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03/24/2006 07:07:04 PM · #1 |
| I have seen a lot of websites showing before and after photos using photoshop.It is a drastic improvement from an ok to picture to an incredible picture.Is it the photographer or the software that makes the picture? I know people will say its a combination of both but when a picture can go from ok to incredible that is photoshop |
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03/24/2006 07:09:53 PM · #2 |
I agree with you, and I should take some Photoshop courses. ;)
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03/24/2006 07:11:51 PM · #3 |
No. PS does not make the photographer IMHO. You have to have a good photo for you to work on and improve and bring out highlights in PS. If you have a really bad shot, I don't care if you invented PS, you'll still not make it look great ;)
Cheers,
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03/24/2006 07:16:15 PM · #4 |
No... But PS is an important part of the process to make a great image. PS helps make a picture better but you need a good picture to start with. That is where the skill and creativity of the photographer will always be essential. What is done in PS is also a part of the creative process.
Message edited by author 2006-03-24 19:18:59.
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03/24/2006 07:40:42 PM · #5 |
here's a picture I shot, one of them is the original, the other I turned to B/W and handpainted in photoshop..
wich is the handpainted one left or right ?
//test.dansig.net/test.jpg
and I didn't use the colors from the original, all colors were selected straight from the RGB color pallette and then adjusted with hue/sat to get the desired color.
Message edited by karmat - please use links or thumbnails. |
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03/24/2006 07:46:14 PM · #6 |
| Photoshop is merely a tool that permits the photographer to develop his image. The photographer's vision is the net result. |
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03/24/2006 07:57:54 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by DanSig:
wich is the handpainted one left or right ?
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Hopefully the one on the left.
The eyes and makeup look disturbingly un-natural on the one on the right.
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03/24/2006 08:00:23 PM · #8 |
I'd say the one on the right is hand-painted, unless you're tricking us by shifting hues in the original...
R.
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03/24/2006 08:13:59 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by DanSig:
here's a picture I shot, one of them is the original, the other I turned to B/W and handpainted in photoshop..
Which is the handpainted one left or right ? |
If it ain't the one on the right then I'll eat my hat and that sucker is hard to swallow. I'd know, I've had to eat a few in my time!
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03/24/2006 08:17:25 PM · #10 |
I'd say the one on the right.
First the whites of the eyes are too white to be natural (imo) and it looks like there's some color leakage of the blue into the whites on the right eye.
Also the lipstick looks a bit odd in comparison to the left, the left looks more naturally applied, the right looks like the color was overlaid rather than blended into the person's lips like the lips on the left.
Finally, and this is just a personal point of taste.. the make up job doesn't look that fantastic to me.. could be that pink isn't my favorite but the eyeshadow looks a tad overdone, though the cheek blush looks pretty good.. whereas on the left any makeup work does look more naturally applied.
But who knows, maybe she went crazy with the make up to make the handpainted one look more natural ;)
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03/24/2006 08:23:58 PM · #11 |
If you have a good photo like Rikki said and you have reasonable skills then any decent programme should work. For example I used Digital Image Suite 10 on this photo which finished quite nicely!!!( I personally find it difficult to navigate around photoshop and it frustrates me).
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03/24/2006 08:25:25 PM · #12 |
I agree with Rikki and ElGordo, Photoshop is just the technological version of the darkroom of the traditional photographer, it's just a tool to help develop an image. You cant use an image that is plain and boring and turn it into a work of art.
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03/24/2006 08:32:54 PM · #13 |
I agree with all of the comments above - that you have to have a good photograph to start with. However, many of the winning pictures on this site almost fall more into what I call "digital imaging" rather than digital photography, as so much PS work has been done to them it's hard to tell what the original image looked like. From that perspective, PS takes photography into a whole new art form (IMO).
As noted by someone above, I too need to take more PS classes. :-) |
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03/28/2006 04:02:25 PM · #14 |
| Photography has always been about the process. Before photoshop, people used the darkroom to enhance their photos. It's the same principle. The "PHOTOGRAPHER" is the key, because only they will have that image in their head and will be able to go from an ok photo taken with the camera, process it through photoshop in their best interest and create an amazing photo. So...I strongly believe it's the photographer, with the tools available, that makes great photos. |
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03/28/2006 04:10:51 PM · #15 |
Anyone want to contest that Ansel Adam's work would have not been the same without his pioneering darkroom techniques?
Photoshop same concept, differnet technology.
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03/28/2006 04:17:18 PM · #16 |
| So what's the answer to that hand painting question? |
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03/28/2006 04:21:41 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by yanko:
So what's the answer to that hand painting question? |
the right- it's obvious. even went out of the lines in the hair! :0P |
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03/28/2006 04:51:26 PM · #18 |
This is an age-old question that I struggled with for quite some time. It was discouraging because it seemed like all you needed were some great photoshop skills and the rest fell into place. I've gone through stages thinking one way and then the other. Now I believe that you MUST have the photography skills as a base before you can approach getting better with photoshop. There is no denying photoshopping skills is a must to enhance an already good or just mediocre photo. And if you spend enough time on one picture and distort it enough then it does just become digital art and the picture was only used was a template. Where you should draw the line depends on the photographer (or photoshopper) with what they want to portray or who they are trying to sell and image to. Sometimes it can be overdone. That's my thoughts on the subject.
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03/28/2006 04:56:34 PM · #19 |
Photoshop makes the image. The differences between photographers lies their ability to look at the world that surounds them and decide which of the thousands of images that hit the back of their retina every minute would make a good image to photograph. Photoshop or a decent camera are just the tools that we use to show others what the we thought was worth noting in the world around us. The better a camera or photoshop skills you have available allows you to better convey the impact you got when you saw whatever it was that made you want to share an image.
Being limited to simple editing or using a camera of lower quality make gettng your point across more difficult. |
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03/28/2006 05:00:39 PM · #20 |
| Having digital skills is essential to the photographer nowadays, but it is no different then having good darkroom skills before, yes digital makes it a lot easier in my opinion, but you still need a good image to start with. |
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03/28/2006 05:02:50 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by iamkmaniam:
Having digital skills is essential to the photographer nowadays, but it is no different then having good darkroom skills before, yes digital makes it a lot easier in my opinion, but you still need a good image to start with. |
But ya just don't get that buzz that you get from sniffing all those chemicals for hours ;-)
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03/28/2006 05:05:54 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by DanSig:
here's a picture I shot, one of them is the original, the other I turned to B/W and handpainted in photoshop..
wich is the handpainted one left or right ?
//test.dansig.net/test.jpg
and I didn't use the colors from the original, all colors were selected straight from the RGB color pallette and then adjusted with hue/sat to get the desired color. |
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03/28/2006 05:36:17 PM · #23 |
| Photoshop doesn't make the photographer, but it can make the photograph. |
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03/28/2006 05:44:21 PM · #24 |
Digital image manipulation tools are just that: tools. Any tool can help a good photographer be a better photographer, but no tool can make a bad photographer good.
Switch to a music analogy. If you give an excellent musician a quality piano, it will enhance their sound, it will encourage them to practice more, it will open up some opportunities that may not have existed before. If you give me a quality piano (or any piano for that matter), you will not have a musician. |
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03/28/2006 06:03:41 PM · #25 |
| The spectalar photos ofAshes and Snow are made with film and no photoshop. |
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