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07/28/2006 02:59:01 AM · #126

Originally posted by Jimmie:

see... that is exactly what I am on about.... why canna ya just try and do the same thing in camera??????? Mucking about....do this, do that... and never try and get it right from the go... make it right from the camera...Photography ceases to exists when the image is manipulated to 40% this and white brush that..... it has now become graphic art....

I don't believe the available light would have allowed her to produce the image the way I just manipulated it. Ofcourse she could have brought a generator and a nice big softbox in and done it... :-)

If she would have increased exposure of the ghost, she would have blown the highlights in the BG. It just would not have worked for this shoot without expensive equipment.

07/28/2006 03:02:50 AM · #127

Originally posted by Brielle:

Originally posted by Jimmie:

God didn't invent the photo dock and software... man did. And man is evil... hippy...... (Ok... I jest... kekekekekkeke..... but by taking no stance you have no validity... your arguement is, nature v. man.... and I lan towards nature, 'cause man is fallible and nature has worked it out.)

God didn't make cameras either. :oP

exactly... so it is cast upon us to document what is true... not what is imagined.... leave the imagined to the painters and writers... it is incumbent upon on us to hold true to nature..... and mucking wiff it does nowt to tell our tale in the future...

ShutterPug

Canon EOS-6D

07/28/2006 03:03:29 AM · #128

I really don't get the argument here by everyone. Jimmie has his preferences just as we each have our own. Some people love B/W, some Sepia, some like muted colors, some saturated, and some like it the way it comes out of the camera. None are wrong in my mind - it's that wonderful thing called freedom of expression. This is what differentiates us all and give photography it's wide diversity.

DjFenzl

07/28/2006 03:05:53 AM · #129

well photographs will always lie and never be what we can see. If I look around a scene my eyes are constantly refocusing on everything I look at. My eyes have a certain DoF like my camera - but I could never freeze my focus and look around the room with a static DoF. Photos allow you to see or not see so much more than you ever could with your eye. Also with the expansion and compression of space created by the lens is something unnnatural in and of itself. If you take a picture you are not "capturing the true nature of the scene - whether you process it or not.

Why would you assume if anything is done in an attempt to improve a photo you destory the photo. Do you eat bread? Or do you eat wheat straight from the field and whole eggs - shell and all? If you process wheat into flower you are destroying the way God and nature intended it to be eaten. If you crack open an egg and only eat the contents then you are modifying the way the "whole" package to get just what you want.

Do you where cotton buds loosely draped across your body, or do you wear a T-shirt and pants made from processed cotton?

Are the people who designed and made your pants and shirt ignorant because they are just making them based upon passed lessons learned in the past "get back to nature"?

What you are talking about is the end of progress - and again I say, if you are true to this belief then you need to give up the camera and travel, living off the fat of the land.

07/28/2006 03:06:21 AM · #130

Originally posted by ShutterPug:

awwww...... I am just stirring the pot.... I really don't give that rat's hind-end what others think..... I just had a few hours free and thought I would rake up a mess....

07/28/2006 03:06:44 AM · #131

I just like nudes, but I tolerate the other stuff you people force upon me :-P

Brielle

07/28/2006 03:07:09 AM · #132

Originally posted by ShutterPug:

Agreed. What bothers me is being told how something is supposed to be. Its like being told how to speak, think, write, sing, and what one should believe in. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but everyone's opinions should be respected.

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.4D

07/28/2006 03:07:47 AM · #133

100% pure, unadulterated,
nonprocessed, unfooled
around with, straight from
the camera popcorn.

This thread has rake written all over it and sometimes I wonder why people even engage - other than for the entertainment value.

ps: My dog is also a purist and all his pics come out in black & white.

Message edited by author 2006-07-28 03:09:10.

taterbug

Nikon D300

07/28/2006 03:11:49 AM · #134

Originally posted by Jimmie:

Ah, but, there are different types of painters, and writers and such also. For example, in writing, there are those that write essays, reports, journalism, works of non-fiction. So, by your definition then, those that write novels, poetry, lyrics, any works of fiction, are therefore evil, un-talented and un-natural, etc. ???

07/28/2006 03:11:52 AM · #135

Do you where cotton buds
(should be "wear")
Aside from that, you are talking about things that are near fruition but not yet complete. Eggs, are just a step away from breakfast... etc. not complete. The object, in my mind, is to take the photo and set it loose from camera exactly as seen or thought out. What you are presenting are things what need a next step to complete... the photo should be whole from the get-go.... The goal should be to see the image and take if from mind to camera to photo with as few speed bumps as possible.

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.4D

07/28/2006 03:15:14 AM · #136

Originally posted by taterbug:

Originally posted by Jimmie:

exactly... so it is cast upon us to document what is true... not what is imagined.... leave the imagined to the painters and writers... it is incumbent upon on us to hold true to nature..... and mucking wiff it does nowt to tell our tale in the future...

Ah, but, there are different types of painters, and writers and such also. For example, in writing, there are those that write essays, reports, journalism, works of non-fiction. So, by your definition then, those that write novels, poetry, lyrics, any works of fiction, are therefore evil, un-talented and un-natural, etc. ???

Nope... they are visionaries..... photographers are documentarists( did I just invent a word???) Photography should be used to present the obvious but in a creative way.... Photography (writing with lght) is to be a factual representation of reality... the other areas are where we go for personal impressions.... photography is now, actual... with our own bent, twist on the subject... yet we need to be true to the image. We are set aside from artists, yet in the same general category... but held to different standards.

taterbug

Nikon D300

07/28/2006 03:15:17 AM · #137

llama llama cheesecake llama...

so there!

Brielle

07/28/2006 03:17:08 AM · #138

Originally posted by taterbug:

llama llama cheesecake llama...

so there!

LoL

Now you've got the song in my head!

DjFenzl

07/28/2006 03:18:25 AM · #139

Originally posted by Jimmie:

next step? Why do they need a next step? Who says what the next step is? You've decided that an egg requires a next step to be turned into breakfast - yet there are people (and all animals who eat them) that eat eggs raw. You don't like RAW eggs so have arbitrarily decided there is a next step for them. Most people don't like Raw photos - but if they want to take the photo to the next step suddenly they are wrong.

Sounds hypocritical and narcissistic to me.

And thanks for the help on the typo, I have trouble sometimes making my mind and fingers work.

07/28/2006 03:21:42 AM · #140

Originally posted by Jimmie:

I need names...

John
Paul
George
Ringo
Clarence

...just trying to stay on topic (as usual)

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8 VR DG IF-ED

07/28/2006 03:22:59 AM · #141

Originally posted by taterbug:

llama llama cheesecake llama...

so there!

Bringing out the big guns, huh? :-)

Pedro

Nikon D200

07/28/2006 03:25:55 AM · #142

i shoot RAW.

But I eat eggs cooked.

why must nature torment me so?

07/28/2006 03:27:39 AM · #143

Originally posted by Pedro:

i shoot RAW.

But I eat eggs cooked.

why must nature torment me so?

Change your ways, Pedro! Eat RAW and shoot on medium-high!

07/28/2006 03:30:30 AM · #144

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by Pedro:
i shoot RAW.

But I eat eggs cooked.

why must nature torment me so?

Change your ways, Pedro! Eat RAW and shoot on medium-high!

When I'm medium high I'll eat about anything ....

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8 VR DG IF-ED

07/28/2006 03:32:26 AM · #145

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

When I'm medium high I'll eat about anything ....

LOL - as long as you refrain from any post-processing.

Pedro

Nikon D200

07/28/2006 03:33:24 AM · #146

this is suddenly reminding me of Amsterdam last week...

DjFenzl

07/28/2006 03:33:53 AM · #147

Jimmie, I think this link may very well be the answer to all your questions.

07/28/2006 03:34:07 AM · #148

Originally posted by Pedro:

this is suddenly reminding me of Amsterdam last week...

I call them "flashbacks"