #3 |
I like the the idea of going to 20 or even 100... maybe then I will score above a 5.... :) Seriously, though, I like the idea of splitting into to sets of judging...
|
|
|
|
09/25/2002 02:46:36 PM · #4 |
I don't see how making it 1-20 or 1-50 will help. It's a lot easier to vote a picture on a scale of 1 to 10 then 1 to 50 surely! I don't really get you point on that.
If your picture dosen't meet the challange then you flunk the contest, how simple is that? If the challange is fruit and veg and you submit a stunning picture of a dog then you don't deserve a high score.
Your suggestion on another comments field is a good idea, this could convey the photographers thoughts and maybe allow people who miss the link to the challange to see it and think "oh yeah". |
|
|
|
09/25/2002 02:46:57 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by Swashbuckler:
I have a couple of poorly thought out ideas about voting. Anybody care to help?
First, I just analyzed my voting for this week to find I had
11 votes for 10; 47 votes for 9; 103 votes for 8, 65 votes for 7, 13 votes for 6 and 5 votes for 5. What is bothering me about this is all the 8s. I feel that some were "good" 8s while others were "barely" 8s, and so on. Could we consider broadening the vote numbers? I don't think going all the way to 1 to 100 would be needed, but how about 1 to 20? or Maybe 1 to 50?
Second idea (much more scetchy/contraversial); two voting catagories, one for picture quality and one for challenge, with the option of skipping either. I know that I miss the point on quite a few shots, but there are times I feel the shot is GREAT, but I don't see ANY connection to the challenge. Other times, the shot might be a bit weak, but the challenge aspect keeps it in the running.
Typing seems to spawn ideas for me.....a third thought. Add a second comments field in the submit photos. One comment for technical aspects and picture set up explaination and one for photographer's thoughts. The second would be displayed on the voting page with the picture, but way down at the bottom, so it could be ignored, if the voter chooses. This would allow the more abstract artists in the group to add their thoughts as to how the shot applies to the challenge (esp. for those like me that don't always see the challenge aspect in some photos). I have seen this done in a couple of the more expensive, professional art competitions, and I like it. I'm a photo realist for the most part. Occationally (and unsuccessfully), I try my hand at more abstract stuff. Photo realism doesn't need any explaination, but abstract work does. I think the lack of photog comments at voting hurts these shots.
What do you think? (blast away!)
On your three points :
1/ it just means you are voting on a scale of 50% -> 100%
Changing the scale wont change the fact that you aren't voting anything
below 50% on whatever scale is being used. Maybe you need to
re-evaluate the scores you give out and stretch the distinction in
that 6-7-8 catagory to cover 4-5-6-7-8 or something
2/ I don't see the value of this - there are almost too many pictures
to vote on already, asking people to double the number of votes they
give isn't neccessarily going to improve the quality of votes
3/ I like this idea and already proposed something similiar for DPC2.
Watch this space.
|
|
|
|
09/25/2002 03:20:35 PM · #6 |
Gordon, I know it's just me....But if I see a scale labelled 1 to 10 where 1 is VERy Bad and 10 is Very GOOD. IMO, very, very few pictures submitted have been very poor, so I never give out a 1. Why submit a photo so bad? 2 and 3 to me are BAD photos, too. I see a few in this catagory, but thank whatever diety you like, that is pretty rare, too. Yep, I've given a several 4's, but mostly for stuff that I wouldn't have considered submitting (at least, not after I got the hang of the site!) My first photo was frankly a 2 or maybe (if you're half blind) a 3, my second was (IMO) a 4, but since then, I've learned to do better. I HATE seeing 1 votes on my shots, to me that is either my complete failure as a photo artist, or it's a troll. Either way, it's bad. I have promised myself to never be a troll. (I'll get better, honest!) That's Swash's put on voting low. If 1 equalled a "good" photo, but not EXCELLENT, maybe I could go a 1.
On your point two, I agree there's alot to vote on now. I'll give up on that one.
#3 GREAT! Glad to hear it. Will DPC2 be centered on abstract, or has that been determined? Well, why not photog comments here (DPC1?) too?
* This message has been edited by the author on 9/25/2002 3:19:58 PM. |
|
|
|
09/25/2002 03:34:39 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by Swashbuckler:
Gordon, I know it's just me....
It's not just you... Many of us believe that 1 should be reserved for a truely bad photo (which I have yet to see here, but I know they exist cause I've taken a few).
But that being said, everyone votes their own way... No one is "right", no one is "wrong", everyone is just different...
... of course some of us are a bit more different then others :)
|
|
|
|
09/25/2002 03:36:59 PM · #8 |
on a somewhat related note, but not quite ... is there a launch date for the grand new dpc or is that still up in the air? i see so many references to it these days that i can hardly wait to see it. it sounds like it will be even better than what we already have (hard to imagine), and i'm just glad that i'm getting my family and friends hooked one by one, otherwise i wouldn't interact with them any more at all! ;)
|
|
|
|
09/25/2002 03:38:04 PM · #9 |
I dont use 1 as very bad and 10 and very good.
I use 1 as worst out of all submissions and 10 as best out of all submissions.
|
|
|
|
09/25/2002 03:47:36 PM · #10 |
I am not ashamed to say that I have given out a few ones (although, now I try very very hard not to) Here is my logic...I start off with a lot of 5's and 6's and 7's, I then go back and push votes up or down according to the other photos in the group. Giving a photo a 1 or 2 does not mean that the photo is very bad, it just means that the photo is very bad compared to all the others. I also look carefully and try to understand what the photographer was thinking at the time he/she took the photo...if I think that there was not thinking behind it, and it was a 'lazy' photo, that will push the photo down.
I agree with jakking when he says that Swash might have a psychological problem when voting, but in my view the scale is there to be used, and if you have a ton of 8's or 7's and nothing under 5, then it's only fair that you take that group of photos and 'spread them out' using lower votes.
When someone gives me a one, I take it and swallow it. It means to me that the voter thought there were no photos worse than mine. They might still like the photo, but in their eyes all the others were better. |
|
|
|
09/25/2002 03:49:44 PM · #11 |
As the scoring guide says, I use 5 for an "average" picture among the group of submissions. Being average means that most shots each week are in the 5 to 6 range. That's natural. It also means that quite a few will fall below that benchmark and quite a few will fall above it. A scale of 1 through 10 is, therefore, more than sufficient when the total group is only 200 or so.
|
|
|
|
09/25/2002 05:17:11 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by Swashbuckler:
#3 GREAT! Glad to hear it. Will DPC2 be centered on abstract, or has that been determined? Well, why not photog comments here (DPC1?) too?
because of a server change the site is being entirely recoded. Except for critical fixes, any new features are being coded into DPC2 and this point. It's not worth the time to write them twice.
-Terry
|
|
Home -
Challenges -
Community -
League -
Photos -
Cameras -
Lenses -
Learn -
Help -
Terms of Use -
Privacy -
Top ^
DPChallenge, and website content and design, Copyright © 2001-2025 Challenging Technologies, LLC.
All digital photo copyrights belong to the photographers and may not be used without permission.
Current Server Time: 08/27/2025 07:02:57 PM EDT.
