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03/21/2003 12:06:52 PM · #1 |
| I was looking at the prints available and wondering about the borders that some photographers are adding to their shots. Personally, I would want to be able to just slip the pic into a standard frame or mat. I don't want to have to worry about covering up text or a different colored mat on the picture. Honestly, it would be a significant consideration in choosing which pictures to purchase. Perhaps photographers could offer the picture both ways. I can understand wanting your name on your pictures, but IMO it should be up to the buyer as to whether or not they want to advertise for you. |
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03/21/2003 12:19:13 PM · #2 |
This question has been concerning me as well. I would prefer to offer prints that allowed the buyer to slip them into readily available frames (standard sizes) without worrying about signatures or borders.
If borders or signatures are applied, then I would like to make sure that they "fit" the standard frames without losing anything.
Basically, I just don't want to offer prints that wind up requiring custom frames. I little framing, titles, and signatures don't bug me so much as long as they don't require special handling.
Now, I know that with most standard sizes you have the frame size, and the mounting size. Meaning, your photo may be 8x10, but to fit into the frame without losing any of the actual photo, you would ideally have some amount of border available to mount the photo into the frame. Does that make any sense?
(It's all this math that has kept me from jumping into prints any faster... but I'm getting there.) |
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03/21/2003 12:22:35 PM · #3 |
| I've thought about that too. I was going to put a border on my prints, but then I thought what if someone wanted on and was goig to mat and frame it. The color of the border might not be the color of what they want the mat to be. So I left the prints without the border because that is what you'd usually by from a photography business or places like that. |
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03/21/2003 12:24:31 PM · #4 |
| I took all the borders off of mine before uploading the printables. You never know how even the print is going to come out, will part of the border be clipped on top, bottom and then the photo just looks uneven. Part of the photo being clipped, although very undesirable, it is a lot better than a noticably uneven border. |
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03/21/2003 01:29:51 PM · #5 |
I did some research on this a while back... I like matted prints and I didn't want to create prints that were difficult to matte...
Your standard matte for an 8x10 print is 11x14 inches on the outside. The opening in the matte is 7.5x9.5 inches. The matte will cover 1/4" of your 8x10 image.
With this in mind, i created print files at the 8x10 size with a 1/4" border that contains my text and copyright info. The matte completely covers the text and not the image...
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03/21/2003 02:39:05 PM · #6 |
Thanks John, that answers an important question I had about matting.
But the real question for me is (and this may be listed somewhere in the prints area...) If I upload a photo sized for an 8x10 (no borders, text or anything, just photo), do I receive back a photo that is "borderless" 8x10? Or would the printer leave some border as a matter of course, so that the print itself was 8x10, but with some small amount of border causing the printed photo to be slightly smaller than 8x10. |
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03/21/2003 03:13:15 PM · #7 |
I think the print would be borderless in that case.
I also add a border to avoid excessive resampling. And I'd like people to be able to post the photo without a frame. The customer can always cover the border with their mat, or even trim the border off entirely.
I "frame" mine like a poster/print. Maybe it's because I come more from a graphic background. And when I look at a photo myself, I usually find it more interesting if I know when, where, and by whom it was taken.
And, I think if anyone likes a photo but not the frame/caption, they are welcome to send me an email and request a "plain" version -- I even put a note to that effect in the photo description of one of my images. |
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03/21/2003 03:15:33 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Your standard matte for an 8x10 print is 11x14 inches on the outside. The opening in the matte is 7.5x9.5 inches. The matte will cover 1/4" of your 8x10 image.
With this in mind, i created print files at the 8x10 size with a 1/4" border that contains my text and copyright info. The matte completely covers the text and not the image... |
But if they order a 4x5 the border will be 1/8" and 1/2" for a 16x20. |
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03/21/2003 03:17:56 PM · #9 |
I have also added a message to all my prints to message me with requests, but it has occured to me that somebody happening upon the site wouldn't have clue how to do that.
Is there any way of adding a PM hyperlink in the comments? or could we have a PM button on each page? |
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03/21/2003 03:23:55 PM · #10 |
| Maybe there can just be a general notification on the home pages to the effect that all photographers can be contacted via the profile page link. |
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03/21/2003 04:01:46 PM · #11 |
| I've also been trying to put the text far enough out of the way that they can mount the print and use part of the border while covering the text. |
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03/21/2003 04:35:53 PM · #12 |
Advertisement? It is a print by the photographer, who would like lasting recognition for it just as Rembrandt, Monet, Warhol, Ansel Adams, and the rest of them did.
I was schooled on this by John Setzler, so I am following his method. |
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03/21/2003 11:23:38 PM · #13 |
| Maybe advertisement isn't the best word. I wouldn't mind having an autographed copy of a photograph (maybe you can add a small signature to the bottom of the actual photo in PS), but I don't know of any painters who left a border with the painting's title and their contact info. I just want to be able to use a standard sized matte and frame without having to worry about covering up another colored border or text. |
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03/21/2003 11:37:10 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by indigo997:
Maybe advertisement isn't the best word. I wouldn't mind having an autographed copy of a photograph (maybe you can add a small signature to the bottom of the actual photo in PS), but I don't know of any painters who left a border with the painting's title and their contact info. I just want to be able to use a standard sized matte and frame without having to worry about covering up another colored border or text. |
I have not seen any with contact info.. I guess to each their own, but I would not do that..
and.. to clarify the "I'm following John's method" thingy... I meant.. his method of formating for frames and mattes. ;0) |
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03/22/2003 10:15:46 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Your standard matte for an 8x10 print is 11x14 inches on the outside. The opening in the matte is 7.5x9.5 inches. The matte will cover 1/4" of your 8x10 image.
With this in mind, i created print files at the 8x10 size with a 1/4" border that contains my text and copyright info. The matte completely covers the text and not the image... |
But if they order a 4x5 the border will be 1/8" and 1/2" for a 16x20. |
This is correct... I don't know what the opening on the matte is like on a 4x5 matte and most people don't matte 16x20 prints...
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03/22/2003 10:27:30 AM · #16 |
| I saw a frame with a "ready matte" in a store the other day. The frame was 16X20, but the cut out of the matte was 8X13 |
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03/22/2003 03:50:07 PM · #17 |
i starting using the Hungate's arts and crafts store matting over christmas and seem to remember that i found very easy to use mattes in sizes like 11x14 for an 8x10 (7.5x9.5 actual opening), 16x20 for a 11x14 (10.5x13.5)--and so on. of course, much of this depends on how wide of a matte you like. but at any rate it seems these standard matte sizes would certainly go along with covering the signatures--at least of the standard size prints! :)
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03/22/2003 03:59:00 PM · #18 |
hmmm, this may or may not be helpful, but here is a list of some standard matte sizes i found (with actual openings in parentheses)...
4x6 (2x3)
5x7 (3x4.5)
6x8(3.5x5.5)
8x10(4.5x6.5)
9x12(6.5x8.5)
11x14(7.5x9.5)
12x16(8x11.5)
16x20(10.5x13.5)
20x24(15.5x19.5)
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03/22/2003 04:27:47 PM · #19 |
That's helpful! Thanks, Alecia!
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