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01/13/2003 07:43:59 PM · #26 |
I'm now using Mozilla 1.2.1 for a few days with few problems. I aslo9 use AOL 6/PC.
I see the check boxes, but haven't checked for retention after entering data.
Is there ANY WAY to add a PM link right there under the person's name so we don't ALWAYS have to go through their profile page? It would make responding to comments SO MUCH easier! Or a "Respond To Message" link in the footer where the "Helpful" link resides? |
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01/13/2003 07:49:58 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by hbunch7187:
I'm using AOL 8.0, and same for me. Doesn't stay checked. |
Ok, I got it to work. After I check all the comments, I hit CTRL and Refresh. Then they stay checked.
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01/14/2003 01:08:27 AM · #28 |
lets say I get a comment that says "Excellent". Should I check the icon box or should I only check the ones that leave a critique? Hmmmm...not sure what to do. because the comment did make me feel good.
I want to click them all!!! I am afraid I will go clicker happy. lol
How is everyone else going to use this new idea? |
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01/14/2003 02:17:48 AM · #29 |
I personally am going to tick boxes which suggest how to improve it. While I like the "flattery" comments, they're not all that useful :)
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01/14/2003 08:44:43 AM · #30 |
I agree with Konador. That's the same viewpoint that I took with regards to selecting helpful comments.
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01/14/2003 08:56:46 AM · #31 |
Well, I mark the flattery comments, because knowing that someone else enjoyed the photo, other than myself is helpful, not just flattering. When someone leaves a "nice colors" comment with no commentary about their opinion of the general image, it leaves me thinking that they may have disliked the photo. JMHO
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01/14/2003 09:03:28 AM · #32 |
I just thought that marking 'flattery' comments would end up producing a comment culture approaching that on photosig, which I thought we were trying to avoid.
Each to their own I guess.
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01/14/2003 09:12:52 AM · #33 |
A simple flattery comment tells me nothing about why they liked the image. To me "Nice colours" is more useful than "Great shot" (if only just).
Tell me what you like, tell me what you don't like, tell me how you would improve the shot. That'll earn you a little teacher icon.
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01/14/2003 09:23:47 AM · #34 |
i think this is the same thing as the whole voting discussions ... everyone will have a different interpretation of "helpful". we could just agree to disagree and enjoy the variety on this website ...
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01/14/2003 09:30:20 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by franziska lang:
i think this is the same thing as the whole voting discussions ... everyone will have a different interpretation of "helpful". we could just agree to disagree and enjoy the variety on this website ... |
Indeed :)
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01/14/2003 10:06:35 AM · #36 |
I am enjoying the 'comment ratings" very much. Even though I always try to give helpful comments, it did make me think... 'wow...points' and I went on a critique rampage last night. I'm actually almost all the way through the humor challenge. While I'll always try to make helpful comments, it kind of adds a competitive, fun, twist.
And it's nice to see that they are appreciated.
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01/14/2003 10:22:35 AM · #37 |
I think it could defnintely inspire more useful comments... i think that is the intent behind the idea :)
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01/14/2003 11:39:44 AM · #38 |
I think the intent of inspiring more comments, as John pointed out is a great concept, and that may be the end result. There is already confusion and different opinions on what should be deemed a helpful comment so the input will be sorted. I don't see the advantage to the whole thing as it has been developed, and don't get me wrong I appreciate all of the engineering that went into adding this novelty. It is going to make available a talley of comments that photographers feel either helped or flattered them and anyone looking at it won't know the difference.
It may have been better if a running total for each commentor was kept, and the photographer had the option to mark it either helpful or not helpful.
There are times when you can't even buy a comment on a picture you really would like some help with and at the other end of the scale you get a majority of comments that are not technically helpful. I marked some of them last night but I think I might just skip this feature from now on unless the comment is truely helpful, which I don't think every one will use much discression in marking them helpful.
Have fun and keep shootin.
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01/14/2003 11:44:01 AM · #39 |
Now that is a thought!!! If everyone was to click all the icons then people will start to think that all they have to write for a comment is Nice shot or good one. I think you have a point here. Thanks.
Originally posted by JamieWillmott:
I just thought that marking 'flattery' comments would end up producing a comment culture approaching that on photosig, which I thought we were trying to avoid.
Each to their own I guess. |
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01/14/2003 12:19:04 PM · #40 |
I just noticed something that looks bad for commentors with this porcess. When I looked at my profile page it now shows that I have made 2000+ comments and only 53 of them were helpful. I know it is early but what if the photographers don't go back or have quit DPC and they don't mark helpful comments. Someone goes and looks to see what kind of guy I am and sees that I do a lot of commenting but it must be bad due to a low number of helpful comments being marked. Not a happy situation.
Autool |
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01/14/2003 12:19:32 PM · #41 |
| If the comment is too generic like "nice shot" then I don't find it helpful. However, if someone really likes the photo and points out what they specifically like then I do think they deserve a check for taking the time. You can't always come up with suggestions to improve a shot - especially when it's one of your 10s. I definitely wouldn't want to ONLY hear from those who see problems with my photo. It's nice to have that balanced with people who really like it. That is a form of encouragement and is helpful. |
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01/14/2003 12:21:57 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by autool:
I just noticed something that looks bad for commentors with this porcess. When I looked at my profile page it now shows that I have made 2000+ comments and only 53 of them were helpful. I know it is early but what if the photographers don't go back or have quit DPC and they don't mark helpful comments. Someone goes and looks to see what kind of guy I am and sees that I do a lot of commenting but it must be bad due to a low number of helpful comments being marked. Not a happy situation.
Autool |
There's absolutely nothing that can be done about this, other than us asking everyone to go back and rate their comments. It's just like view counters... all images posted to the site before Dec 3rd will have significantly lower view counters. I definitely think it's still early. Just one more reason for you to go back and thank the people who've commented for you.
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01/14/2003 01:16:43 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by drewmedia:
There's absolutely nothing that can be done about this, other than us asking everyone to go back and rate their comments. It's just like view counters... all images posted to the site before Dec 3rd will have significantly lower view counters. I definitely think it's still early. Just one more reason for you to go back and thank the people who've commented for you.
Drew |
Drew,
I agree, but I guess I am a skeptic so I will wait to see what the rest do and then jump in whichever boat is floating.
Autool |
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01/14/2003 01:19:39 PM · #44 |
I'm about 2/3 of the way through rating all my comments... it's taking a while to finish up..
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01/14/2003 01:23:36 PM · #45 |
I have just finished. I don't have as many comments as you. :)
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01/14/2003 01:26:53 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by autool:
Drew,
I agree, but I guess I am a skeptic so I will wait to see what the rest do and then jump in whichever boat is floating.
Autool |
So you're saying you're not going to rate your comments as helpful until other people do it for you?? |
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01/14/2003 02:00:33 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by drewmedia:
Originally posted by autool:
Drew,
I agree, but I guess I am a skeptic so I will wait to see what the rest do and then jump in whichever boat is floating.
Autool |
So you're saying you're not going to rate your comments as helpful until other people do it for you?? |
No, I just want to see what the trend is. I feel that there is too much latitude (for a lack of a better right word) in what is helpful. The majority of comments are helpful in either the "technical" or "makes me feel good" sence, so I don't see what we are accomplishing. By marking all positive comments without making some sort of indication of which type of helpful they were. Is that being too screwed up?
Autool |
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01/14/2003 02:14:50 PM · #48 |
I asked myself "Could I apply this comment to help better my photography?"
Feel good comments are nice. But like many people have said before, aren't really going to help you 'get better'.
Do your own thing. If we were all the same, imagine how boring life would be.
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01/14/2003 03:37:51 PM · #49 |
I thought of it this way. What if people see that what they are commenting doesn't get a mark. Do you think they will even bother commenting then. I know that if I make some comments to try to help a person and see they didn't give me a mark then I would be less likely to comment on photos. In fear of, do they want to here it my way or there way. Hmmm...
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01/14/2003 04:26:58 PM · #50 |
Drew,
I'm not really a DPC player, but just a suggestion on how this could potentially be abused:
As I'm looking around at ended challenges and what people are clicking off as "helpful comments," for the most part 90% of those i looked at that have checkmarks are just compliments that don't really say anything at all. (i.e. "Wow GREAT image!" got checked off as a helpful comment).
If I understand correctly, the system is designed to reward those who offer something constructive to the photographer, not to reward compliments without serious meaning.
Anyhow, my suggestion (and I understand this won't work for past comments) is to have the commenters click a check box if their comment is considered constructive/helpful by them when first posting their comments.
If the photographer agrees and checks it off, it *then* helps them and adds a rating. If the photographer disagrees it by not checking it off it harms the rating (maybe have a stat of how many overall constructive comments were found helpful vs. how many are still blank in deciding admission to the Critique Club).
And if the commenter doesn't indicate that his/her comment is constructive by leaving the comment checkbox blank, then their stat isn't affected at all, and the photographer doesn't have the option of declaring the comment "helpful."
Anyhow, it's just a thought as I was thinking of something similar for Worth1000 and ran into that dilemma when mulling it over. Keep up the great work, as always.
Message edited by author 2003-01-14 16:28:32. |
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