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03/31/2003 10:09:17 PM · #1

Since the French want to be more "French" several cities have been renamed under an order by Chiraq. This is to further separate themselves from the U.S.A..

New Map of France

Also For Sale: (1) French Battle Rifle, Never Fired, Only Dropped Twice...

04/01/2003 06:12:09 PM · #2

You will, presumably, be returning that nasty French statue currently cluttering up the New York skyline...?

04/01/2003 06:13:50 PM · #3

Originally posted by ganders:

You will, presumably, be returning that nasty French statue currently cluttering up the New York skyline...?

you can come and burn it like french protestors already have been

04/01/2003 06:17:08 PM · #4

NO, we will keep that... it has become a symbol of freedom and liberty and our nation... consider it payment for the american blood and sacrifice it took to defeat the nazis...

04/01/2003 06:19:06 PM · #5

Just makes me smile, all this rabid anti-french nonsense because they actually had the balls to turn around and disagree with Bush rather than rolling over and doing what they were told. The US seems to have a very short memory, which nation was it that gave you most help in your war of independence?

On a side-note, I remember a line from a comedy show about 20 years ago which seems to be quite apt for now :-)

The Americans, having turned up late for the last two world wars, want to make sure that they're really good and early for this one

04/01/2003 06:23:14 PM · #6

Originally posted by ganders:

they should have rolled over, now they will learn the lesson of humiliation

04/01/2003 06:24:02 PM · #7

Originally posted by ganders:

yep france did help with the war for independence... this is true... unfortunately it was not to help us, so much as it was to spite the British.... most historians even agree that we would have won the revolution without them... their help only expidicted the matter...even then though their help was appreciated... and we did not forget... so much so that we sent our young soldiers to die in return for the favor

04/02/2003 04:27:12 AM · #8

Originally posted by achiral:

they should have rolled over, now they will learn the lesson of humiliation

Yes, I'm sure they are massively humiliated by the US renaming their french fries. You show em!

I would have thought that the idea of standing up to a bully for what you thought was right would appeal to your sense of justice?

04/02/2003 04:36:32 AM · #9

Originally posted by Anachronite:

Well, there's truth in that, technically we're still at war with the French :-)

As for your second point, the US stayed well out of the fighting in WWII until they actually started getting hit - it wasn't so much saying thanks for previous help, more a mixture of self-defence and the need to hit back at someone (hmm, sound familiar yet?)

I'm not trying to in any way diminish the crucial role that the US played then, but it wasn't nearly as altruistic as you seem to suggest. War is rarely black and white, and nations in general only get involved when it's in their own selfish interests to do so - which is why, for example, the US refused to get involved in our own Falklands conflict.

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04/03/2003 12:56:06 AM · #10

Originally posted by ganders:

Originally posted by Anachronite:
yep france did help with the war for independence... this is true... unfortunately it was not to help us, so much as it was to spite the British.... most historians even agree that we would have won the revolution without them... their help only expidicted the matter...even then though their help was appreciated... and we did not forget... so much so that we sent our young soldiers to die in return for the favor

Well, there's truth in that, technically we're still at war with the French :-)

As for your second point, the US stayed well out of the fighting in WWII until they actually started getting hit - it wasn't so much saying thanks for previous help, more a mixture of self-defence and the need to hit back at someone (hmm, sound familiar yet?)

I'm not trying to in any way diminish the crucial role that the US played then, but it wasn't nearly as altruistic as you seem to suggest. War is rarely black and white, and nations in general only get involved when it's in their own selfish interests to do so - which is why, for example, the US refused to get involved in our own Falklands conflict.

we may not be perfect, but when we were needed we were there... now when we decide to act before it is too late, you cry about it... no matter what we do you will complain... too bad we didn't wait forever in WW II then the frenchies would be speaking German... BTW, your in the UK I see... I guess it doesn't bother you that the French citizens are now desecrating the graves of dead British and American soldiers??? that's pretty despicable... maybe we should cut all economic ties to France, boot them from the UN security council they don't belong on, and completely ostracize them... let the Germans have them ... the cheese eating surrender monkeys will be speaking German in no time

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04/03/2003 01:09:05 AM · #11

I would like to commend Anachronite and achiral for being such great Americans (no sarcasm intended), but I must admit to getting tired of such threads in the forums. I realize that this is not all your fault either since the other side is debating with you, but you know your right and that you'll never convince others to change their opinions so I say lets all get back into critiquing photos and save our good relations on here.

i hear you though.
good night.

Konador

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04/03/2003 02:08:01 AM · #12

Why can't you be 'great americans' (not that I agree!) without hurling pointless and childish insults at other people and nations?

04/03/2003 02:27:23 AM · #13

Originally posted by Konador:

Why can't you be 'great americans' (not that I agree!) without hurling pointless and childish insults at other people and nations?

because it's fun to pick on the french...
french-resistance? now there is a myth... Grandpa said we had to scuttle the french fleet to keep the nazis from taking it.... plus they are ungrateful, arrogant, and now that they have desecrated the graves of both your soldiers and our soldiers who fought for them, I would say they are just plain F-ing pieces of S@#$...
to think a third of the citizens polled said they hope saddam wins... that is pure LUNACY...

BTW, why can' the french act like allies and support the allies that saved their ass...

Message edited by author 2003-04-03 02:27:41.

04/03/2003 04:37:49 AM · #14

Originally posted by Anachronite:

we may not be perfect, but when we were needed we were there... now when we decide to act before it is too late, you cry about it... no matter what we do you will complain...

Not at all. I have no problem with nations acting in accord with the international community. If the UN had legitimised the current action then I would be a lot more convinced.

Frankly, it's the arrogant "we've decided this is best and how dare you be so ungrateful" nonsense that I complain about mostly. Despite your firm conviction, the world DOESN'T rotate around that lovely Mr. Bush.

Originally posted by Anachronite:

maybe we should cut all economic ties to France, boot them from the UN security council they don't belong on, and completely ostracize them...

While you're at it, you may as well kick out the UK (which is smaller and "belongs" even less - unless you consider that because we support you, we belong?), the Russians aren't exactly supportive and you can never trust the Chinese can you?

After all, the only country that really understands what's best for the world is the US so really it would be for the best if we put them in charge of the UN, shut up and do what that great wise nation tells us is best.

Heaven forbid we form our own opinions.

JasonPR - these ranting posts are not shining examples of what I think of when I think of great Americans. You are correct to say, however they "know" they're right and nothing I or anyone else says can change their mind. I don't even want to - I genuinely don't mind if they (and you) feel that what is happening is right. What I do object to is the childish swearing and insulting entire nations for daring to disagree with the US. Shouldn't a 'great American' be capable of showing some measure of maturity and tolerance?

{edit} You are also right to say that we're just wasting our collective breath arguing with no chance of the other side actually listening. I'll shut up now and go take some pictures!

Message edited by author 2003-04-03 04:48:55.

Konador

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04/03/2003 09:39:52 AM · #15

Originally posted by Anachronite:

Originally posted by Konador:
Why can't you be 'great americans' (not that I agree!) without hurling pointless and childish insults at other people and nations?

because it's fun to pick on the french...
french-resistance? now there is a myth... Grandpa said we had to scuttle the french fleet to keep the nazis from taking it.... plus they are ungrateful, arrogant, and now that they have desecrated the graves of both your soldiers and our soldiers who fought for them, I would say they are just plain F-ing pieces of S@#$...
to think a third of the citizens polled said they hope saddam wins... that is pure LUNACY...

BTW, why can' the french act like allies and support the allies that saved their ass...

Go somewhere else to do it then. This is an international site and there are definately french people who use it. It's not up to you to decide what they can or can not do. What gives you the power to dictate their decisions and then insult them when they don't do what you want?

04/03/2003 09:59:15 AM · #16

I agree with Konador. There is no need for what basically amounts to racism and group-bashing.

Even if you disagree with the policies of a nation's government, it's not fair or right to bash it's citizens, esp not on here.

Anachronite also said now when we decide to act before it is too late, you cry about it...

The problem with that statement is that no one but the hawks is convinced that there is a situation that requires this kind of action. Hence the massive WORLDWIDE (and US Wide) opposition to this conflict.

04/03/2003 10:06:26 AM · #17

30%=US WIDE?

04/03/2003 10:19:18 AM · #18

That's huge, dude. Assuming 300 million Americans (rounding up a little), that's 100 million of your neighbors who are AGAINST it.

I wonder how favor for the war correlates with level of education ..

04/03/2003 10:21:03 AM · #19

Originally posted by ganders:

see i don't understand why people want to silence those of us that you claim make silly childish insults, but in the same breath will make statements that only only show ignorance to the situation as a whole. i'm sorry, making snide remarks about the president of the country i live in is very insulting to me.

but on your point, i really don't understand why anyone would argue that they would only be more sure of the current situation about the decision to go to war if the UN had ok'ed it. first of all, the UN doesn't have a good record of keeping it's promises or enforcing any of its resolutions. second of all, it just sounds like you think people are incapable of making their own decisions about the war. in my mind it is obvious that saddam is a tyrant and should have been taken out a long time ago.

04/03/2003 10:22:24 AM · #20

i wonder how many snide remarks you made about Clinton ?

04/03/2003 10:24:45 AM · #21

I wonder how it is you can be so dismissive of the wisdom of the leaders of all the other nations of the world that oppose this war? What are your credentials, over theirs, pray tell?

And as for Saddam the tyrant needing to be taken out, there have been and are DOZENS of tyrants that we have not 'taken out'. SO why this one and why now? Other than our president's daddy told him it was a good idea.

Message edited by author 2003-04-03 10:25:37.

Konador

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

04/03/2003 10:25:11 AM · #22

Originally posted by achiral:

Oh, so you can dish out as much insult as you want but you can not accept any towards anyone to do with your country? Why is this?

Oh yes, you're American. No one can insult you.