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10/10/2005 09:10:04 AM · #1 |
Wideangle is advanced...is this special effect usage legal? Moving too many pixels? ;^)
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 - Post Processed with Fish Eye lens special effect
Perhaps a poor image to use as an example (processed one needs cropping yet, etc...), but you get the idea.
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10/10/2005 09:27:11 AM · #2 |
This is one that I thnk will need some SC discussion... I'll bring it up.
Update:
The SC is discussing this and we will post the outcome of this discussion back to this thread, hopefully within a day or so.
Message edited by author 2005-10-10 10:03:27.
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10/10/2005 09:34:31 AM · #3 |
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10/10/2005 09:56:57 AM · #4 |
what if you did the fake barrel distortion without that boarder?
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10/10/2005 10:53:55 AM · #5 |
| Please be sure to consider the "Lens Correction" filter in CS2 (Filter > Distort > Lens Correction...). This filter is legal in Advanced Editing challenges as far as I know (to fix chromatic aberration, perspective issues, etc), and by dragging the "Remove Distortion" slider to the left, you can add distortion to an otherwise rectilinear image. |
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10/10/2005 11:33:25 AM · #6 |
| I look forward to hearing how this plays out ... I have an acceptable wide lens to use, but most of those decent wide lenses cost more than Photoshop CS2 ! :) |
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10/10/2005 12:49:30 PM · #7 |
I have to admit this discussion seems a little strange to me. The challenge is to use wide angle glass, as wide as you've got, and the discussion is how to make it look as if your glass is wider than it is. I'm not opposed to this, mind you; if SC says these approaches are legal then go for it I guess, but... it does seem a little strange.
R.
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10/10/2005 01:53:26 PM · #8 |
Robert - You're right, I suppose it is a bit strange to ask about this. Consider it a "what if"... I doubt that I would try this approach myself, but my "wide angle" is only 28mm and this thought crossed my mind (the post-processing enhancement) to increase the appearance of a wider lens.
I also figured, perhaps incorrectly, that other's may consider taking this approach as well - so why not ask the question in advance and let it get mulled over a bit in public? ;^)
Originally posted by bear_music:
I have to admit this discussion seems a little strange to me. The challenge is to use wide angle glass, as wide as you've got, and the discussion is how to make it look as if your glass is wider than it is. I'm not opposed to this, mind you; if SC says these approaches are legal then go for it I guess, but... it does seem a little strange.
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10/10/2005 03:24:49 PM · #9 |
You could just use the spherize filter in photoshop to get this effect. Plus the effect doesn't change the image much at all. If anything, it makes it worse IMO.
I don't see why it would be illegal. You modifying the whole image then just cropping the border out.
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10/10/2005 03:38:26 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by MeThoS:
You could just use the spherize filter in photoshop to get this effect. Plus the effect doesn't change the image much at all. If anything, it makes it worse IMO.
I don't see why it would be illegal. You modifying the whole image then just cropping the border out. |
I'm not the authority here, but there's apparently a "moving of pixels" issue when you do that sort of distortion. It's a huge gray area.
R.
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10/10/2005 03:44:53 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
I have to admit this discussion seems a little strange to me. The challenge is to use wide angle glass, as wide as you've got, and the discussion is how to make it look as if your glass is wider than it is. I'm not opposed to this, mind you; if SC says these approaches are legal then go for it I guess, but... it does seem a little strange.
R. |
Given the number of entries in the color-specific challenges that were created by color shifting the main object in Photoshop, I don't find this strange at all. Probably good that it came up now, rather than later. |
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10/10/2005 03:48:50 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by EddyG:
Please be sure to consider the "Lens Correction" filter in CS2 (Filter > Distort > Lens Correction...). This filter is legal in Advanced Editing challenges as far as I know (to fix chromatic aberration, perspective issues, etc), and by dragging the "Remove Distortion" slider to the left, you can add distortion to an otherwise rectilinear image. |
For us ultra-wide angle challenged people to give the appearance of having used such a lens?
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10/10/2005 04:10:01 PM · #13 |
im pretty sure anything that moves all the pixels is illegal. Quite a few photos have gotten dq'd for 'fishing' or 'de-fishing' I think. I know I've seen it discussed at least.
but its not all about the lens....a 50 mm used correctly can yield a photo that has a wide angle look to it, albeit no distortion but still...Ie a landscape shot at 50 mm where you stop down to get everything in focus could look wide angle. It'll just take some creativity on the part of the people who submit! |
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10/10/2005 04:14:00 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
I have to admit this discussion seems a little strange to me. The challenge is to use wide angle glass, as wide as you've got, and the discussion is how to make it look as if your glass is wider than it is. I'm not opposed to this, mind you; if SC says these approaches are legal then go for it I guess, but... it does seem a little strange.
R. |
The theory is that it needs to look wide to do well in the challenge. If a 50mm is as wide as I have, I shouldn't even bother. |
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10/10/2005 04:24:45 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Originally posted by bear_music:
I have to admit this discussion seems a little strange to me. The challenge is to use wide angle glass, as wide as you've got, and the discussion is how to make it look as if your glass is wider than it is. I'm not opposed to this, mind you; if SC says these approaches are legal then go for it I guess, but... it does seem a little strange.
R. |
The theory is that it needs to look wide to do well in the challenge. If a 50mm is as wide as I have, I shouldn't even bother. |
Yeah, I understand that. The part I think is a little "odd" is the idea of "faking" wide angle just to enter the challenge. Anyway, the best way, by FAR, to increase your angular coverage is to stitch images together; but of course we can't do that...
I'm not really making an issue of this, I was just musing. Feel free to pay me no heed :-)
Robt.
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10/10/2005 04:28:48 PM · #16 |
I forget who, but some famous photographer once said in response to a question about gear/equipment
"your best wide angle lens is taking two steps back" |
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10/10/2005 04:31:44 PM · #17 |
The best definition of a WA lens that I have heard is : A closeup lens that lets you keep the background in focus.
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10/10/2005 04:34:02 PM · #18 |
hehe. well then, you boys strap on a 300mm lens and take a few steps back, and see if you win the challenge. (not that I am going to win, but it is going to take a WIDE angle lens.)
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10/11/2005 11:01:58 AM · #19 |
It seems to me that a wide lens typically seems to show something that the human eye doesn't see in focus ... some of the peripherals can be seen. For example, showing a great deal of the interior of the average size room - a place you can't step back usually because of the walls and such. The brain can be fooled into thinking that this has been accomplished via one of the distortion filters. Obviously the fear on many of our minds is ... "my score will be low because my photo doesn't have this visual effect due to my equpment" ... which is valid since we have all know that people can be quite critical ... It may involve some creativity here to have the wide effect / illusion. I look forward to it ! :)
Message edited by author 2005-10-11 11:03:37.
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10/11/2005 11:50:40 AM · #20 |
seriously?
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
The best definition of a WA lens that I have heard is : A closeup lens that lets you keep the background in focus.
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10/11/2005 12:17:42 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by soup:
seriously?
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
The best definition of a WA lens that I have heard is : A closeup lens that lets you keep the background in focus. |
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Interesting, and all this time I thought it was a lens with an especially large field of view. :-/ |
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10/11/2005 12:52:22 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by soup:
seriously?
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
The best definition of a WA lens that I have heard is : A closeup lens that lets you keep the background in focus. |
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Interesting, and all this time I thought it was a lens with an especially large field of view. :-/ |
The point is that most of the best WA shots have a significant foreground element, that will be quite close to the lens.
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10/11/2005 01:10:35 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
...most of the best WA shots have a significant foreground element, that will be quite close to the lens. |
That's a good way to emphasize a wide angle view in a photo, but certainly doesn't define the lens itself. |
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10/13/2005 08:51:18 PM · #24 |
Was this issue ever resolved by SC? Just curious...
Also, since "cropping" is an integral part of processing, and the challenge reads "...Hint: you should avoid cropping, as this artificially 'zooms in' on your picture", I'm going to assume that entries should pretty much be whatever size they come out of the camera, right? Granted, that will vary based on everyone's equipment limitations and capabilities (and everyone's interpretation of the word "should").
Just wanted to respark this conversation. :-)
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10/13/2005 09:20:35 PM · #25 |
Seems that some people have misunderstood the challenge to mean enter the widest-looking shot you can come up with no matter how that was achieved, and that the widest-looking shots should get the ribbons.
The challenge details, for those who haven't read them yet --
"Technique Challenge: use the wide end of the lens built-in to your camera or the widest lens in your bag while taking your picture this week. Hint: you should avoid cropping, as this artificially "zooms in" on your picture."
I think that making an image look "wider" artificially is not necessary to meet the challenge topic. Indeed, many entries may meet the challenge without looking especially wide-angle. It would be a shame if the voters pass up superior quality images for wider-looking shots.
Disclaimer: I have already entered a shot that, beyond a doubt, meets the challenge topic as stated in the details.
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