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05/02/2006 04:10:35 PM · #1 |
I've been thinking for a while of starting up a weekly thread discussing at least 1 ribbon winner a week.
Basically the thread would attempt to delve into your mind (the voter) to find out why the picture works so well. Many times a winning photo "breaks the rules" or is technically "imperfect" in someway yet we all vote it high enough to put it in the top 3 (which I'm not saying is wrong, we are after all the ones who put it there). What was it that overcame those "short comings"? Why did THAT picture ribbon?
I think that many people could learn a lot from such a thread about how the "general populous" thinks about images.
I'm asking beforehand because:
It may be a bad idea that no one is interested in.
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The ribbon winner may not have a thick enough skin to have their photo disected.
What do you think? |
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05/02/2006 04:13:59 PM · #2 |
I'm thinking I'm paranoid now because you started this thread after I win my first blue ribbon.
*peers around nervously* |
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05/02/2006 04:16:54 PM · #3 |
I think you're chasing a ghost. The score is an average of hundreds of minds, each thinking differently.
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05/02/2006 04:21:05 PM · #4 |
Well I think this would be cool topic to discuss, however, some people might not take well to their ribbon being "questioned", that is don´t have thick enough skin.
All of my ribbons have come from shots that I was sure weren´t gonna ribbon (well actually I had a good feeling about my jump entry but wasn´t optimistic enough to predict a ribbon there) and there were shots I was sure I had a good chance that didn´t even make the top 10% so if I ever do get another ribbon, I would more than welcome such a discussion on why people thougt it did so well in a challenge. |
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05/02/2006 04:22:21 PM · #5 |
I think it's a pretty good idea. I believe that there are certain things that people (voters) like to see in pictures and identifying and analyzing and learning those things helps everyone else, in theory, take more pleasing-to-the-general-community photos. I don't think it should so much be a thread showing what the photographer did wrong (though that would be interesting too, seeing as how they must've overcome it somehow), but what they did right. Seems like it would be a great thread to learn things, and you could potentially cover a different topic/technique every week.
My $0.02 :~)
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05/02/2006 04:23:50 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by commendatori:
I think it's a pretty good idea. I believe that there are certain things that people (voters) like to see in pictures and identifying and analyzing and learning those things helps everyone else, in theory, take more pleasing-to-the-general-community photos. I don't think it should so much be a thread showing what the photographer did wrong (though that would be interesting too, seeing as how they must've overcome it somehow), but what they did right. Seems like it would be a great thread to learn things, and you could potentially cover a different topic/technique every week.
My $0.02 :~) |
Exactly my sentiment! Only thing is I think it would be a good idea to PM the photographer to ask if they wanted such a discussion on their photo or not. I myself would be flattered :D |
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05/02/2006 04:24:24 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
I think you're chasing a ghost. The score is an average of hundreds of minds, each thinking differently. |
I understand all the voters aren't going to post an opinion on the photo but I for one could learn something (about photography in general) if just 5-10 people posted why the picture worked for them. Right now all I have are my own opinions.
This isn't a "how do I ribbon at DPC?" topic - it's more of an examination of photography itself. It's easy to learn the rule of thirds, basic exposure etc., it's a whole other thing to make an amazing photo that disregards some or all of those rules. |
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05/02/2006 04:25:04 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
I think you're chasing a ghost. The score is an average of hundreds of minds, each thinking differently. |
I agree, quite often ribbon winners only get an average score from me.
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05/02/2006 04:26:11 PM · #9 |
| Somebody tried this about 2 or 3 months ago. It didn't endure for long. I'll have to dig and see if I can find the thread(s) a little later. |
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05/02/2006 04:27:54 PM · #10 |
Definately not looking to "question" the worthiness of the photo or start a lynch mob to get the ribbon taken away.
I think positives and some negatives could be discussed but ultimately I think it would be about the positives because obviously the photo had enough to rank higher than every other in that challenge. |
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05/02/2006 04:30:35 PM · #11 |
| There seem to inevitably be a million threads about "why did you score this photo so low" after a challenge, it just seems to me there's value in the seldomn to never asked question "why did this photo score so high". |
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05/02/2006 04:36:19 PM · #12 |
I would love to hear the thoughts and feelings of others in a positive way about the ribbon winners. I would volunteer to have my yellow looked at. It was a real surprise to me that I would love to replicate.
I think that it would also reinforce the fundamentals of photography as we note the application and effects.
Becky
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05/02/2006 04:38:22 PM · #13 |
I'm game for this. Lets not discriminate, and include brown ribbons too :)
Seriously though, think it would be best for the photographer to be asked is he is willing to have his photograph analysed on open forum, as inevitably there would have been low votes included in the average. These things could easily turn into a bashing session.
Message edited by author 2006-05-02 16:41:40. |
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05/02/2006 04:40:09 PM · #14 |
This is about when it started...but can't find the actual thread where the discussion/critiquing of ribbon winners is.
post challenge results discussion. |
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05/02/2006 04:40:55 PM · #15 |
| I think its a great idea!! I'm here to learn ater all :) |
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05/02/2006 05:04:15 PM · #16 |
Feel free to tear either of my ribbon winners to shreads. :)
 
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05/02/2006 05:22:23 PM · #17 |
| Great idea. We would learn heaps including the ribbon winner as long as you PM'd them first. |
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05/02/2006 05:32:07 PM · #18 |
| I like this idea and believe we could learn something useful about the abberrant minds of the voters! In almost every challenge I see at least one ribbon winner that is just as described by Megatherian. My first thoughts are: "What were they thinking?"; "Can't they see that blown highlight?"; "DPC voters must be collectively mad!"; "It's out of focus, you twits!". Then check to see what I gave the offending image, "oh, I gave it a 7. What was I thinking!" |
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05/02/2006 05:34:30 PM · #19 |
I think it's a great idea. When you scroll through the comments of a ribbon-winning shot you will find most of the comments are basically congratulatory (I do mean the ones made during voting). Comments such as "good shot" or "I like this". Not a very good insight.
I don't feel there would be a problem with the photogs whose photos would be discussed. After all, they did put the shot up for voting!
I feel this would be a great way to learn. And really understand what makes an image work.
Just my 2 eurocents. |
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05/02/2006 05:37:50 PM · #20 |
I'm all for this. I think it would be very instructive. I see absolutely no reason to clear it with the photographer first. An image posted in DPC is fair game for any sort of commentary at any time. I'm always interested in seeing why people voted the way they did, what some people "see" in an image that I missed, for example.
Robt.
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05/02/2006 05:59:29 PM · #21 |
I'm game!!! I think it's a wonderful idea to have the insights of as many DPC'ers as possible about one's entry.
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05/02/2006 06:01:28 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I'm all for this. I think it would be very instructive. I see absolutely no reason to clear it with the photographer first. An image posted in DPC is fair game for any sort of commentary at any time. I'm always interested in seeing why people voted the way they did, what some people "see" in an image that I missed, for example.
Robt. |
I think it should be curtesy to ask the photographer. "Why did THAT ribbon?" sounds a bit insulting to the photographer who would no doubt be over the moon about his ribbon. A PM explaining the intended purpose of the thread and asking permission sounds like the polite thing to do.
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05/02/2006 06:27:03 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by Konador:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I'm all for this. I think it would be very instructive. I see absolutely no reason to clear it with the photographer first. An image posted in DPC is fair game for any sort of commentary at any time. I'm always interested in seeing why people voted the way they did, what some people "see" in an image that I missed, for example.
Robt. |
I think it should be curtesy to ask the photographer. "Why did THAT ribbon?" sounds a bit insulting to the photographer who would no doubt be over the moon about his ribbon. A PM explaining the intended purpose of the thread and asking permission sounds like the polite thing to do. |
Well. I'd like to dream nobody would actually start their threads that way, LOL. If we had a "tradition" in place where the three ribbon-winners got analyzed/dissected after each challenge, and this was an ongoing thing, it would just be a commonplace, you know? I can't imagine anyone opting out, or even if they did, why we should pay any attention tot hat, frankly. It's not like we're out to assassinate the images, just to discuss them in depth.
Who wouldn't be happy with that?
R.
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05/02/2006 06:33:56 PM · #24 |
Feel free to comment and tear apart my ribbon winners...no wait, I don't have any. Dammit. But if ever I do, feel free to discuss. I appreciate all constructive comments, good or bad.
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05/02/2006 06:38:41 PM · #25 |
There was a similar suggestion here;
//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=298198
And a some post-challenge critiques on the 'Image Grain' ribbon-winners posted here;
//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=297184
Is that the sort of thing you mean? - I recall the problem at the time was that the idea didn't really gain momentum. As soon as voting is over, people move on to the next challenge.
Message edited by author 2006-05-02 18:38:48. |
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