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01/26/2006 05:12:11 AM · #51 |
removed to support sc
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01/26/2006 05:24:48 AM · #52 |
I don't believe for an instant that the SC would have made this allegation unless they had evidence to support it. I also very much doubt they would have done this lightly.
I do not know if in this instance "Jordon" was a real or ficticious character. The comment about how his mother and father and daughters feel as his death has been questioned ..... they would only feel something about what has happened here if someone has pointed it out to them, which would be a rather nasty thing for anyone to do (as I doubt they are members here).
Do people make up ficticious deaths to get attention .... very sadly yes, and those people do need help as it is a cry for help. No idea if this has happened here or not.
We are expecting a baby and my other half chats away on a pregnancy forum. In recent months there has been this one woman who had a hell of an awful time ....
Has twins
Husband then dies
Various problems with the pregnancy
One twin dies
Scan shows live twin holding dead twins hand
Etc etc etc and everytime she had a drama it was when someone else had had a drama, and she needed to shout louder so people looked at her.
Split the community there, with people believing her, people doubting her ... and the doubters beating themselves up as they felt guilty for doubting her in case she was for real.
The surviving twin was "born" a couple of weeks ago. Photos were posted. People then found EXACTLY the same photos which had been posted 6 years previously of a healthy little boy, nothing to do with a dead dad or dead twin.
So, do people make these things up .... sadly yes. And I maintain ... the SC are not out to cause trouble, quite the opposite in fact, and I have no doubt they did not speak out without evidence .... and I support their right to remain silent on that. What purpose would they have in doing this maliciously????
Message edited by author 2006-01-26 05:27:01.
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01/26/2006 05:46:26 AM · #53 |
i must clear up the fact that i was not indicating that SC did anything wrong here, i was more disgusted with the way some of the people of DPC carryed on over it.
SC locked the thread with a brief explaination, to me that is telling me something happened and is now over and is not any of my business....
i agree totally with Natator, some people need help, i for one could not live with myself if i carryed on like some people did here and found out the person in question did something terrible to them selves over accusations i made. We should 've been trying to 'help' her not kick her while she is down, i thought the community here had a lot more heart than that...
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01/26/2006 08:11:53 AM · #54 |
I was one who sympathised with Crystal over the events and later PMd Frisca to ask that we be informed as to why the SC had indicated this was a hoax. I also PMd Crystal, not accusingly but offering support whatever the real situation. I have had a reply from Crystal which was basically the same as her post here but no reply from Frisca.
Whatever the situation I knew people on the site would not be content with the minimal info given out. Certainly from the information unearthed since, there seems to be some definite anomalies in Crystal's story but I agree that in either case this is a person who needs help not condemnation. She has not asked me for money or anything bar sympathy and that I can give out without problem.
I think the SC were wrong in their assumption that the least said the better - if they locked the thread they were making a statement and should have qualified it. Usually I am 100% behind them but not on this occasion, I'm afraid.
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01/26/2006 08:18:32 AM · #55 |
the thread was locked because we have strong evidence that the information it contained is not true. some of that evidence has already been discussed here. the rest is not that difficult to find.
in light of the situation, we felt a warning was important before anyone was harmed by the situation. the public announcement did not mention specific details, as that would not be fully appropriate. however, it was done for the good of the site.
i'm sure that frisca was innundated with requests for more information that would, again, have not been appropriate. although she was the one who posted the note, the actions taken were a joint decision.
i agree that this could be construed as a cry for help, but i do not believe that this is the proper venue for that. |
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01/26/2006 08:40:57 AM · #56 |
I have NO background in legal matters, and this makes me wonder about what it takes to be accused of slander? Perhaps there are legal concerns for being cautious in what is disclosed? More likely, it's just a matter of prudence and taking the high road by doing what needed to be done without making matters worse with "mudslinging". JMO.
In any event, I support the action taken by SC in this matter.
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01/26/2006 08:41:55 AM · #57 |
| I am not one to back SC but I did however recieve a reply from frisca in regards to this and I am satisfied by her reply that it was done in regards for members of this site. |
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01/26/2006 08:42:45 AM · #58 |
Originally posted by gibun:
SC, you have my vote, my respect and my support. Thanks for also protecting us even in the light of perhaps catching some flack yourself.
And thank you for maintain a high degree of selfrespect and even respect for those who obviously are in the wrong. The lesson to all of us is never to sink that low... you may get some mud on yourself should you go down to a level most of can only imagine or get nightmares about. |
hear hear
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01/26/2006 08:50:05 AM · #59 |
I usually have a reliable gut feeling about people, and when the thread in question was posted it I immediately thought it was a lie. There was no point to me in going any further though, I just kept out of it. I do think that the person we're talking about here does need a lot of help, I don't believe there's anything malicious about what she's doing. It's a cry for help.
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01/26/2006 09:09:50 AM · #60 |
I think the site council handled this very well. Sure, we'd all like to know what exactly the stipulations were for locking the thread, but they have their reasons and sometimes things are better left unsaid. Logically speaking, why would they say that her statements were false and lock the very emotional thread if they were only going on assumptions and not solid proof? That would be inhumane to pour salt on somebody's wounds if everything were true.
I think S/C needs a little more credit here. They are not mean and cruel people lurking in the shadows out to get people when they are in traumatic times. They are here to help the members of this site, and do what's best for everybody's well-being. There are very thoughtful and generous people on this site who have really helped out other people who were in times of need, and it's nice that the s/c caught whatever it was before these nice people got taken. I don't know what transpired behind the scenes, but they had their reasons for doing what they did. |
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01/26/2006 09:24:02 AM · #61 |
I cannot believe what I am reading...Why would She say this stuff if it was not true...What would she gain from it?
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01/26/2006 09:25:44 AM · #62 |
Originally posted by Telehubbie:
I think the site council handled this very well. Sure, we'd all like to know what exactly the stipulations were for locking the thread, but they have their reasons and sometimes things are better left unsaid. Logically speaking, why would they say that her statements were false and lock the very emotional thread if they were only going on assumptions and not solid proof? That would be inhumane to pour salt on somebody's wounds if everything were true.
I think S/C needs a little more credit here. They are not mean and cruel people lurking in the shadows out to get people when they are in traumatic times. They are here to help the members of this site, and do what's best for everybody's well-being. There are very thoughtful and generous people on this site who have really helped out other people who were in times of need, and it's nice that the s/c caught whatever it was before these nice people got taken. I don't know what transpired behind the scenes, but they had their reasons for doing what they did. |
I agree here...... SC did what they felt was best for the members of the site. They are here to do a job and they just that. How can we be mad or upset that they are watching out for us? They know that there are some VERY kind people on this site.... as I said before - people who would give the shirts off their backs. I am sure that SC didn't want anyone to get too involved or caught up in this.
SC - thank you for doing your job. As said before, I am behind you 100%
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01/26/2006 09:30:03 AM · #63 |
Originally posted by melking:
I cannot believe what I am reading...Why would She say this stuff if it was not true...What would she gain from it? |
revenge ?
attention ?
drama ? |
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01/26/2006 09:33:34 AM · #64 |
OK, I'll admit it. I was curious, so I did the research. I've read through all of the relevant posts on DPC (under both usernames) and the Blog at myspace.....
So, Crystal, I will not speak 'about' you as others have in this thread, instead I wish to speak to you. There are several rather blaring inconsistencies among your posts. At different times you mention a roommate, a fiance, boyfriend(s), 2 children, 3 children, a daughter, then no daughter, homelessness and so much more. Honestly, I can think of reasons for some of these inconsistencies, but not all of them, so I am asking for your explanation.
I can't help but notice you haven't had a word to say during this entire thread after the original post. If what you said in the locked thread is completely true then why have you not defended yourself. From my point of view, your silence screams guilty. I hope I am wrong and simply misinformed. Please give me the information I am missing if I have wrongly judged you.
Cindi
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01/26/2006 09:37:21 AM · #65 |
Wow! Drama drama drama.
This entire post saddens me deeply. I support SC 100% on this one and realize they would not question a subject like this without good cause. It's just very sad that someone would prey on the kindness of this community for whatever reason. I genuinely hope this does not affect the way we view other cries for support by other members. As an international community, various members are bound to go through difficult times from time to time. IMHO I think it is important to remember that 99.9% of the time, these requests are genuine and the fact that we have such a caring community is one of the reasons I frequent this site. Let's not let this one bad apple taint our attitude toward our fellow members and users. Keep up the good work SC.
My $0.02 USD
Message edited by author 2006-01-26 09:38:38. |
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01/26/2006 10:40:14 AM · #66 |
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01/26/2006 10:51:12 AM · #67 |
Originally posted by melking:
Poor Girl |
Either way, I agree. |
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01/26/2006 11:11:15 AM · #68 |
This is my first post to this thread, but just wanted to state a factâ€Â¦but this fact may not be the reason why she did it. I had a teacher in school, she was our theater teacher, and she always had fantastical stories. One that she helped Arnold Schwarzenegger with his strong accent and to better speak English. Another is that she was in a big movie but we could never find said movie in and video store or on the internet. And that she said her husband had diedâ€Â¦but she has a daughter that went to the same high school as us. One day we asked the girl what she was doing for the weekend and she said she was going over to her dad’s houseâ€Â¦we did not know what was going on. Later the teacher left us with a story that she had received a new job in administrationâ€Â¦we again believed her. One of the students began asking questions and soon was found in the principals office and was told the truthâ€Â¦our beloved teacher that we all had fell in love with had turned out to be a chronic liar, which is a disease as far as I know. She didn’t get a new job, she was firedâ€Â¦and the dad was alive they just were divorced. People like this can’t help themselves and lying becomes like regular speech to them. I don’t feel mad even though she had stated to me and brought my parents into the school and told us that I had the best chance to make it as an actor, that I was one of the best she had ever seen and that she was going to get me connected with close friends in New Yorkâ€Â¦nothing every happened, but I am not mad. She told us countless other stories that I will not begin to list. It is very sad and I hope she got help and is trying to combat this illness she has. I say all this to warn others that people like this have very little control over it and if the said person in this thread has this problem I feel very sad for herâ€Â¦but I am not accusing her of having it. Just throwing that in and maybe will make some of you think a bit more about something different.
Nothing I wrote was meant to be harsh or hurt feelings
Clint
edit for spelling
Message edited by author 2006-01-26 11:15:13.
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01/26/2006 11:12:45 AM · #69 |
If you feel too bad for her go give her a 10... Vote here...
LOL, this one needs some real help. Fyi, if you vote you find that she checked her score at 7pm on the 25th. Pretty cool for someone that lost a fiancee...
Edit Spelling...
Message edited by author 2006-01-26 11:17:06. |
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01/26/2006 11:25:25 AM · #70 |
Originally posted by redmondson01:
If you feel too bad for her go give her a 10... Vote here...
LOL, this one needs some real help. Fyi, if you vote you find that she checked her score at 7pm on the 25th. Pretty cool for someone that lost a fiancee...
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Holy Crap, now that's some detective work!
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01/26/2006 11:28:34 AM · #71 |
Originally posted by Geocide:
Originally posted by redmondson01:
If you feel too bad for her go give her a 10... Vote here...
LOL, this one needs some real help. Fyi, if you vote you find that she checked her score at 7pm on the 25th. Pretty cool for someone that lost a fiancee...
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Holy Crap, now that's some detective work! |
Not really it is linked from her myspace site... thanks though. |
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01/26/2006 11:35:06 AM · #72 |
I just want to point out that the community here DID let it go when the thread was locked. Sure some people may have done some of their own investigating and sent PMs to each other but it was all done privately. No one opened a thread and said "hey every one, did you see the locked thread, Crystal is a liar!" We were dealing with this privately - it wasn't until Crystal herself - the one that tried to make fools of us rubbed salt in OUR wounds that people started speaking up in the public forum SHE started.
I agree with the S/C's stance to remain private in this matter but I also agree with the communities right to say "enough is enough" when the person in question throws the situation back in our face again.
This thread is an attack on the site counsel plain and simple. Though they did it discretely - they still called her out and told everyone her story wasn't true so be cautious. A week later Crystal comes on here and calls the Site Counsel out and sure enough many people fall for it hook line and sinker and start questioning the S/C's judgment and morals. This is ALL the S/C needed now in the face of all the other "the S/C is evil threads" that have been happening. This prompted many of the people here to launch their own investigations - to back the S/C up - and share with everyone what they found. For that many have called them heartless, but I for one would like to thank the people who investigated a bit more. I like the S/C and believe they are doing as good a job as any diverse group of people possibly can. I don't like the threads and the accusations that they are corrupt all the time, personally I think that's ridiculous.
So we may be dealing with a mentally unstable person, we maybe dealing with someone who is unscrupulous, I don't have any idea and honestly at this point I don't really care as long as she deals with it on her own or privately and leave the rest of us out of it - we don't want to be involved in the drama any longer.
Edited for spelling.
Message edited by author 2006-01-26 13:08:24. |
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01/26/2006 11:37:52 AM · #73 |
| <------ applauds Megatherian's post |
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01/26/2006 11:45:06 AM · #74 |
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01/26/2006 11:49:27 AM · #75 |
Well spoken, Megatherian. That's a thought I was nibbling at also, but I didn't get around to posting it up as I've been working since dawn editing a book. I agree with you 100% — enough said :-)
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