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05/10/2006 08:08:01 PM · #1 |
I get more and more discouraged. I realize that voting in a challenge is a reflection of one's opinion. But, how do we get from 1 to 10? This photo, titled No Borders, in the Cliches and Sayings challenge had 2 @1, 18@ 2 as well as 2@ 10 and 1@ 9. The picture meets the challenge and is in focus. please help me to understand why such a broad range of scores and why anyone would vote a 1 or a 2 on this.
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05/10/2006 08:11:32 PM · #2 |
I'll be very surprised if you get a good answer.
Some people just like giving out one's and two's without leaving a comment I guess.
bazz.
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05/10/2006 08:15:57 PM · #3 |
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05/10/2006 08:19:11 PM · #4 |
Even if we had a challenge that said there were no rules and any photo is acceptable you'd still see plenty of people swinging that DNMC hammer. Technicals always take a back seat to meeting the challenge.
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05/10/2006 08:21:03 PM · #5 |
Its only take you 26 challenges to get discouraged by the realization of the voting systems ... that is pretty good. Took me two.
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05/11/2006 04:47:18 PM · #6 |
Yeah, I think that's just how people are...
My second entry  got:
1s: 5
2s: 4
9s: 14
10s: 16
So people either loved this or hated it
while my first entry  got:
1s: 0
2s: 4
9s: 6
10s: 1
So I guess it was overall agreed to be average
Also, an explanation I assume to probably be true was sherpet's rant that some people score something a 1 or 2 purposely to try to make sure it doesn't score higher than theirs. thread: how I personally score for every challenge I agree that this is a low-down thing to do and I pity anyone who feels they need to do that to make themselves feel better. (though I'm not saying that's what happened to me)
But I always wondered how ribbon scoring entries could have gotten so many low scores... that just makes them even better because they still won with 1s and 2s trying to drag them down |
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05/11/2006 08:16:49 PM · #7 |
| I left a fairly detailed explanation of how I vote, and how I saw your photo in the comments section below your photo. I hope they help. |
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05/11/2006 10:00:55 PM · #8 |
Earl,
You, like everyone, are entitled to your opinion. However, I would like to enlighten you a little. Google the term "no borders" and you will see a return of 1,580,000 pages with that term. Not too bad for a term that is not "often used" or "often heard".
The photo is what it is. I know it's not a 9 or a 10 but I also know its not a 1 or 2.
That being said, it's probably time for this thread to die. My point is that voting is erratic and in some cases biased. What I would like to see, especially for new people such as yourself, is for DPC to provide some guidance(suggestions) for voting. |
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05/11/2006 10:14:45 PM · #9 |
Earl gave you a wonderful critique most people would die for. He was honest and told you why he gave it a 4.
Jeez. |
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05/11/2006 10:18:00 PM · #10 |
| I was not critical of his critique. I wouldn't exactly die for it though. I appreciate all critiques, good or bad. My concern though is for the overall voting processes and reasoning, not an individual critique. |
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05/11/2006 10:25:07 PM · #11 |
| Earl's right, though. "No borders" is not evocative enough of a cliche or well-heeled saying, I think. You probably shouldn't slap him for that. |
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05/11/2006 11:03:30 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by phinbob:
I get more and more discouraged. I realize that voting in a challenge is a reflection of one's opinion. But, how do we get from 1 to 10? |
I'm not surprised that we get votes from 1 to 10 on almost every image. I'd be a lot more surprised if we all agreed. It is in the nature of art that individual works will reach some people and not others.
We are a diverse group of photographers. We have different backgrounds, different interests, and very different aesthetic sensibilities. This is one of the strengths of DPC. We can learn a lot from listening to each other.
In spite of the diversity of individual opinions, there is a definite consensus about images that is reflected in the overall averages images receive. Some people understand this well and are very good at producing images that appeal to the DPC consensus. These are the people who collect lots of ribbons.
There are also people here who I think are excellent photographers but whose vision does not match the DPC consensus. They might be able to find a different group that appreciates their vision and in which they would be honored with lots of ribbons.
--DanW |
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05/11/2006 11:43:29 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by amandalore:
Also, an explanation I assume to probably be true was sherpet's rant that some people score something a 1 or 2 purposely to try to make sure it doesn't score higher than theirs. I agree that this is a low-down thing to do and I pity anyone who feels they need to do that to make themselves feel better. (though I'm not saying that's what happened to me)surprised
But I always wondered how ribbon scoring entries could have gotten so many low scores... that just makes them even better because they still won with 1s and 2s trying to drag them down |
Amanda,
First of all, I liked both your entries very much and gave them both higher votes that you got from most of the voters. I think my aesthetic vision matches yours and that I'm likely to appreciate the work you do in the future. You might even like the work that I do.
I also find that some of the images that get ribbons here in DPC are those that I have given low votes. My vision does not match the DPC consensus. I don't think I have ever given a 1 or 2 to a ribbon winner, but it is not unusual for me to find that I've given 4's to more than one of the images in the top ten.
I teach statistics. I see NO evidence that there are trolls who give low votes to images they actually think are good. EVERY image gets a wide range of votes that fall aproximately on a bell-shaped normal curve. The low votes on ribbon winners are exactly what I would expect from a diverse group of voters.
We also see that the images at the bottom of the rankings usually get a few high votes of 9 or 10. It is the same bell curve at work.
Finally, there are real differences in the spread of the bell curve on the images. As you noted, your second image got a wider spread of votes than your first image. Images that are unusual or controversal in any way tend to provoke stronger reactions in both direction. A creative image that wins a ribbon because of strong positive reactions is likely to have a few strongly negative reactions as well.
--DanW |
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05/12/2006 12:12:30 AM · #14 |
| yeah, I could see that... and it makes sense, idk, I guess I just view the 1 score as the worst possible photo, and I don't really vote on whether or not something meets the challenge cuz I realize that I can't possibly know everything, so I assume that it must somehow, besides, I'm a big believer in art and its need for interpretation. I don't think I've ever given a 1, a few 2's, but the photo has to be really out of focus and no thought put into the setup. I just think it's interesting how 2 - 400 people can be so diverse.. I was just trying to illustrate the point that the scoring on his photo wasn't so bad, I wasn't complaining, actually I was estatic that I got so many high scores and that I finished a lot better than I predicted, but didn't want to seem like I was bragging. just wanted to show that there are a lot of photos on this site with scores all over the board, but didn't want to point anyone else out. |
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05/17/2006 08:47:06 AM · #15 |
I you're getting ones and tens then you're pushing lots of buttons. Don't forget that if you're not getting flak then you're probably not over the target.
I think a case could be made for defining challenge criteria - maybe not in all cases, but if it were possible to find a page on the net with a list of clichés and/or common sayings, and as long as there were plenty of them, then the challenge could stipulate 'use one of these'. Likewise challenges like 'still life' or 'rhythm' could provide a link to a Wikipedia definition or similar. A lot of people just don't seem to understand the terms. (I guess that's a subjective assessment too). :-) |
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