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08/26/2002 12:28:47 AM · #1 |
Did anyone else notice the difference between the voting for those with and without comments? And that the votes for those that commented averaged over 8!
Not sure what this says, but I found it interesting...
That or I'm overly bored and need a life... |
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08/26/2002 01:24:14 AM · #2 |
| Well, on my own photo, the difference between users with cameras (6.058) and without cameras (7.500) is incredible! I think in the voting on this challenge, there was a big gulf between people who vote based on ideas and those who vote based on technical aspects. A lot of the photos didn't really embody much of an idea, mood, emotion, character, etc. As I described in my comment, I really pushed my idea as far as it could go, but I was too busy during the week and over the weekend to push it technically, and somehow I got my highest score ever despite that. This place is crazy :) |
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08/26/2002 01:51:17 AM · #3 |
Lisae, I had the opposite happen. My photo had some technical problems that apparently had a huge impact on the score considering there was another pic almost exactly like it (same idea and pose) that did much better in the voting.
Your focus was a bit fuzzy, but the idea was just too cute! |
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08/26/2002 02:04:00 AM · #4 |
Indigo, I rated "Hana" a point higher than yours because I thought the pencils in that photo drew more focus than in yours. In your photo, the models back is well lit and very prominent, which I think makes it look more like a woman with pencils in her rather... rather than pencils in the hair of a woman. If that makes any sense.
Anyway.. I liked the idea in general and scored both pretty high. |
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08/26/2002 02:13:38 AM · #5 |
| I also gave Hana one point more than Utilitarian. I think everyone did, because the scores have about a one point difference, which translates to a huge difference in ranking. Strange the way statistics work! |
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08/26/2002 02:15:09 AM · #6 |
I guess I succeeded then since I was going more for a "nice picture that happened to have pencils in it" rather than a "pencil shot" ;oP
It's all in how you view the challenges.
I think that's where it hurt me to have another shot so similar. It seems that everyone rated it one point lower than the other one (which is really all you can do with this point system when you think one is better than the other). |
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08/26/2002 07:13:53 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by myqyl:
Did anyone else notice the difference between the voting for those with and without comments? And that the votes for those that commented averaged over 8!
Not sure what this says, but I found it interesting...
That or I'm overly bored and need a life...
Very interesting indeed. Makes me think that participating in the forum is an important part of our education here.
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08/26/2002 08:57:51 AM · #8 |
Actually, my boyfriend and I worked out by looking at a) the number of voters, b) the average score of my photo overall, and c) the averages for users with and without cameras that there are only about 15 people without cameras who voted!
The inclusion of these statistics is a little bit misleading. |
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08/26/2002 09:39:24 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by lisae:
Actually, my boyfriend and I worked out by looking at a) the number of voters, b) the average score of my photo overall, and c) the averages for users with and without cameras that there are only about 15 people without cameras who voted!
The inclusion of these statistics is a little bit misleading.
Didn't Arthur Anderson Accounting use this method? ;-)
Statistics can be arranged to mean anything.
How do I know? Marketing/communication major.....meaning we figure out the best lie with demographics (statistics) and tell you about it till your ears bleed!!!
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08/26/2002 10:19:20 AM · #10 |
my pics are always liked more by people with cameras rather than those without.. dunno why...
i thought your pic was cute and funny, lisae :). i think i gave it a 7 or 8. |
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08/26/2002 10:20:20 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by myqyl:
Did anyone else notice the difference between the voting for those with and without comments? And that the votes for those that commented averaged over 8!
Not sure what this says, but I found it interesting...
That or I'm overly bored and need a life...
My take on this is that people who comment generally only comment on the photos that they rate higher. I think most people find it difficult to comment "helpfully" on photos that they rate low. |
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08/26/2002 10:23:41 AM · #12 |
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08/26/2002 10:51:02 AM · #13 |
What I would find interesting (although probably impossible to actually get this information) would be the way the vote scores rise and fall as the week goes on.
Many people mention how many of their photos drop in score (from the inital start of voting on early monday) and then rise at the later part of the weeks voting.
Why?
I admit to seeing this happen myself. It's very interesting to watch.
Do people start off enthusiastic (before the first sets of scores are posted) but as they see their scores not meet their expectations they vote lower?
Are the pessimistic people voting Monday-Wednesday and the happy people voting Thursday -Sunday? hehe
An interesting phenomenom to see....
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08/26/2002 10:56:20 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by hokie:
What I would find interesting (although probably impossible to actually get this information) would be the way the vote scores rise and fall as the week goes on.
Many people mention how many of their photos drop in score (from the inital start of voting on early monday) and then rise at the later part of the weeks voting.
Why?
I admit to seeing this happen myself. It's very interesting to watch.
Do people start off enthusiastic (before the first sets of scores are posted) but as they see their scores not meet their expectations they vote lower?
Are the pessimistic people voting Monday-Wednesday and the happy people voting Thursday -Sunday? hehe
An interesting phenomenom to see....
I think several things create this phenomenon....
First, it could be that there are quite a few voters that rush through and don't give the photos more than a simple glance. Some photos require more absorption than that to get a higher score.
Secondly, I often bump scores as I digest a particular photo... it becomes better as it grows on me....
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08/26/2002 11:13:37 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
First, it could be that there are quite a few voters that rush through and don't give the photos more than a simple glance. Some photos require more absorption than that to get a higher score.
Secondly, I often bump scores as I digest a particular photo... it becomes better as it grows on me....
Yes, I do the same thing..score a range the first time through and then fine tune as the week goes on.
Also..another question sorta along these lines.
How good can you make a photo before you get diminishing returns?
Meaning this. Suppose you go out and make a very interesting photo to look at (conceptually and technically) but you want to tune this photo to the nth degree. Based on the idea that with over 150 photos per challenge nowadays does it pay to put this effort in for the challenge alone?
Based on my past experience, if you do it for any reason other than your own interests you never get the return back from the voters (comments or whatever) to justify the effort. This site moves too quickly from one challenge to the next and has too many participants to really get any long term feedback or discussion going on various approaches or variations and ideas.
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08/26/2002 11:27:30 AM · #16 |
i think you can learn a lot yourself, and get a lot of practice yourself, refining a photo.
just my 17 cents ... :p |
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08/26/2002 11:49:57 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
i think you can learn a lot yourself, and get a lot of practice yourself, refining a photo.
just my 17 cents ... :p
I agree.
Sometimes I have found that different angles (approaches) are equally interesting.
Do any of you find that you end up confusing yourself with too many choices? And do any of you folks find that you fall victim to the "Latest and Greatest" syndrome? Which means you like the last thing you took a photo of the most mainly because it's closer to your more immediate frame of mind but it may not be the best photo to you after you have time to sit on it?
* This message has been edited by the author on 8/26/2002 11:49:52 AM. |
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08/26/2002 12:24:28 PM · #18 |
Idea and technicality is equally important -- it's like a violinist who can express the emotion but plays the note out of tune, the feeling is OK but without the right notes, it'll sound like crap :)
I judge based on two. A photograph that is technically good but without feeling (as a lot of them are, just objects, nothing special) would get a low mark for me. A photograph that shows originality but poorly taken will also get a low mark for me. When both matches, they get a 10 :-)
Originally posted by lisae:
Well, on my own photo, the difference between users with cameras (6.058) and without cameras (7.500) is incredible! I think in the voting on this challenge, there was a big gulf between people who vote based on ideas and those who vote based on technical aspects. A lot of the photos didn't really embody much of an idea, mood, emotion, character, etc. As I described in my comment, I really pushed my idea as far as it could go, but I was too busy during the week and over the weekend to push it technically, and somehow I got my highest score ever despite that. This place is crazy :)
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