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 04/17/2003 10:43:50 AM · #1
Just another point thhat there really are no 'rules'.

this shot is taken with sunlight setting

this shot is taken with daylight flourecent setting

Quite an interesting comparison.

It was worth getting up at 4:30 a.m. this morning ;-)

Ed
 04/17/2003 10:48:05 AM · #2
now that's dedication
 04/17/2003 10:50:58 AM · #3
Applying the "wrong" WB setting should give a similar effect to using a color filter...as your examples show. Thanks.
 04/17/2003 10:52:30 AM · #4
Nice photos. An interesting trick I would probably never have thought to try, but then I am here to learn.
 04/17/2003 11:02:18 AM · #5
This one was done with the white balance set to flourescent.



04/17/2003 11:15:50 AM · #6
GeneralE - in this case a kind of negative green filter - thus the reds and blues are enhanced.

Top shot Joanns - a little more extreme than my examples.

Of course it could be done in PSP or whatever - but it somehow feels better coming out of the camera. Worth bearing in mind for the sunset occasions though.

Ed
 04/17/2003 11:40:01 AM · #7
That is very interesting e301. I like the daylight flourescent version better.
 04/17/2003 11:56:12 AM · #8
Certainly going to try this. I also prefer the daylight flourecent setting.
I didn`t realize white balance made that much difference. I just leave my camera set on sunny/cloudy just to get consistaint results. When i first got my camera i used auto white balance and every photo seemed to have a different colour cast. Must experiment more.

04/17/2003 11:57:53 AM · #9
It's just occurred to me that this might also help cure the Fuji Green Sky Disease too - but I think it may be too extreme for that.

Ed
 04/17/2003 12:14:11 PM · #10
I have a sheet I carry with 64 colour pair squares that I use to set custom white balance. Instant filters!
 04/17/2003 12:24:27 PM · #11
Not heard of the Fuji Green Sky Disease.
Is it more noticable in grey or blue skys.
 04/17/2003 12:27:46 PM · #12
It's my name for the effect that only seems to come from Fuji cameras when a slightly over-exposed pale blue sky becomes quite green-tinged. There's a classic in the weather challenge.

Ed
 04/17/2003 12:35:47 PM · #13
Just tried this when I got back from work. At first I thought there seemed to be no difference, but I soon found there to be several fluoro levels to choose from, getting up to that nice blue tint... so Ed, not only have you put me on to an interesting new trick to practice with but also helped me find other levels in my camera I never realised were there!

Cheers pal.
 04/17/2003 01:01:34 PM · #14
Originally posted by Gordon:
I have a sheet I carry with 64 colour pair squares that I use to set custom white balance. Instant filters!


Gordon,
Can you explain more about it?

Cheers

Galina
 04/17/2003 01:06:36 PM · #15
White balance adjustment is one the things I love most about shooting in the Canon RAW format. You have two points in the photo creating process where you can set the white point. You can set it for each shot "before" you shoot. Or, if you prefer, "after" you shoot--because RAW files require an additional conversion (development) on the PC before they are viewable. So many interesting options.

Here is my favorite example. This photo was taken under a blacklight with the white balance set to "custom." (I used a white card lit by the "blacklight," and told my camera that was white.)

When I "developed" it on the PC I used the "custom" white balance setting the photo was shot under. I expected the shot to look like it was taken under a "blacklight." But, as you can see, that's not what happened. Instead I got this //www.dpchallenge.com/image.php/i/18507.

Hmm, not what I was expecting. So I played with the white balance settings again as I "developed" it on the PC. I tried the the "tungsten" setting this time, and got this photo //www.dpchallenge.com/image.php/i/16468.

More in line with what I was looking for... But not how I expected to get it!

White Balance is such a creative tool :)
 04/17/2003 02:03:03 PM · #16
Originally posted by Galina:
Originally posted by Gordon:
I have a sheet I carry with 64 colour pair squares that I use to set custom white balance. Instant filters!


Gordon,
Can you explain more about it?

Cheers

Galina


It is a sheet I create in Photoshop, with complimentary colour pairs, ranging in hue around the colour wheel and ranging in saturation.

So for example there is a red square with a cyan square beside it. I then use this to set the custom white balance of my camera. It creates the filter effect of that complimentary colour and tones the entire image. Basically means you don't need any colour filters as you can mimic the effect in camera without having to carry lots of bits of glass about.

Still might need a polariser or a GND/ ND filter but the colour filters are dealt with. You can get the same effect shifting the colours in photoshop, but it is an extra change to the colours which loses information.
 04/17/2003 02:10:50 PM · #17
Can you post the PS file? :)

Thanks!

M
 04/17/2003 02:12:17 PM · #18
Originally posted by Gordon:
I have a sheet I carry with 64 colour pair squares that I use to set custom white balance. Instant filters!

Maybe you should put a logo on the front and print instructions on the back and sell them...
 04/17/2003 02:19:16 PM · #19
SHUSH! LOL
 04/17/2003 02:25:27 PM · #20
Originally posted by mavrik:
SHUSH! LOL

I expect to bid on the print job...
 04/20/2003 02:03:29 PM · #21
Here is the card that I use to set custom white balances.
 04/20/2003 02:38:55 PM · #22
Shoot RAW, set it later.

It's relatively simple if you do have a "white" color somewhere you can use. But some software/camera requires GRAY balance, such as CaptureOne, now that's a real pain :)

04/20/2003 02:53:47 PM · #23
Originally posted by paganini:
Shoot RAW, set it later.

It's relatively simple if you do have a "white" color somewhere you can use. But some software/camera requires GRAY balance, such as CaptureOne, now that's a real pain :)


You can do that, but you then need a set of shots of each colour to allow you to set the filters later - remember this is about setting the _wrong_ white balance for particular effects, not about getting it right. I also like the ability to see the filter effect in camera, rather than trying to do it later. Capture One is nice though, but even there it is easier to get it right with a custom white card than try to find something the right colour in the tools.

I'm starting to get to the point of stopping using RAW though, the additional processing time, and increased understanding of how to actually get it right in camera, is meaning that I'm basically not needing to do much when I do RAW convertion, so all it represents is additional time and maybe some unrecognisable sharpness improvments.

If I'm doing big prints it makes more sense perhaps.

I'm also quite concerned about archiving in RAW format - I'd expect to be able to read TIFFs or JPEGS in a few years time (pick a number - 5 ?) I'm more doubtful about Canon RAW format. I could convert every RAW to a JPEG, or extract the embedded JPEGS, but then the point starts to get lost anyway. Decisions decisions. I'm moving more to the JPEG/ fine end of things as I go on.

Message edited by author 2003-04-20 14:56:57.
 04/20/2003 03:01:00 PM · #24
Gordon,

I am new to all of this (digital photography). I've been reading through this thread, and I don't understand how you use that Photoshop sheet with the sets of colors. Would you mind explaining it for a total layperson?

~Ursula
 04/20/2003 04:20:44 PM · #25
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by paganini:
Shoot RAW, set it later.

It's relatively simple if you do have a "white" color somewhere you can use. But some software/camera requires GRAY balance, such as CaptureOne, now that's a real pain :)



I'm starting to get to the point of stopping using RAW though, the additional processing time, and increased understanding of how to actually get it right in camera, is meaning that I'm basically not needing to do much when I do RAW convertion, so all it represents is additional time and maybe some unrecognisable sharpness improvments.



Besides the conversion time, I am noticing on alot of my sunset shots, that (even in unchanged mode) there is alot of artifact in clouds or light to dark areas (especially in the magenta color area). It is noticable enough to see an obvious line of demarcation. And this does not seem to show up as prominently on Fine JPG. Anyone else seen/have this problem, or is it me and my camera? (C:

tracy
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