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10/31/2005 04:31:51 PM · #1
Did anyone use iso or exposure to obtain their image grain?
I've been checking in periodically but not participating much.
My observation is...post editing is now totally accepted at dpc and the trend has officially shifted. Duh!
10/31/2005 04:44:34 PM · #2
It looks like most were grain added. Mine was done the old fashion way...ISO
10/31/2005 04:45:10 PM · #3
My image was originally very grainy because I had to shoot at a high ISO and my camera makes every ISO that isn't 100 pretty bad. I did add in more grain afterwords.

If PS grain is easier to manage and you can make it look just as good, then why not? :-)

Message edited by author 2005-10-31 16:45:43.
10/31/2005 04:46:34 PM · #4
Originally posted by azoychka:

It looks like most were grain added. Mine was done the old fashion way...ISO


Mine also...
10/31/2005 04:49:43 PM · #5
I used iso 3200 and made adjustments to the histogram to darken the image.


10/31/2005 05:09:48 PM · #6
I shot at 1600 and still added grain, but still didnt get any comments during the challenge.
10/31/2005 05:13:14 PM · #7
most of what appears as grain in mine is actually the effect of the waterfall mixed with the marvelous minolta camera grain Joey was talking about.
10/31/2005 05:15:04 PM · #8
I shot at high ISO and in really crappy lighting, then tweaked the curves/levels like crazy to bring out more grain. The shots came out really dark (which is what I wanted) and so a whole lot of grain came out when I lightened 'em up :) Fun to get to do that on purpose and not be killed for it!
10/31/2005 05:20:02 PM · #9
Mine was added in camera. ISO set at 3200.

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10/31/2005 06:04:47 PM · #10
Had I entered I would have chosen to shoot at a low ISO (ISO 200) and add the grain later with a grain tool or plugin.
Digital High Iso noise is ugly and looks nothing like good old fashioned film grain. Digital grain usually also comes with color noise (the red green blue micro color shifts = even worse as the pattern noise). Underexposing at high iso and then compensating the underexposure also messes up the color and contrast.

Here are two examples that would look (even?) worse when shot at high ISO and underexposed. These were shot at ISO160 and the grain was added later.

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Message edited by author 2005-10-31 18:08:54.
10/31/2005 06:06:38 PM · #11
Mine had no noise in the original. It was a candid shot during an event. Added grain later for the challenge.
10/31/2005 06:29:04 PM · #12
Mine was shot at 1600 ISO, low light, but it still looked clean, so I added grain to enahance the character of the picture
10/31/2005 06:41:57 PM · #13
Would be interesting to have a grain challenge where no grain-added processing was allowed.
10/31/2005 06:45:16 PM · #14
Originally posted by azoychka:

Would be interesting to have a grain challenge where no grain-added processing was allowed.

...and it should be an open challenge with basic editing
10/31/2005 06:48:54 PM · #15
Mine was shot at ISO 100 and the grain added later. I think the filters did a much better job of simulating film grain than just shooting at 1600 or 3200.
10/31/2005 07:28:55 PM · #16
Originally posted by azoychka:

Would be interesting to have a grain challenge where no grain-added processing was allowed.


I guess this would be a good way to add leverage to cameras with more inherent noise than others at high ISO, but I don't see what actual value it would add to the challenge as it already stood.
10/31/2005 08:36:34 PM · #17
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This was shot at ISO 1600. But I added grain as well as processing it for grunge "Joey" style thanks to Joey's tutorial on Grunge!

I was very pleased that I was doing really well the first night, including my first score and comment which came from Joey (thanks). And I had four favorites on the first day of voting.

I did have a couple of critiques that said "too much" grain, but I liked the painterly look it gave it. (Actually, the original also looks somewhat painterly.)

10/31/2005 08:40:39 PM · #18
Was this challenge 'grain' or 'grunge'? Is it the same?
10/31/2005 09:02:34 PM · #19
Originally posted by Marjo:

post editing is now totally accepted ..... and the trend has officially shifted.


Well that's true enough. I have to confess it didn't even occur to me to try to get grain in camera by using high ISO. If it had crossed my mind, I would no doubt have rejected it as an idea. Why use an unpredictable and largely uncontrollable process when you have one that you can fully control?
10/31/2005 09:03:19 PM · #20
Originally posted by azoychka:

Was this challenge 'grain' or 'grunge'? Is it the same?

Grunge is DPC voter-friendly and can be used in any member challenge for higher score :)
10/31/2005 09:12:54 PM · #21
Originally posted by joezl:

Originally posted by Marjo:

post editing is now totally accepted ..... and the trend has officially shifted.


Well that's true enough. I have to confess it didn't even occur to me to try to get grain in camera by using high ISO. If it had crossed my mind, I would no doubt have rejected it as an idea. Why use an unpredictable and largely uncontrollable process when you have one that you can fully control?


I guess it's unpredictability and uncontrollable characteristics, which are hard to control, would make it a more interesting challenge. Maybe, not every subject would be so easy to 'grain' or 'grunge'?
11/02/2005 01:32:39 PM · #22
My comments on the ribbon shots. Prompted by this thread - Feel free to join in!

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1st 'Desolation'
Evocative image that really tells a story. This would make a great cover for a book, I'm thinking 'The Grapes of Wrath'. The composition and pose (looking off into the distance) is spot-on, the background is uncluttered, with just one run-down house (which we assume belongs to the farmer).

The mood is enhanced by the post-processing addition of grain. My only gripe is exactly that, the post-processing. The addition of image grain is one thing, but this has taken a step further to give that 'painted' grungy feel. Perhaps verging on digital art? The question is where to draw the line between digital art and photography.

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2nd 'Out of here'
Technically and compositionally it is imaginative, the silhouette works well, and it meets the challenge well (addition of grain adds to the overall feel of the shot). It also demonstrates how and where a centred composition can work!

However, it doesn't really say much to me or hold my attention for long, and the grain looks a little bit uniform/digital to my eye.

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3rd 'Rebel'
My personal favourite of the three winners. The pose and expression have been captured beautifully. The tattoo on his shoulder is a nice touch. And I love the overall contrasty feel. But somehow, in the back of my mind, I can't help thinking the original out-of-the-camera (colour?) shot would not look quite as moody. The grain really makes this image; meeting the challenge perfectly.

11/02/2005 01:36:00 PM · #23
Originally posted by jhonan:


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3rd 'Rebel'
My personal favourite of the three winners. The pose and expression have been captured beautifully. The tattoo on his shoulder is a nice touch. And I love the overall contrasty feel. But somehow, in the back of my mind, I can't help thinking the original out-of-the-camera (colour?) shot would not look quite as moody. The grain really makes this image; meeting the challenge perfectly.


I am not sure I understand this point. The "but somehow" part is throwing me, in that it implies a "criticism" and I don't know why it matters what the originalimage looked like...

Regardless, thanks for posting this and let's see where it goes...

Robt.
11/02/2005 01:42:43 PM · #24
Originally posted by bear_music:

Regardless, thanks for posting this and let's see where it goes...

Exactly. And I'm especially interested in hearing from the 157 voters who didn't give the winner a 10... :-)
11/02/2005 01:46:36 PM · #25
Originally posted by Marjo:

Did anyone use iso or exposure to obtain their image grain?


I attempted to use ISO 1600 as an example of grain, however it was a failure in regards to this challenge. As is evidenced by the many comments.

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