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Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

02/05/2003 09:38:55 PM · #1

Originally posted by jeremycole:

Drew:

Perhaps the solution to this browser problem would be to actually add a submit/save button to the form with the checkboxes? I found it awkward to not have a submit button for a form, and I assume you're using javascript to do the form submission, which is bound to cause some problems...

I started with that, but it quickly got very annoying. It will be just as easy for people to forget to submit, since in many cases the submit button wouldn't be visible at the same time as the checkboxes. Moreover, if you don't have javascript on, you can't even navigate the site, as the menu uses it... it was a sacrafice we were willing to make in order to help everyone navigate the thousands and thousands of pages on the site.

Drew

jeremycole

Canon PowerShot S230

02/05/2003 07:44:31 PM · #2

bil99

Nikon D40X

01/19/2003 04:19:30 PM · #3

Originally posted by drewmedia:

I wish I could say that I did that, but I didn't. We have tested the system with IE6, NS7, and Mozilla 1.1 and 1.2.1 ... all of those worked for us. bil99, can you maybe give it another shot?

Drew

Drew good news, it's now wokring here :) Thanks

HBunch

HP PhotoSmart 315

01/16/2003 01:45:28 AM · #4

Originally posted by ambaker:

Hopefully we aren't all competing for helpful comment numbers now. ;-)

The block says the photographer found the comment helpful. No more, no less. Did it help the photographer win the Pulitzer Prize, or did it help the photographer make it through the day? No telling. Does it really matter? I try to be helpful in my comments, but there have been the moments where all I could say is Wow!

On the other hand, could we have a check box for "Your comment, didn't help a bit and ruined my otherwise extrodinary day!"?

-alex... with a helpful comment rating of 27 ;-)

LOL. I LOVE that check box. I say, lets do it!
~Heather~...with a helpful comment rating of 217.

ambaker

Google Glass Google Glass

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM

01/16/2003 01:30:53 AM · #5

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

01/15/2003 11:10:33 PM · #6

The Forced Refresh didn't work but clearing the cache via the prefs did it.
Thanks, I've only been using Mozilla a couple of weeks now...

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

01/15/2003 11:08:11 PM · #7

Originally posted by GeneralE:

"Comment Helpful" checks are not sticking for me either.
Windows Me, Mozilla 1.2.1, DSL (I know, everything wrong -- what do you expect from a Mac "expert"?)

Have you tried force-refreshing your pages after you leave your comments? Try changing your cache settings to 'check every page view' or whatever it is in Mozilla, and let me know if that has any effect.

Drew

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

01/15/2003 11:05:22 PM · #8

"Comment Helpful" checks are not sticking for me either.
Windows Me, Mozilla 1.2.1, DSL (I know, everything wrong -- what do you expect from a Mac "expert"?)

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

01/15/2003 04:24:44 PM · #9

If this is to help us get more of an overall profile of the member, how about adding the vote distribution graph to the current total votes cast and mean vote?

Message edited by author 2003-01-15 16:25:31.

Patella

Canon EOS-500D Rebel T1i

01/15/2003 10:52:10 AM · #10

Perhaps I should post this elsewhere... and I almost hesitate to ask...

Any possibility, now that we can link to the comments from our profile (both all those we've given and all we've received), of adding the checkboxes to the list of all those we've given? I fully admit I'm just being lazy -- but it would be a lot easier to go through all of them and pick the ones I found useful as opposed to going back and forth between my different entries.

Only a suggestion, and perhaps one which, once everybody is caught up on their checkbox-marking, wouldn't be as useful.

Sony 16-50mm f/3.5-5.6 E-mount

01/15/2003 10:51:02 AM · #11

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

The check boxes seemed to not save for me either, but I discovered that it the browser was simply loading a cached page for me. Once I either did a refresh or cleared my cache, the check appeared nicely...

This was the case for Heather, too, so I'm thinking that's likely what's going on.

Drew

jmsetzler

Sony Alpha a6000

01/15/2003 10:43:19 AM · #12

Manic

DJI Mini 3 Pro

Kamlan 28mm F1.4 MF for APS-C

01/15/2003 10:40:41 AM · #13

Originally posted by bil99:

Check marks aren't saving here either

I'm currently using moz1.3b and the tickboxes are working fine for me - maybe you should check your javascript settings?

01/15/2003 10:30:15 AM · #14

I wish I could say that I did that, but I didn't. We have tested the system with IE6, NS7, and Mozilla 1.1 and 1.2.1 ... all of those worked for us. bil99, can you maybe give it another shot?

Drew

Kavey

Sigma 18-125mm f/3.5-5.6 DC for Canon

01/15/2003 10:27:00 AM · #15

They are sticking now... thanks Drew.

bil99

Nikon D40X

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

01/14/2003 08:29:07 PM · #16

Originally posted by drewmedia:

Update... comment ratings are now fixed for NS and Mozilla. I'm not going to complain too much, but I will say that those browsers are stupid :)

Drew

Mozilla 1.2.1 thinks you're stupid :P
Check marks aren't saving here either. oh well im not going going to press ya, if you want to discriminate aginst Mozilla and exclude me from giving good hearted people check marks I won't say anything.. hehehe

psychephylax

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

01/14/2003 05:51:52 PM · #17

Hmmm...At first I thought "Wow! This will be interesting"

Then I realized this is going down the wrong street. A la PhotoSig. All the backpatting aside, I'd rather make 4-5 insightful critiques rather than spend the same word count on 200 photos. In the end the 4-5 people's photos I did comment are probably better off than the 200.

This just encourages "status" levels when they are really not necessary.

Swashbuckler

Sony DSC-F717

01/14/2003 05:23:42 PM · #18

Drew, this is one of the best new features of the site! Love it!

Have you ever heard of the comedian Gallagher? (He smashes watermelons)Ever hear his routine about STUPID drivers? If not, note me and I'll explain.

Kavey

Sigma 18-125mm f/3.5-5.6 DC for Canon

01/14/2003 05:00:00 PM · #19

IE6

01/14/2003 04:57:55 PM · #20

Originally posted by Kavey:

I can't seem to get mine to stick...

What browser and version?

Drew

01/14/2003 04:57:32 PM · #21

Hey Avi,

How's the site? ;) I appreciate your comments on the system. Each photographer is going to have his own view of what's 'helpful' to him, and I think that's very healthy. To hear that your photo is great might be helpful to you or it might not.

I personally have decided that the comments don't necessarily have to offer constructive criticism to be helpful, but the commenter just has to appear to have made some effort to understand and appreciate my photo.

I don't like the system you suggested because it exploits modest people and encourages selfish ones, and it asks the commenter to define which of those he is before he comments. If I'm modest about my comments, I won't mark the comment as helpful for obvious reasons. If I think that all of my comments are helpful and mark them as such, I'm putting the photographer in the akward situation of disagreeing with me.

We decided to go with a system that just marked comments as helpful. We're not asking you to define how helpful or even how it was helpful. We're also certainly not asking you to say that a comment wasn't helpful.

If you feel a comment has been helpful to you as a photographer, mark it that way, and thank the commenter. I would not define people who mark all of their 'Wow Great image!' comments as ones abusing the system -- if that's what helps you, so be it :) It's a subjective scale, but it should for the most part affect all users equally.

Drew

Kavey

Sigma 18-125mm f/3.5-5.6 DC for Canon

01/14/2003 04:56:59 PM · #22

I can't seem to get mine to stick...

:(

What am I missing? Tell me and I will slap my head with a suitably painful DOH!

autool

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5 II USM

01/14/2003 04:50:45 PM · #23

jaxomlotus<
Your comment is along the line of what I have ben trying to say all along. I support this idea, thank you.
Autool

jaxomlotus

Sony DCR-PC100

01/14/2003 04:26:58 PM · #24

Drew,

I'm not really a DPC player, but just a suggestion on how this could potentially be abused:

As I'm looking around at ended challenges and what people are clicking off as "helpful comments," for the most part 90% of those i looked at that have checkmarks are just compliments that don't really say anything at all. (i.e. "Wow GREAT image!" got checked off as a helpful comment).

If I understand correctly, the system is designed to reward those who offer something constructive to the photographer, not to reward compliments without serious meaning.

Anyhow, my suggestion (and I understand this won't work for past comments) is to have the commenters click a check box if their comment is considered constructive/helpful by them when first posting their comments.

If the photographer agrees and checks it off, it *then* helps them and adds a rating. If the photographer disagrees it by not checking it off it harms the rating (maybe have a stat of how many overall constructive comments were found helpful vs. how many are still blank in deciding admission to the Critique Club).

And if the commenter doesn't indicate that his/her comment is constructive by leaving the comment checkbox blank, then their stat isn't affected at all, and the photographer doesn't have the option of declaring the comment "helpful."

Anyhow, it's just a thought as I was thinking of something similar for Worth1000 and ran into that dilemma when mulling it over. Keep up the great work, as always.

Message edited by author 2003-01-14 16:28:32.

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