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 01/30/2006 03:28:28 PM · #1
Ive messed around with my camera and i just dont see a need for anything over 200 my camera is a P&S so maybe thats why? It looks so poor i dont see why its needed.

Can some one post a link or post some examples of images with high ISO? and list the other settings, like shutter speed and Fstop
 01/30/2006 03:34:07 PM · #2
Oh man, I feel your pain. My A95 is useless at anything over 100. That was one of my beefs with it, & one of the many reasons I let bearmusic goad me into getting a dSLR.
 01/30/2006 03:37:44 PM · #3
//cpix.co.nz/gallery.php?dir=erugby&gal=050611&img=8

ISO 1600, F/2.8, 1/500th

With current technology one of the large differences between P&S digicams and dSLR's is the level of noise at any ISO.. ISO200 is not 'High ISO' as you suggest. The Nikon D70 (And other Nikon dSLR's I assume) have their lowest setting at ISO200..

Doing the winter sports last year I regularly used ISO1600 at F/2.8 to get fast enough shutter speeds to stop the motion, and occasionally went up to ISO3200.

On the 20D ISO1600 is very usable for print media and web work, and ISO3200 looks OK at a push.

Obviously there is some noise, but it's nothing like the noise I used to see with ASA1600 film pushed one stop in the good 'ol days. :-)

Cheers, Me.
 01/30/2006 03:38:22 PM · #4


Canon 10D ISO 3200, 1/60, f5.6
 01/30/2006 03:38:23 PM · #5
go to dpreview and look at camera reviews, they have ISO tests. The difference between DSLR, and point and shoots is huge.
 01/30/2006 04:15:23 PM · #6
ISO3200

No noise reduction of any kind.

bazz.



Message edited by author 2006-01-30 16:15:43.
 01/30/2006 04:19:54 PM · #7
ISO 1600, very little if any noise reduction.

01/30/2006 04:20:53 PM · #8
1600 ISO, f/5.6, 1/2000s


01/30/2006 04:31:53 PM · #9
Canon EOS 300D at ISO 1600 (pushed almost a stop)
You just don't shoot a concert without decent high-ISO performance.


//koti.mbnet.fi/uuslehto/img/misc/CRW_2261f.jpg <-- Full shot

Message edited by author 2006-01-30 16:32:26.
 01/30/2006 04:37:29 PM · #10
1600 ISO at 1/1600 sec. The only way my camera could have captured this. Nothing done other than cropping.

01/30/2006 04:45:28 PM · #11
i will always love this photo

01/30/2006 04:47:54 PM · #12
All shots in the montage are shot iso 1600...right out the camera, no noise reduction and probably pushed a stop in one or two.

01/30/2006 05:03:44 PM · #13
1/200s, f/1.8 at 50.0mm, iso3200, handheld in the shower

01/30/2006 05:28:02 PM · #14
My highest rated photo was at ISO 1600.

01/30/2006 05:29:30 PM · #15

Without high ISO these shots would not have been possible:

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This is a 20D hand-held at night with built-in flash:

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This is a 20D hand-held at night without flash set to 3200.
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Sure it's not perfect, but I wasn't even trying, and that's pretty spectacular for no flash.
 01/30/2006 06:00:54 PM · #16


There you go Jason

Message edited by author 2006-01-30 18:02:19.
 01/30/2006 06:31:44 PM · #17
Originally posted by sir_bazz:
ISO3200

No noise reduction of any kind.

bazz.

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that's a nice pic Bazz and impressive lack of noise. i have an *ist DL and the same lens you used for that shot, so you've inspired me to go play with high iso a little more.

Q
 01/30/2006 07:38:40 PM · #18
Is it the CCD or the hardware that controls the higher ISO? I mean does it take a better quality CCD or somthing to use a higher ISO and still have good quality with litle noise?

I cant believe there is 1600 and 3200 ISO that seems crazy. I mean if i used 400 ISO on my camera it looks like a tv station that has bad reception its so grainy and worthless.

What is the highest ISO available now? i mean is there like a technology race to get to the highest ISO or is there limits? I guess i dont fully understand it all yet.

Message edited by author 2006-01-30 19:41:21.
 01/30/2006 07:43:48 PM · #19
Originally posted by BowerR64:

What is the highest ISO available now? i mean is there like a technology race to get to the highest ISO or is there limits? I guess i dont fully understand it all yet.


Some cameras go to ISO 6400 and some can be forced as high as 12800 i.e
//forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=16908696
//www.pbase.com/image/53468642
 01/30/2006 07:44:44 PM · #20
P & S I think the highest is either 400 or 800. On DSLRs the highest is 3200.

The sensor on a P & S is smaller than a DSLR and the more megapixels that get squeezed onto a small sensor the more noise at higher ISO. Generally speaking that is.
 01/30/2006 07:53:37 PM · #21
Originally posted by Qiki:
Originally posted by sir_bazz:
ISO3200

No noise reduction of any kind.

bazz.

text

that's a nice pic Bazz and impressive lack of noise. i have an *ist DL and the same lens you used for that shot, so you've inspired me to go play with high iso a little more.

Q


This pic is not totally void of noise it is there in the shadow areas. Look under her chin. You most likely will not see noise in bright highlights or near blacks.
 01/30/2006 08:01:57 PM · #22
ISO 1600

ISO 3200
 01/30/2006 08:05:25 PM · #23
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
P & S I think the highest is either 400 or 800. On DSLRs the highest is 3200.

The sensor on a P & S is smaller than a DSLR and the more megapixels that get squeezed onto a small sensor the more noise at higher ISO. Generally speaking that is.


It's all about the money.

Sony and Nikon have worked on the latest group of high pixel packed sensors and their noise levels for the amount of pixels per micron of space is mindboggling. Nose levels as low as what CMOS snesors with twice the size just a year or two ago.

Canon has the D20 and it has an impressive amount of pixels per micron of sensor space and very low noise as well.

There is only a finite amount of real estate under those 35mm lenses and their corresponding imaging areas. All DSLR's will gravitate to the same amount of pixels per micron in a few years and Noise levels will be comparable.

Also, the electronics/compression software have a major effect on noise at high iso. Look at the Canon 5D and the Nikon D200. Without special attention to the electronics both cameras have had instance of banding at High Iso. Even the Canon 1D had the old double sided banding a few years ago.

But look at the Canon 1Ds Mark II and the Nikon D2x! That tech is going to be in all cameras soon and its pretty freaking sweet.

01/30/2006 09:20:53 PM · #24
Originally posted by Qiki:
that's a nice pic Bazz and impressive lack of noise. i have an *ist DL and the same lens you used for that shot, so you've inspired me to go play with high iso a little more.

Q

I printed the color version for my wife as an 8x10 and it looks even cleaner.
Originally posted by Olyuzi:

This pic is not totally void of noise it is there in the shadow areas. Look under her chin. You most likely will not see noise in bright highlights or near blacks.

I agree and I think it will still be a number of years before we see noise free ISO3200 but it is still useable as of now.
I could've cleaned it up a bit with NI but it was an outake for the "Noise" challenge. I actually wanted a lot more noise and my score for the challenge says the voters did too :) Now it just serves to represent an ISO3200 shot without noise reduction.

cheers,
bazz.

Message edited by author 2006-01-30 21:21:23.
 01/30/2006 10:06:20 PM · #25
I too never really saw the need to shoot with high ISO. That is until I started working at the school newspaper. Now I find myself using it all the time. I'm usually stuck indoors in some horrible lighting condition and flash often looks horrible, so high ISO is there to save the day. In sports especially I often wish I had 3200. With point and shoots its not really an issue because of quality but with some experiene with a d-slr, I'm sure you'd be using it sometime. Here's a couple of shots at 1600.



Message edited by author 2006-01-30 22:07:05.
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