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05/09/2006 06:56:38 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Discussing outtakes in challenges is making me a moody voter... so nah!
Say no to rule #2 or 1's for all. :-P |
Totally, this thread is ticking my off and affecting others voting, it should be locked and hidden so that it can't affect other voting, and then others won't get low votes and they'll be happy, and they will give out high votes too, and then we'll all have 10++++ scores.
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05/09/2006 08:02:04 PM · #27 |
Outtakes are just the tip of the iceberg. There are so many factors that can influence the way people vote. It's not just limited to outtakes, and no matter how hard you try, influencing the way people view images and vote cannot be contained - short of eliminating a good portion of forum threads.
If you stop outtakes, where do you draw the line on other forum postings?
To answer the OP's question - I've been influenced for sure, and outtakes hasn't been the only source. Biggest persuader (pet peeve) is seeing an image floated for feedback and then seeing the same (not similar) image in a challenge later on. Fortunately, that's only happened a couple of times. |
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05/09/2006 08:02:41 PM · #28 |
Again it is a VIRTUAL RIBBON
RELAX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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05/09/2006 08:03:44 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by rex:
Originally posted by karmabreeze:
I don't buy it from anyone who says flat out absolutely no.
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Well buy it, because it doesn't affect me. I always vote as soon as possible on a challenge. Ussally before I read ANY threads. And I never .........I repeat NEVER go back and change my vote. I don't like it when people tell me what I think. |
The key here is "usually". How can you be sure your vote wasn't even slightly affected? You can't. I'm not telling you what to think. I'm telling you that I think it's wrong to assume that anyone's mind, yours included, is so well steeled against outside influence to make such a pronouncement.
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05/09/2006 08:06:02 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by karmabreeze:
Originally posted by rex:
Originally posted by karmabreeze:
I don't buy it from anyone who says flat out absolutely no.
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Well buy it, because it doesn't affect me. I always vote as soon as possible on a challenge. Ussally before I read ANY threads. And I never .........I repeat NEVER go back and change my vote. I don't like it when people tell me what I think. |
The key here is "usually". How can you be sure your vote wasn't even slightly affected? You can't. I'm not telling you what to think. I'm telling you that I think it's wrong to assume that anyone's mind, yours included, is so well steeled against outside influence to make such a pronouncement. |
GOD you just don't get it do you?
IT DOES NOT INFLUENCE ME
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05/09/2006 08:24:52 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by karmabreeze:
... I'm telling you that I think it's wrong to assume that anyone's mind, yours included, is so well steeled against outside influence to make such a pronouncement. |
Your opinion is noted; however, it hasn't changed my mind.
See? That's the kind of thing some of us are talking about.... |
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05/09/2006 08:42:46 PM · #32 |
I don't get it? Trust me, I do. Because you're proving my point.
Everything and everyone influences everyone else in some way. Everything you have ever said, heard, done, experienced, eaten, forgotten, committed to memory, smelled, touched and seen. Sometimes it influences us to make the decision to ignore everyone else's opinions. The decision to ignore is just as influenced as the decision to be swayed.
You're being influenced right now. All caps = shouting = Big Clue.
So the point is that unless you live under a rock and emerge only to vote on challenges, never ever ever ever ever venturing into the forums, everything - every post, word, picture, link, and emoticon - anyone sees here influences how that individual will vote. And actually, our rock dweller has been influenced in some way to vote and in his voting method. Probably by learning about art and photography under someone else's rock. The only way to ensure that no one here is influenced in voting methodology is to remove the forums, prohibit all discussion entirely.
But I sense that you're too locked into your mindset to "get" that. Philosophy lesson over, adios.
Originally posted by rex:
Originally posted by karmabreeze:
Originally posted by rex:
Originally posted by karmabreeze:
I don't buy it from anyone who says flat out absolutely no.
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Well buy it, because it doesn't affect me. I always vote as soon as possible on a challenge. Ussally before I read ANY threads. And I never .........I repeat NEVER go back and change my vote. I don't like it when people tell me what I think. |
The key here is "usually". How can you be sure your vote wasn't even slightly affected? You can't. I'm not telling you what to think. I'm telling you that I think it's wrong to assume that anyone's mind, yours included, is so well steeled against outside influence to make such a pronouncement. |
GOD you just don't get it do you?
IT DOES NOT INFLUENCE ME |
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05/09/2006 08:45:40 PM · #33 |
So you are saying we will never be able to discuss photography cuase there is always a challenge going on?
You don't have to answer. You can not tell me the way I do things because I know for a fact that outtake thread have never influenced my voting. And like I already stated some of you act as if we are trying to win gold here. I am on ignore now.
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05/09/2006 09:13:42 PM · #34 |
The original question was whether or not we are influenced, and we are. Whether or not we should discuss or post outtakes was not the question, and not what I'm arguing. But whatever. I'm not worked up over it.
Originally posted by rex:
So you are saying we will never be able to discuss photography cuase there is always a challenge going on?
You don't have to answer. You can not tell me the way I do things because I know for a fact that outtake thread have never influenced my voting. And like I already stated some of you act as if we are trying to win gold here. I am on ignore now. |
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05/09/2006 09:33:14 PM · #35 |
| No I don't think an outtake thread has ever influenced my vote more than any other forum thread or photography conversation - or my personal comfort at that particular date and time. Actually my personal comfort is a much larger influence. These exchanges really have become entertaining... ;-) |
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05/09/2006 09:37:28 PM · #36 |
Threads have no effect on voting at all...
I've been bitching forever about monitor calibration and voters still don't do it...
:-P
Message edited by author 2006-05-09 21:37:46.
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05/09/2006 09:43:22 PM · #37 |
I would have to say that an outtake has caused me to re-evaluate my vote a few times, simply because my mind has been opened to a new idea, or I learned something about photography/processing. I would also have to say that if I voted today on Shoes and Branch (the first two challenges I voted on), I would most likely vote differently because of all I have learned. Challenge entries themselves are influencing--I feel different about the 5th shot of "X" than I did the first one.
I think that as I learn, I look for different things. Posting photos, entering challenges, reading comments, seeing other photos (whether an outtake or just general posting) are all learning opportunities. That is one reason I am here. I honestly believe I have never looked at others' opinions of an outtake and decided to like or dislike a shot because of it.
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05/09/2006 09:52:26 PM · #38 |
Precisely ;-)
Originally posted by chaimelle:
I would have to say that an outtake has caused me to re-evaluate my vote a few times, simply because my mind has been opened to a new idea, or I learned something about photography/processing. I would also have to say that if I voted today on Shoes and Branch (the first two challenges I voted on), I would most likely vote differently because of all I have learned. Challenge entries themselves are influencing--I feel different about the 5th shot of "X" than I did the first one.
I think that as I learn, I look for different things. Posting photos, entering challenges, reading comments, seeing other photos (whether an outtake or just general posting) are all learning opportunities. That is one reason I am here. I honestly believe I have never looked at others' opinions of an outtake and decided to like or dislike a shot because of it. |
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05/10/2006 01:50:48 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by chaimelle:
Change the way you voted on one or more entries in any challenge?
Since the outtake discussion thread is for members only, I wanted to give all participants a chance to answer this question. I do not want replies of how your score went up or down, and you feel it was because of outtakes. I wnat to know that you saw an outtake and either went back and changed some/all of your votes or decided before voting that you would vote higher/lower on certain kinds of shots. |
Has an outtake (or discussion of topic, for that matter) ever caused me to go back and change a vote -- absolutely no!
Do outtakes change the way I vote? Sure, just like every other thread on this site. It's not just limited to the few threads that are labeled as outtakes. Any thread that contains any discussion of techniques, post-processing, lighting, model placement or anything else has an affect on my voting. And every one of them (outtakes included) have one thing in common -- they broaden my perspective of the challenge entries. They give me a chance to see the challenge topic from a perspective other than my own limited experience. They are a 'Good Thing!'®
Have they ever influenced my decision of what score to give without my knowing they were influencing it? Absolutely not! Voting is a deliberate act of making a decision for me. And, yes, I know why I gave the vote I give. It's not possible to make a decision without knowing why it was made. A person that doesn't know why they made a decision ... didn't! It would take an someone in a near hypnotic trance to believe they were making a decision without knowing the reasons for making it -- not to mention how weak-minded they would have to be to then act on such a decision. Weak-minded or irresponsible, if there is a difference between the two.
Voting on this site is based on personal opinion, which is in turn based on that individuals experiences. Attempting to limit the experiences an individual can draw upon while voting seems like nothing mroe than an attempt to control how that individual is voting. As long as the votes are based on personal opinion, there is no wrong vote. Let's say that again -- There is no wrong vote! If there is no wrong way to vote (worth repeating), there can not be a wrong way to decide what that vote will be -- provided they are making the decision.
David
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