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02/16/2003 08:36:11 PM · #26 |
Another point .. consider the Yellow challenge.
Somebody takes a stunningly good photo containing a red rose, then skillfully edits it into a yellow rose. The image still looks like a photo and so meets the wording of any rule, but does it meet the spirit? How many people would feel conned when they find out what's happened?
I'm not trying to fight any change, nor would I complain if the rules were changed. I think the windows & doors challenge went some way to proving that allowing editing won't turn dpc into a photoshop site. An open challenge with no editing restrictions is needed to test the water properly though. |
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02/16/2003 11:21:32 PM · #27 |
| I've participated in photography challenges that allow editing. The rule is that anything goes and the voters decide how much is too much. I think this should be a photography site instead of a digital art contest, but it's sort of like the border issue... let the voters decide. |
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02/17/2003 01:44:10 PM · #28 |
I don't believe that 'spot editing' always translates into digital art as stated above...
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02/17/2003 01:52:27 PM · #29 |
I spot edit my personal photos sometimes... just today I took a part of a boat out of the shot. It was ruining the photo.
They are different crops, but the same photo.
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after
I edited each one a bit differently, too, but anyway.. you get the idea. This does not make it digital art. Just gets a branch, a telephone pole, or in this case the front end of another boat, out of the frame that is otherwise ruining the shot.
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02/17/2003 03:21:24 PM · #30 |
Sorry, I came into this discussion late.
I have no comment on this tough, I like this rules in some way caus' it makes me think more of the photography itself (if this is written that way) - without these rules I would not care so much that the camera gets the picture exactly like I would other people to see it.
- I guess I had a comment :)
But what I wanted to say was: Zadore, I don't think you suck :) not at all, I was very surprised that your pictures are from a S30 ! - really I guess that makes you a very good in the work done when you come home.
I personally think that challanges on this website will be more about photography with rules like they are. |
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02/17/2003 03:55:50 PM · #31 |
I'd like to see more of these challenges though to see where it takes DPC. If it seems that spot editing isn't turning this site into Digital Art contests than change the rules. I don't know much about spot editing. I wouldn't mind a few more challenges where I could practice it some.
Message edited by author 2003-02-17 15:56:43. |
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02/17/2003 03:57:51 PM · #32 |
The theory behind 'spot editing' is to do touch up work.. not adding or removing significant elements from the photo..
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02/17/2003 04:05:05 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
The theory behind 'spot editing' is to do touch up work.. not adding or removing significant elements from the photo.. |
Thanks, I just don't want to see this site turn into worth1000, which btw I like. |
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02/17/2003 04:11:02 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
When I view Renoir paintings, I don't wonder what kind of brushes he used... |
As an art lover I would agree with this, but if I were an art student then the brushes he used would be of great importance to me. While this is a contest site, I've been using it more as an educational site. I've learned a lot by not being allowed to use "all the brushes". I've been forced to think more when the camera is in my hand.
Would I like to try out the other brushes (spot edit) now that I feel more comfortable with the the camera? Sure... But I like the simplicity found here. Allowing unrestrained editing would make a fundamental change to the site, and in my opinion, not for the better.
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02/17/2003 04:21:22 PM · #35 |
| Good point myqyl. Don't take this the wrong way I say this as a compliment John. You say you don't wonder what brushes Renoir used when you look at Renoir paintings. Well when I look at photos you have taken I think how'd he do that? Those are some great pictures. You have submitted How'd they do that's so in a sense you should know that is what this site is about. Learning, at least that is why I joined. That's why I don't mind challenge with no editing rules from time to time. |
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02/17/2003 04:24:59 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by myqyl:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
When I view Renoir paintings, I don't wonder what kind of brushes he used... |
As an art lover I would agree with this, but if I were an art student then the brushes he used would be of great importance to me... |
I think about stuff like that even not as an art student. How did they get those colors/mix inks. I know there's at least one painter (Vermeer?) whose formulas died with him, and that particular look has never been duplicated.
When I look at an Adams photo, I DO think about how/why he got it to look that way. I think it deepens rather than lessens my appreciation of the artistic value. |
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02/17/2003 04:27:23 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by jimmyn4:
Good point myqyl. Don't take this the wrong way I say this as a compliment John. You say you don't wonder what brushes Renoir used when you look at Renoir paintings. Well when I look at photos you have taken I think how'd he do that? Those are some great pictures. You have submitted How'd they do that's so in a sense you should know that is what this site is about. Learning, at least that is why I joined. That's why I don't mind challenge with no editing rules from time to time. |
The 'how'd they do that' should not really be part of the determining factor of the score you give the photo though... that was the original point of that comment... You either like it or you don't, regardless of how it was achieved... right?
I have a hard time believing that people take the technical challenge of certian photos into consideration when they give a score. I know I don't because it doesn't really matter to me.
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02/17/2003 04:36:57 PM · #38 |
| I agree it isn't a basis for how I vote either. |
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02/17/2003 05:05:57 PM · #39 |
I never understood why you can't go nuts with photoshop with this site either. I mean it is the DIGITAL photography challenge after all, right? I do understand why, and it's a good idea to train your self to do good photography with out the safety net of PS. But once in a while throw a bone. Infact the STOCK photography challenge should of included ANYTHING goes. Have you ever looked through Stock Photography?
Hell, there should be one challeng that should be Special Effects only. That would be interseting eh? |
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02/17/2003 05:28:52 PM · #40 |
| I think one of the problems here is that "spot-editing" can cover everything from removing a dust spot to moving a pyramid for a better composition. Couldn't the rules be updated to cover very specific situations? For example, my 990 is starting to show a green pixel just below the center of the frame. How about allowing "hot" pixels to be fixed when caused by old or defective equipment. There may be other edits that fit into this category of nonintrusive repairs. |
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02/17/2003 07:01:49 PM · #41 |
Here's a thought. Maybe we should have a challenge where we all download one image. The same image. Then we use spot edits, filters, the whole ball of wax, to "fix" the problems. It might be an interesting excersise.
Spot editting doesn't bother me and I'd like to learn how to do it, but only if the 'spirit' of this site would continue to be about the camera and not about the editor.
I doubt I'm being very clear here since I'm typing this on breaks at work. Oh, and I have no spell check on this computer...
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02/17/2003 07:09:06 PM · #42 |
I'd have to vote to allow "spot editing" as well. I've been getting a few odd little anomolies in some of my shots that include a great deal of sky, etc. I get some little grey splotches that are popping up here and there. I'm guessing that some snow got on the CCD while I was changing lenses or something.
I would have liked to have submitted this shot for the yellow competition, but there were too many weird blotches in the sky (I PS'd them out in the PhotoSIG version).
Seems like, so long as we're just touching up blemishes, it would be cool to have this as an available option.
PS -- This brings me to the question... how do I clean the camera? Since these appear in all shots regardless of the lens, it has to be the camera itself. Any advice will be appreciated -- alan@thefreeds.com
PSS -- Here's an example of what I'm talking about. This is the very quickly unedited version of the shot I referred to above:
Message edited by author 2003-02-17 19:15:20. |
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