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 06/12/2006 08:21:40 PM · #1
What if a blue ribbon winners council was created. Allow the previous blue ribbon winners to have a special vote.

I understand as everything I have come up with before that this has probably already been discussed at lenth, and you will probably want to delete this thread.
 06/12/2006 08:48:37 PM · #2
Originally posted by boomtap:
I understand as everything I have come up with before that this has probably already been discussed at lenth, and you will probably want to delete this thread.


At least you're learning. ;)
 06/12/2006 11:59:47 PM · #3
I suck. Maybe that should be my desolation picture. Me trying to post on the forum with a tear in my eye.
 06/13/2006 01:22:49 AM · #4
Originally posted by boomtap:
What if a blue ribbon winners council was created. Allow the previous blue ribbon winners to have a special vote.


OK, I'll bite:

What would we blue-ribboners DO with this "special vote"? And would the votes of multiple-blue members be "more special" than the votes of single-blues like me?

R.
 06/13/2006 01:29:05 AM · #5
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by boomtap:
What if a blue ribbon winners council was created. Allow the previous blue ribbon winners to have a special vote.


OK, I'll bite:

What would we blue-ribboners DO with this "special vote"? And would the votes of multiple-blue members be "more special" than the votes of single-blues like me?

R.


Nah....us single blues will just sit and cheer on the multiple blues...hehehehe!!
 06/13/2006 02:42:47 AM · #6
Sounds like something out of the novel Animal Farm: All animals are equal ... but some are more equal than others. And we know what happened in Animal Farm.

And no ... I'm not calling the blues ribboners animals.
 06/13/2006 05:10:42 AM · #7
I'm an animal!
 06/13/2006 11:38:09 AM · #8
Maybe the blue ribbon commitee could give out ribbons of shiny gold, so-so silver, and shameful bronze.
 06/13/2006 11:48:59 AM · #9
wiener's council?? the folks who control what leftovers can and cannot be put into hot dogs?

Oh.....nevermind...
 06/13/2006 11:53:36 AM · #10
Perhaps boomtap wants to make receiving a blue ribbon more rewarding ...
If this is the case, I like the idea of having people participate more as a result of a ribbon win.


Message edited by author 2006-06-13 11:53:54.
 06/13/2006 12:45:52 PM · #11
I think winning a blue ribbon is plenty rewarding already. I just thought it would be cool to have a second score that is comprised from what the previous winners think of photos. Then when all the votes are cast it would be cool to see the diffrence in scores between the winners council and the general vote (which would still be the one that counts).

The key would be having your image rated by the photographers whose skills are proven. It would be an honor to have them give your photo a decent score.
 06/13/2006 02:06:25 PM · #12
Kinda sounds like signature votes on dailyawards.com. The more you win the more 'weight' your score is worth since it is assumed you know more and are better at judging what is good or not.
 06/13/2006 02:41:17 PM · #13
Originally posted by Bear_Music:


OK, I'll bite:

What would we blue-ribboners DO with this "special vote"? And would the votes of multiple-blue members be "more special" than the votes of single-blues like me?

R.


I posed something similar a very long time ago. The 'ribbon winners' vote woudln't mean much to me, but I would LOVE to see an average score from the votes I received from those who would be on my favorite photographers list. I think what people are looking for in many cases is a 'score' that comes from a demographic that means something to them. The scores we receive here are nothing more than a general average. If I chose a list of photographers who I admire and enjoy, An average of the votes they cast on my entries would mean more to me than a general average.


06/13/2006 02:44:29 PM · #14
Originally posted by TrynityRose:
Kinda sounds like signature votes on dailyawards.com. The more you win the more 'weight' your score is worth since it is assumed you know more and are better at judging what is good or not.


Yup, I was going to post the same thing. For example, I'm at a "Level 8" there, so my vote is is counted as 8 votes for every vote, as opposed to a "Level 1" where each vote is only counted as 1 vote. I'm still undecided whether I like that way or not, although I see the motiv behind it.
 06/13/2006 02:46:28 PM · #15
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
... I think what people are looking for in many cases is a 'score' that comes from a demographic that means something to them. The scores we receive here are nothing more than a general average. If I chose a list of photographers who I admire and enjoy, An average of the votes they cast on my entries would mean more to me than a general average.

This sounds interesting. Some check would need to be in place to insure at least 2 (maybe 3) favorite photographers were selected to insure anonymous voting. If you only selected 1 photographer you would know their exact vote...
 06/13/2006 02:50:19 PM · #16
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
... I think what people are looking for in many cases is a 'score' that comes from a demographic that means something to them. The scores we receive here are nothing more than a general average. If I chose a list of photographers who I admire and enjoy, An average of the votes they cast on my entries would mean more to me than a general average.

This sounds interesting. Some check would need to be in place to insure at least 2 (maybe 3) favorite photographers were selected to insure anonymous voting. If you only selected 1 photographer you would know their exact vote...


There's always some issue :)
 06/13/2006 02:52:24 PM · #17
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
... I think what people are looking for in many cases is a 'score' that comes from a demographic that means something to them. The scores we receive here are nothing more than a general average. If I chose a list of photographers who I admire and enjoy, An average of the votes they cast on my entries would mean more to me than a general average.

This sounds interesting. Some check would need to be in place to insure at least 2 (maybe 3) favorite photographers were selected to insure anonymous voting. If you only selected 1 photographer you would know their exact vote...


There's always some issue :)


So you have to choose a minimum of 10 (or some other arbitrary but large enough number) to enable the feature...

(There's almost always some answer :) )
 06/13/2006 02:58:17 PM · #18
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I think what people are looking for in many cases is a 'score' that comes from a demographic that means something to them.

Very true. I don't mean to knock any of the ribbon winners, but in MY eyes they are not always deserved.
There are photographers who specialize in styles that I don't care for one little bit, yet others I feel were overlooked, so it would be nice to be able to handpick the voters.

Such votes would of course completely skew any averages, so they should only be for our own enrichment, and not be compared overall.

John's idea makes a lot of sense, indeed, just as long as we keep everyone's choice anonymous.
06/13/2006 03:03:40 PM · #19
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
... There's always some issue :)

Sorry. I'm a programmer and always think about the conditional statements. ;^)
 06/13/2006 03:50:10 PM · #20
Originally posted by TrynityRose:
Kinda sounds like signature votes on dailyawards.com. The more you win the more 'weight' your score is worth since it is assumed you know more and are better at judging what is good or not.


Ya, but I think it should be a seperate vote not related to the real vote that counts. I like all the other ideas as well.

Message edited by author 2006-06-13 15:52:04.
 06/13/2006 04:25:07 PM · #21
Giving the blue ribboners a separate voting system assumes that they would vote in some way differently than the general population. That is likely true but unless we can define how they would be different it is impossible to determine if their separate voting would have any value or meaning. The blue ribboners are so very diverse (having only one thing more in common than the whole group) that I don't see how we can understand the differences between their voting and the regular voting. And I'm not sure about this but my suspicion is that the blue ribboners vote proportionally less than the whole group, which would make their voting more erratic and even harder to decipher. I fail to see anything gained from giving the blue ribboners their own separate voting system. In John's idea at least you can define the separate group of voters in a more meaningful way.
06/13/2006 04:41:30 PM · #22
it already tells you what people with no camera voted so why couldn't there just be a seperate spot for past ribon winners? I like john's idea better especially if it could be changed. for instance if I was going to submit a photo that had some heavy processing or a very erie feel to it I know it will score low with some voters that don't like that style but if i could see what people that like that style or are good at that style then I would be able to judge it better.

Message edited by author 2006-06-13 16:42:34.
 06/13/2006 04:53:08 PM · #23
Originally posted by coolhar:
I fail to see anything gained from giving the blue ribboners their own separate voting system.

I do - We can all start ranting when we see "Avg (blue ribboners): 0.000"
 06/13/2006 04:57:53 PM · #24
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
... I would LOVE to see an average score from the votes I received from those who would be on my favorite photographers list.

This stat is the only thing I've seen so far which makes sense, especially along with the additional suggestion to require a minimum number of favorite photographers to be listed before the feature becomes active.
 06/13/2006 05:11:17 PM · #25
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
... I would LOVE to see an average score from the votes I received from those who would be on my favorite photographers list.

This stat is the only thing I've seen so far which makes sense, especially along with the additional suggestion to require a minimum number of favorite photographers to be listed before the feature becomes active.


I like that one too.
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